Is this still a harm reduction?

[rokyo87]

If a person before smoked 20 tobacco cigarettes a day and switched to vaping and now he/she vape 30+ ml/day of e-liquid. Is this still a harm reduction?

I am asking this because we don't know what inhaling PG and VG will do after some years or decades of inhaling, but many people vaping 30 or more ml per day.

 

[Rixsta]

While there is no absolute proof, the amount of chemicals in cigarettes compared to vaping is massive. I know a lot of vapors that have had scans on their lungs done and they have come back clear.
Harm reduction absolutely, completely safe, I would like to think so, I don't think it's so much PG or VG but more what is in some flavorings.
Personally I feel so much better thanks to vaping and I vape around 50 to 60ml per day

 

[Hitmetwice]

While I understand why you are asking, there are a few things to consider.

Some people have addictive personalities. They tend to do what they like to excess, often to their detriment. If it wasn't the vape it would be the cigs in all likelihood.
So yes! Harm reduction.

Is it best to be excessive in anything we eat, drink or breathe?
No! Of course not. Some will abuse or consume too much of almost anything. That is their choice as they will pay the consequences sooner or later.

Many of us, as we age, begin paying for "the sins of our youth"
we understand that we may have been foolish and had we known better we would not have over done it as much. We are more cautious now.

I agree with the poster above that the wildcard is the food grade flavourings. To minimizes the risks I DIY at around 2-4% flavouring and vape as much as I want.

Is someone who vapes juice with 20% flavouring more at risk than me? Seems a logical assumption but we do not know for sure.

Pretty sure though it is still massively less harmful than consuming tobacco, but we each must make that call for ourselves.
Cheers.

 

[Eskie]

The evidence to date is that vaping is safer than smoking. Of course no one can tell you if 20 to 30 years of vaping is not associated with some health issue, as it has not been around long enough for data to exist. Me, I'd rather vape whatever amount of juice I need to keep from smoking a cigarette so long as I'm not feeling ill from too much nicotine. So yes, I would consider changing from a pack a day of cigarettes to vaping 30 ml a day as harm reduction.

 

[VNeil]

After almost 10 years of vaping, there are no known harmful effects. None.

It is true there are no 40 year studies. It is also true that there are no 40 year studies of long term consumption of green beans. Are you sure there is no link between green beans and the alarming increase in colon cancer?

In fact there are precious few long term studies of anything.

 

[Vandal]

"Tobacco smoke is made up of more than 7,000 chemicals, including over 70 known to cause cancer (carcinogens)."

In light of that, how could vaping not be harm reduction? Even if it turned out that inhaled PG, VG, or some flavoring ingredient caused health issues in the long term, I have to think that would pale in comparison to inhaling 70 known carcinogens.

 

[rokyo87]

While there is no absolute proof, the amount of chemicals in cigarettes compared to vaping is massive. I know a lot of vapors that have had scans on their lungs done and they have come back clear.
Harm reduction absolutely, completely safe, I would like to think so, I don't think it's so much PG or VG but more what is in some flavorings.
Personally I feel so much better thanks to vaping and I vape around 50 to 60ml per day

I am vaping just VG (80%), DW (20%) and NIC (4 mg/ml) so I forgot about flavourings... OK, you are vaping cca 43 - 53 ml/day more than I...

 

[dennism]

I'm a former 2 pad smoker, been vaping for 3 years. I am also 70 years old, so long term effects are of no concern. For the record I enjoy vaping much more than I did smoking and I believe it is less harmful.

 

[Semiretired]

To minimizes the risks I DIY at around 2-4% flavouring and vape as much as I want.

Is someone who vapes juice with 20% flavouring more at risk than me? Seems a logical assumption but we do not know for sure.

I got my flavoring concentration down to 1-2% just for that reason. And I do not vape large volumes of liquid every day either - I adjusted my nic strength, started leaving the mod on the side table or in the car for short trips and just pass sometimes when the first urge hits me.

I did the same thing with cigs to keep me from smoking to much. It is way easier to reduce nic liquid than cigs ever were.

 

[schatz]

Yes ?

 

[Frenchfry1942]

Smoking is massively worse. Still questions about the content of flavorings, but they are, numerically, massively LESS than smoking. Good idea to start a learning program for yourself. You can talk to others in an informed manner.

Vape away!

 

[WillyZee]

if we do find negative health effects from vaping ... the poison will likely be found in the dose.

maybe 30ml per day over 25 years, something will crop up ... where 25 years of 3ml per day might show nothing.

 

[DDDWho]

I smoked cigarettes for 60 years. I quit 3 months ago and started vaping. My wife (a lifelong non-smoker) told me my gray hair when I was smoking had a yellowish tint to it. She now says its a boyish gray again. She says the color in my face is more healthy looking as is my fingernails and I feel better. I'm able to breath more deeply, I don't get tired as easily as before.
The addiction to nicotine is only part of the smoking addiction. Doing something with your hands also comes into play. Cigarettes were my security blanket. Its been a battle to overcome all of the motions and the feeding of nicotine to my brain. Vaping is a cop out for my addictive personality but because of the health issues noticed in and by me I do it.
I think I like vaping better than smoking after these 3 months. The billows of vapor flooding out of my mouth and the great throat hits are very enjoyable.

 

[classwife]

I smoked cigarettes for 60 years. I quit 3 months ago and started vaping.

I am very proud of you !
I didnt' see you before to welcome you...so Welcome to ECF

 

[coolerat]

If a person before smoked 20 tobacco cigarettes a day and switched to vaping and now he/she vape 30+ ml/day of e-liquid. Is this still a harm reduction?

I am asking this because we don't know what inhaling PG and VG will do after some years or decades of inhaling, but many people vaping 30 or more ml per day.

Thats a very light smoker becoming a very heavy vaper. Which I'm sure happens but my observation has been different.

Light smokers seem to find there way to light vaping. Low power high nic style.

Heavy smokers gravitate toward higher power/lower nic/more volume.

For an example a good friend of mine switched to vaping. He started at 30w and quickly found himself in the 50+w camp and blowing though ALOT of juice. I was actually somewhat concerned but since he had been doing 3-4PAD of nasty Res cigs I figgered it was a win and kept my mouth shut. This worked for a year but other people nagging him about vaping that much caused him to quit everything. Which lasted what maybe a month?? Now he back on 3+ packs a day.

I was a heavy smoker in the 2-4 PAD and I'm a nic chaser now. Which means I like power and huge clouds. But I don't need to do it much because I get a massive dose of nic and I'm happy for hours. If I was a habit vaper I'd prolly lower my power. I do 5-10 ML of 6mg a day and am fresh off a clear lung test at the doctor.

 

[Two_Bears]

If a person before smoked 20 tobacco cigarettes a day and switched to vaping and now he/she vape 30+ ml/day of e-liquid. Is this still a harm reduction?

I am asking this because we don't know what inhaling PG and VG will do after some years or decades of inhaling, but many people vaping 30 or more ml per day.

There are not that many that Vapes 30 ml a day average is 5-10 ml. I only vape 3-4 ml a day.

Most of the people vaping large amounts of juicd are one or two categories..

Sub ohming very low resistance

Cloud chaser.

You cs. Cut back on Juice consumption in two ways.

1. Go to a higher nicotine level so you satisfy tge craving with less puffs.

2. Switch to a higher resistance coil.

There are about ,7000 chemicals in a cigarette. There are four in eJuice.

The Royal College of Physicians in the UK tested vaping and cigarettes, and determined vaping was 95% safer than smoking.

 

[r055co]

Yes it is, I'll take the Royal Collage of Physicians word on it. For what do they know, they've only been around since 1518

 

[JMarca]

If a person before smoked 20 tobacco cigarettes a day and switched to vaping and now he/she vape 30+ ml/day of e-liquid. Is this still a harm reduction?

I am asking this because we don't know what inhaling PG and VG will do after some years or decades of inhaling, but many people vaping 30 or more ml per day.

The one thing you're missing here is the damaging element of smoke itself.

It's an apples to oranges comparison, the vape is less harmful by leaps and bounds due to the very nature of the method of consumption. The smoke (combustion) is where all the deadly chemicals and cancer causing agents flurish when you light up, vaping doesn't do any of that.

You could vape a gallon of ejuice a day and it would still be less harmful than smoking.

 

[bwh79]

There are about ,7000 chemicals in a cigarette. There are four in eJuice.

Right, so C3H8O2 (PG), C3H8O3 (VG), C10H14N2 (nicotine), and, I forget, what's the chemical formula for "natural & artificial flavors" again? Calling it four "ingredients" is sketchy already. Saying there's just four "chemicals" in it is downright false unless you're using something like unsweetened menthol, for example.

 

[r055co]

The one thing you're missing here is the damaging element of smoke itself.

It's an apples to oranges comparison, the vape is less harmful by leaps and bounds due to the very nature of the method of consumption. The smoke (combustion) is where all the deadly chemicals and cancer causing agents flurish when you light up, vaping doesn't do any of that.

You could vape a gallon of ejuice a day and it would still be less harmful than smoking.

Actually they've still been unable to detect any harmful elements in 2nd hand vape, none. From all the actual legitimate peer reviewed studies have shown that it's no more harmful than just breathing air.

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