Is there such a thing as 100% or close to 100% airflow?

[blackjackel]

The last piece to my puzzle is finding an e-cig that allows 100% or close to 100% airflow. Basically, I don't want to suck the air out of the E-cig, I want it to come freely with little or no effort. I don't want my lungs to be making any effort to get the air out of the e-cig.

Is this possible? with which e-cig? If not, what is the absolute LEAST airflow restrictive e-cig in existence?


Basically I'm looking to replicate the "hookah" experience with E-Cigs, so far:

- I've found e-liquid that has little to no throat hit

- a way to increase smoke output (100% VG), luckily also reduces throat hit

 

[WomanOfHeart]

I'm not quite sure I understand what you mean by "100% airflow." If you want the vapor from your e-cig then you'll have to suck on it at least a little. I don't have to put a lot of effort into vaping. In fact, it's easier than smoking a cigarette.

 

[zadane]

Only way i see that happening is with a fan or something like a vacuum built into the atomizer(more likely a carto)(but you also provide the vacuum by sucking)

 

[blackjackel]

I'm not quite sure I understand what you mean by "100% airflow." If you want the vapor from your e-cig then you'll have to suck on it at least a little. I don't have to put a lot of effort into vaping. In fact, it's easier than smoking a cigarette.

Basically, I want to vape differently than than everyone (I've just realized this), Instead of 5 or 10 second draws.... I want an ENTIRE LUNGFULL of vapor in 5 seconds, and I want it all to come from the E-cig, kind of like how you smoke hukah, you get a LUNGFULL in a 5 second draw....

I just chatted to firefly13 on the forums, and came to the conclusion that this is currently IMPOSSIBLE because ALL AFTERMARKET ATOMIZERS are restrictive on their own, meaning if i were to just suck on a bare cartomizer the airflow would STILL be too restrictive.

Which is Why Ive come up with this little idea:


Its a mod that would encase the entire atomizer inside a chamber, along with the e-juice and cartridge, the chamber would have an opening at the end of it. The opening would be basically just like a cartridge you can suck the vapor out of. Inside the chamber where the atomizer and cart sit, there are adjustible airholes that can increase or decrease the airflow. That way, you can basically breathe in the vapor as easy as you breathe air. That way, you can use any atomizer, and have 100% airflow if you wished (but then you'd get almost not vapor), so its adjustible, if you turn the airflow up it comes at the cost of vapor (less vapor), if you turn the airflow down you get more vapor. So If you turn the airflow up you wouldn't have to take 10 second or 5 second draws, you can take a lungfull of vapor in one go, and the whole lungfull will take like 5 seconds to pull in.

Click the below tiny image to get an idea of what i mean:



This is the only way i can think of to get more airflow out of a stock atomizer, the airholes i drew were HUGE but of course they would be very tiny in reality, and in all likelihood there would only be one of them, i just put them like that to make them easier to see and understand what I Was saying.

The only other alternative is if they made atomizers with larger air holes so the airflow was less restricted, then you wouldn't need the silly chamber thing...

 

[blackjackel]

Here is an improvement on my previous idea, I call it the trinity!

Same idea as before, i think it may be possible to eliminate the airhole completely or possibly keep it, because instead, you have THREE atomizers!

This mod would maximize both airflow AND vapor... also i think your atomizers would last much longer since you're using them less? less stress on each one? not sure.

Here is the drawing:



Of course in actual implementation they would be packed together rather tightly so the total diameter wouldn't be larger than the GGTS...

On second thought, you can make hte 3 seperate cartridge into one piece that feeds all 3 atomizers and also that way you can put more eliquid inside the one cartridge than you can put in 3 seperate ones.

What do you guys think?

 

[WomanOfHeart]

A standard atomizer is around 2.5 Ohms, so that would be 7.5 Ohms. It wouldn't put out much vapor even at 6V. They would probably end up popping almost instantly from watts they'd put out.

 

[blackjackel]

A standard atomizer is around 2.5 Ohms, so that would be 7.5 Ohms. It wouldn't put out much vapor even at 6V. They would probably end up popping almost instantly from watts they'd put out.

You'd have to redesign the electric circuitry, you'd have to figure how to deliver 5 (or so) watts to each atomizer, so the batteries have to output 15 watts in total and split them off amongst the atomizers, you wouldn't feed the atomizers in parallel, of course.

But now that you understand what I originally meant, you admit that getting more airflow is impossible without my idea, right?

 

[VeeDubb65]

Interesting idea, but there are some practical problems here. Even if you could create circuitry to do what you want, it would be completely unusable.

*If you want an actual lungful of vapor you're going to need something that produces MASSIVE amounts of vapor very quickly. Fully exhaled to fully inhaled we're talking about the volume of a basketball.

*Vapor is produced by boiling a liquid.

*That means you'll need the ability to raise ralatively large volumes of liquid from room temp to boiling VERY quickly.

*That means massive heat.

*That means the vapor will be massively hot.

*That means you won't be able inhale it without injury.

*If you produce that much vapor and try to cool it enough to be safe in that kind of time span, much of it will re-condense and you'll just be sucking liquid.

Now, let's say you create circuitry that can boil off that much liquid that quickly, and use low enough nicotine levels that it won't give you a heart attack, and find a way to cool it 'just enough' on the way to your mouth, you'll still be left with two problems.

1. It will be the size of a hooka.
2. It will probably be plugged into the wall.




If all you want is a vape with a lighter draw, you could probably mod an existing e-cig in about 5 minutes. For example, my Boge Leo has really good vapor production, but a VERY tight draw. I happen to be fond of the tight draw, but it's only there because the air holes between the batt and atty are TINY. However, it's made in such a way that I could make the draw holes HUGE in about 90 seconds with my dremel if I was so inclined. Pop in an 801 drip tip and the draw would be about as light as sucking through a 2" long piece of a drinking straw. Plus, no soldering, no crazy circuitry, and it would still fit in your pocket.

 

[blackjackel]

Interesting idea, but there are some practical problems here. Even if you could create circuitry to do what you want, it would be completely unusable.

*If you want an actual lungful of vapor you're going to need something that produces MASSIVE amounts of vapor very quickly. Fully exhaled to fully inhaled we're talking about the volume of a basketball.

*Vapor is produced by boiling a liquid.

*That means you'll need the ability to raise ralatively large volumes of liquid from room temp to boiling VERY quickly.

*That means massive heat.

*That means the vapor will be massively hot.

*That means you won't be able inhale it without injury.

*If you produce that much vapor and try to cool it enough to be safe in that kind of time span, much of it will re-condense and you'll just be sucking liquid.

Now, let's say you create circuitry that can boil off that much liquid that quickly, and use low enough nicotine levels that it won't give you a heart attack, and find a way to cool it 'just enough' on the way to your mouth, you'll still be left with two problems.

1. It will be the size of a hooka.
2. It will probably be plugged into the wall.




If all you want is a vape with a lighter draw, you could probably mod an existing e-cig in about 5 minutes. For example, my Boge Leo has really good vapor production, but a VERY tight draw. I happen to be fond of the tight draw, but it's only there because the air holes between the batt and atty are TINY. However, it's made in such a way that I could make the draw holes HUGE in about 90 seconds with my dremel if I was so inclined. Pop in an 801 drip tip and the draw would be about as light as sucking through a 2" long piece of a drinking straw. Plus, no soldering, no crazy circuitry, and it would still fit in your pocket.

widening the airholes at the battery wouldn't work since I think a BARE atomizer is too restrictive, you would have to widen the hole in the atomizer too.

 

[VeeDubb65]

widening the airholes at the battery wouldn't work since I think a BARE atomizer is too restrictive, you would have to widen the hole in the atomizer too.

I stand corrected. I just checked, and while the atty alone has a much lighter draw, it's nowhere near what's being discussed here.

 

[BigLou]

Airflow was my issue as well and here is what I did:

Used a LR carto with a mega 900 ego battery. I used a small nail to wiggle the two airholes larger at the bottom of the carto.

Used a metal nail file to deepen the four air groves at the top of the battery.

I peeled the back tape off the carto so I could use the cone. I filed down the top of the cone for more airflow.

I also used a stainless steel drip-tip for a wider opening.

Sometimes with certain juice this set-up almost seems to pump vapor out.

 

[JonnyVapΣ]

Think outside the box;
1 12v automotive battery
1 automotive cigarette lighter
Some tubing (likely brass). Diameter just needs to be large enough to fit over the cigarette lighter coil.
Tubing elbow (likely brass)
14ga wire
10a+ switch
Simple juice feed. Maybe just drip directly on the coil as you vape.

The cigarette lighter coil would simply need to be pulsed to keep from burning the juice but a little time, like anything else, you'd get the hang of it.

I'm no good at computer art but think "Proto Pipe" with the configuration.


My buddy and I were just talking about something like this just the other day at lunch. We got a good laugh out of the discussion but thinking about it now...it would work....LOL

 

[blackjackel]

so aside from my proposal,which STOCK e-cig has the lightest draw? a 510? 901? ego?

 

[JonnyVapΣ]

I have an 801 atty on a 510 adapter that has a very loose draw.

 

[benjayman2]

Have your significant other take a long draw on your pv and blow it into your mouth there done

 

[WomanOfHeart]

I have an 801 atty on a 510 adapter that has a very loose draw.

That's what I've been doing lately, too. It also depends on what you're using, too. The draw from a 510 atty on my Chameleon is stiff, but it's loose on my Indulgence. The draw from an 801 on the Chameleon is loose, but on the Indulgence it's a little stiffer.

 

[Kahuna]

what you need is a Wizard Stick. We put non nic juice in it and it was awesome but not an everyday thing because it eats a ton of juice and really does feel heavy on your lungs (unlike a full body hookah draw). As far as atomizers go, a LR901 has the most effortless draw but they all tighten up after a few weeks of use. As a fellow hookah enthusiast, I found no ecig set up will give you the same amount of vapor and hit like a medium alien funnel bowl with classic Tangiers shisha.