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All this information is posted on CASAA and also on the many threads in this forum. It's been repeated and explained over and over again. I don't have to prove anything, sorry!
Contact Vocalek, she has all the dates and information.
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I can't seem to find anything regarding the PV being approved by any court to be advertised as a harm reduction technology as you mentioned in your earlier post .. a link or further details would be appreciated ..
Can't do your research for you, check CASAA and try to find the court's decision of 2009. Again, if you contact Vocalek she'll tell you better than I can everything that was entailed and the whole legal history of ecigs.
Well, if ya mean disclaimers like Chantrix... watch out for suicidal thinking.... so far I haven't run into any vapers who've had a litany of possibly life-threatening or major medical side effects. Of course, if the companies can't come up with any negative-health-impact lists then the ads should just be banned.... right?
Don't have a link, but the argument was over whether e-cigs should be regulated as drugs or as tobacco products - not sure who asked for the hearing... I believe it was a reaction to FDA attempting to restrict e-cigs in some way.
I think Uncle Willie is right, and that any claims of harm-reduction would entail a medical claim.
This is how I think things stand if I remember correctly...
The concept of a "reduced harm tobacco product" is mentioned in the FSPTCA.
And congress has instructed the FDA to define the procedures for applying for status as a reduced harm tobacco product.
The FDA has not provided those guidelines yet, so there is not yet any such thing.
I believe Vocalek has previously provided some information on what the FDA is hinting at doing.
And supposedly it sounds like they are probably planning to make it nearly the same process as becoming approved as a drug.
If this is wrong, I hope someone corrects me.
This is how I think things stand if I remember correctly...
The concept of a "reduced harm tobacco product" is mentioned in the FSPTCA.
And congress has instructed the FDA to define the procedures for applying for status as a reduced harm tobacco product.
The FDA has not provided those guidelines yet, so there is not yet any such thing.
I believe Vocalek has previously provided some information on what the FDA is hinting at doing.
And supposedly it sounds like they are probably planning to make it nearly the same process as becoming approved as a drug.
If this is wrong, I hope someone corrects me.
Okay, I'm poking my nose in here because my second or third e-cig was a Fin. I like their marketing and their ethics. I think BT should take a look at how they do things. Since they are in Wal-Mart nationwide, I would think they are doing okay. I even recommend their product for first-timers and tell them to talk to me later if they feel a need to move-up. I haven't seen any tv ads, but I am hearing radio spots more and more - I seem to recall the main message being "smoke where you want".
maybe i worded that wrong, 3rd shifter that just woke up deciding to post on the forums, so smart huh lol
Cigarette smoking was always glamorized by the tobacco companies. They are up to their old tricks again. What worked in the 1940's, 1950's & 1960's will work again in 2013. In my opinion, this advertising is both good and bad - good as it may build awareness, bad as it may attract unwanted scrutiny. I'm thinking surely people in government will take notice and say "Look, they're at it again. We need to clamp down on this." Maybe that's what the tobacco companies want? I don't know.
I said it before, and I'll say it again, there is a need for Blu, Njoy, and Fin in the vaping world. It gets people interested in the idea, and if they take to it, soon enough they're discovering eGos and all sorts of other wonderful things that are out there. If it wasn't for Blu, or the other over-the-counter cigalikes, a lot of people wouldn't be here.
Do you know any business that puts its product or those who use it in a bad light? What would be the point of spending for advertising? Most use a well recognized spokesperson or some other gimmick attention-getter like sex or humor. To slam BT for doing what every other business does really shows prejudice... which I can understand... which is not going to make anything said about them credible. I don't recal the Fling ad which says something but do recall the Njoy and Blu. Both were obviously directed at smokers. "Take your freedom back" and both demeaning and basically telling an ANTZ to stuff it.... think non-smokers would pickup on either message?
In the worst case scenario, I can see vaping becoming its own thing, entirely separate from smoking and all thingsassociated, including nicotine. There is no way to outlaw the sale of pv's or e liquid, provided it is zero nic. I believe that for those people wishing to quit smoking, vapingis still a viable alternative... Personally I feel that the biggest hurdles to overcome when quitting are the long term psychological ones. Human beings are creatures of habits, so when you have spent the bigger portion of your life smoking like clockwork, its learning to rewrite those patterns that ultimately lead us to failure. In comparison to that, nicotine withdrawal was pretty easy. Ecigs have allowed me to keep my same smoking patterns, and I believe that is the sole reason why it is working for me. If it were about the nic fixes, I would've succeeded with the gum or the patch, one of the dozen times I've tried them.
I would agree with you IF those brands also offered an upgrade to a better performing model. I've personally spoken with too many people who tried one of those brands who concluded, due to their poor performance, that vaping was just another scam that doesn't work. They just went back to smoking. Those of us who search further and make it to ECF are the exception. For everyone one person who is smart enough to look further and find a better model PV, there are easily 20+ who just go back to analogs.
If there is no nicotine, then the effectiveness of people stopping smoking by vaping will nose dive to near zero. I've vaped 0 nic before and if that is all that was available when I was trying to quit smoking, I would have concluded it was no better than using one of those fake cigarettes that you use to suck in air. It would kill the whole concept.
Idk... I'm just talking from personal experience, but nicotine withdrawal is the easy part out quitting, imho. It's out of your system in 72 hours. After you get past that three day window, all of the discomforts associated with quitting are psychological. I'm sure you have tried to do cold turkey, and so have I... But having the knowledge that I was no longer chemically addicted to nicotine was no reassurance to me! And slapping on a patch didn't do a thing to settle me either. So clearly, its wasn't a chemical dependency causing my cravings. It was that little alarm in my head saying "ok time to smoke!" and looking forward to smoke breaks, and being in social situations where other people are smoking.. all of it would trigger my memory and make me want to indulge. And its that feeling of having to fight myself and having to muster up all this discipline all the time... With my ecig I am free from all of that. And I do not feel that its simply because I'm getting the nicotine... It's because my brain "feels" that I am smoking and is satisfied.
Personally, I think the power of nicotine addiction is WAY overtrumped and its a conspiracy. It's propaganda to promote both BT and BP. I'm not denying that its nearly impossible to quit, but I really believe it is not the chemical dependency that binds us. If it were, than traditional NRT therapy would have a much better success rate.
I know it sounds really dumb but I truly feel that what we are really addicted to, is feeling something fill our lungs, and watching come out. I can not tell you how many times I have been smoking a cig, looking at it, and saying to myself, "Man this sucks. It doesn't even taste good, and it smells even worse. Why am I doing this, I hate it. I can't believe I paid for this, man I'm dumb". But if I'm addicted to the feeling of my lungs being filled and watching something come out.. WHAT CHOICES DID I HAVE? Until the inception of ecigs on the market, there have been no simulated smoking devices, or anything of the like. It's truly a revolutionary idea. And I would love to see a double blind experiment with a test group using zero nic. I'd bet money that you would see successful quits resulting from nicotine and non nicotine groups.
Just my two cents. Hanging up my thinking cap for the day now.
Personally, I think the power of nicotine addiction is WAY overtrumped and its a conspiracy. It's propaganda to promote both BT and BP. I'm not denying that its nearly impossible to quit, but I really believe it is not the chemical dependency that binds us. If it were, than traditional NRT therapy would have a much better success rate.
I know it sounds really dumb but I truly feel that what we are really addicted to, is feeling something fill our lungs, and watching come out. I can not tell you how many times I have been smoking a cig, looking at it, and saying to myself, "Man this sucks. It doesn't even taste good, and it smells even worse. Why am I doing this, I hate it. I can't believe I paid for this, man I'm dumb". But if I'm addicted to the feeling of my lungs being filled and watching something come out.. WHAT CHOICES DID I HAVE? Until the inception of ecigs on the market, there have been no simulated smoking devices, or anything of the like. It's truly a revolutionary idea. And I would love to see a double blind experiment with a test group using zero nic. I'd bet money that you would see successful quits resulting from nicotine and non nicotine groups.
Just my two cents. Hanging up my thinking cap for the day now.
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