Is the ecig industry changing its message?

[kristin]

I just tried two of them (Bold plain and menthol) this week.
Edit: check out this thread
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...-king-question-about-cheaper-disposables.html

The njoy King is actually incredibly "cigarette-like." I know a vaper who still smokes who says they are the most "cigarette-like" he's ever tried - and he owns mods.

There really is a market for these types of e-cigs. The vast majority of smokers who express interest in e-cigs want something that "looks, tastes and feels" as much like their brand as possible. If all they had to choose from was eGo 1100 mah batteries with tanks or drip tips, they'd never try it. It's like talking someone who has never even tried seafood into eating caviar. Maybe in another 5 years, when more people are seen with the non-cig styles to the point that they are "normal," then the cig-a-like market may decline. But for now, the cig-a-likes are what brings, I would guess, 98% of the smokers into the e-cig market.

 

[SharonMM]

Am I reading this right? You don't think vaping is an alternative or that nic should be added to juice? For me, it is extremely an alternative to smoking and if there was no nic, I probably would be still smoking. I really avoid anything negative but did you smoke alot before you vaped? If so, how much? Just curious since you don't think there should be nic in it. Thanks. Just asking

No... I wish things could stay as they are, but the FDA has already announced its intention to regulate ecigs, juice etc etc. A lot of people speculate (i stress speculate) that when these deeming rules are finally handed down, it will be to the detriment of the "little guys" and the only options that will be available to us afterwards will be the ones that are owned by BT... cigalikes... Which a lot of us here do not like them.

So I was just trying to look ahead, and think of what could be done to prevent this. I thought if you omit the nic, it would be outside of the FDAs domain because they could neither claim it as a drug, drug delivery device, smoking cessation aid, etc etc. Would take care of a lot of headaches in one fell swoop.

It's probably wishful thinking on my end, but I don't want to give up my tanks of delicious vapes. But it really seems like that's the direction this is heading.

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[MiamiMom63]

Ahh, okay. I honestly think the first thing they will do is make it impossible for us to order liquid nicotine for DIY. And then we will only be able to buy the eliquid from FDA regulated and approved labs and be taxed, etc. there would be only set available flavors from the labs that are licensed. Yea, it will royally stink cause I love my DIY flavors. It's so sad

 

[patkin]

In addition.. I think BT will push for only pre-filled carts and possibly pre-filled tanks. I hope they loose.

 

[wv2win]

Ahh, okay. I honestly think the first thing they will do is make it impossible for us to order liquid nicotine for DIY. And then we will only be able to buy the eliquid from FDA regulated and approved labs and be taxed, etc. there would be only set available flavors from the labs that are licensed. Yea, it will royally stink cause I love my DIY flavors. It's so sad

It will more likely be only prefilled sealed cartridges (the worst way to vape is a cartridge) in tobacco flavor only and low nic. It would be end of vaping IMO.

 

[MiamiMom63]

I was hoping more along the lines of a lab like Halo and we could still use our mods. I don't see how they can keep the mods from being made and such.

 

[wv2win]

I was hoping more along the lines of a lab like Halo and we could still use our mods. I don't see how they can keep the mods from being made and such.

What good is a mod if all you have to put on it is a sealed cart, which you probably won't because it will be of a propriety size and with low nic, tobacco only eliquid in it??

 

[Ken_A]

This kind of regulation is NOT going to end my vaping. I know how to extract nicotine from tobacco. PG, VG and flavorings are all readily available and will still be legal. Same with wick and wire. Kangers and vivi novas can all be rebuilt. I just purchased a rebuildable atty that replaces a cartomizer in a tank. We have RBAs... Even if the SALE of these becomes illegal, what you have will probably last you for years.

But we still need to fight restrictive legislation.

 

[MiamiMom63]

What good is a mod if all you have to put on it is a sealed cart, which you probably won't because it will be of a propriety size and with low nic, tobacco only eliquid in it??

Why wouldn't they allow a bottle of eliquid purchased from their approved vendor for us to use in a tank or whatever? Sorry, I hope I'm not hijacking this thread or whatever.

 

[patkin]

Competition.... they want everything to be proprietary. You like their juice.. you only get it already in a cart/tank to be used with their equipment. We already have that with some cigalikes. That's what BT will push for to compete with each other as well as the Chinese and to push mom and pop out of the picture along with hardware/mod mfgrs. In other words they want to corner the market... push everyone currently in it out and just compete with each other as they always have. I sincerely hope I'm wrong or that, if I'm not, they fail.

 

[chrisw21]

The FDA banned the sale of all flavored tobacco exception for menthol. NJOY is likely anticipating the regulation of e liquid so following suit with current laws for tobacco.

Since when?

Since September 22, 2009... see link in post above.

Copied from the article:

According to the act

…a cigarette or any of its component parts (including the tobacco, filter, or paper) shall not contain, as a constituent (including a smoke constituent) or additive, an artificial or natural flavor (other than tobacco or menthol) or an herb or spice, including strawberry, grape, orange, clove, cinnamon, pineapple, vanilla, coconut, licorice, cocoa, chocolate, cherry, or coffee, that is a characterizing flavor of the tobacco product or tobacco smoke



That's funny??? I can go in to ANY gas station/retail/tobacco store (basically ANY store) and buy any of these flavor cigars??? Why??? Is it because they specify "cigarettes"?? Oh, and yes, I can also still get flavored "components" of cigarettes. Flavored wraps (paper) are EVERYWHERE!!!! What gives??

 

[DC2]

Why wouldn't they allow a bottle of eliquid purchased from their approved vendor for us to use in a tank or whatever? Sorry, I hope I'm not hijacking this thread or whatever.

Because that would be allowing a HUGE and unnecessary cut in their profits.

 

[DC2]

I sincerely hope I'm wrong or that, if I'm not, they fail.

They may not succeed, but if they are not pushing for exactly that then they are idiots.
And they are most definitely not idiots.

The only thing that can possibly keep them from succeeding is us.
And they only way we can do that is to fight back.

When those deeming regulations are proposed, we'll find out where we stand for real.
And then we'll see what each of us is prepared to do about it.

 

[stevegmu]

I was hoping more along the lines of a lab like Halo and we could still use our mods. I don't see how they can keep the mods from being made and such.

Halo and Johnson Creek will survive/thrive with whatever passes. The only things I see passing within a decade are requiring licensing, a regulated lab and 'tax stamp.' Either company shouldn't have a problem fulfilling those requirements. Guy in his basement mixing up juice in beakers, not so much.

 

[wv2win]

Why wouldn't they allow a bottle of eliquid purchased from their approved vendor for us to use in a tank or whatever? Sorry, I hope I'm not hijacking this thread or whatever.

There will be no "approved vender" for bottled eliquid. The new legislation will require all eliquid to be in "sealed carts only". We are not responsible enough to handle something as dangerous as eliquid in a bottle.

Why do you think we need everyone to join and support CASAA? We need to fight this battle now if there is any hope.

 

[wv2win]

Halo and Johnson Creek will survive/thrive with whatever passes. The only things I see passing within a decade are requiring licensing, a regulated lab and 'tax stamp.' Either company shouldn't have a problem fulfilling those requirements. Guy in his basement mixing up juice in beakers, not so much.

In sealed carts only and the carts will be proprietary.

 

[kristin]

Copied from the article:

According to the act

…a cigarette or any of its component parts (including the tobacco, filter, or paper) shall not contain, as a constituent (including a smoke constituent) or additive, an artificial or natural flavor (other than tobacco or menthol) or an herb or spice, including strawberry, grape, orange, clove, cinnamon, pineapple, vanilla, coconut, licorice, cocoa, chocolate, cherry, or coffee, that is a characterizing flavor of the tobacco product or tobacco smoke



That's funny??? I can go in to ANY gas station/retail/tobacco store (basically ANY store) and buy any of these flavor cigars??? Why??? Is it because they specify "cigarettes"?? Oh, and yes, I can also still get flavored "components" of cigarettes. Flavored wraps (paper) are EVERYWHERE!!!! What gives??

Yes, the law specifies cigarettes. The stores get around some laws with papers and such when sold without the tobacco for RYO.

The ANTZ claimed flavored cigarettes were targeting and enticing children. However, the fact is that flavored cigarettes weren't particularly popular with youth. They were often more expensive than regular cigarettes and youth preferred flavors like "Marlboro" "Newport" and "Camel" to the fancy flavors. The flavored cigarettes made up something like 2% of the total cigarette sales. But clove cigarettes were popular and those were mostly sold from companies overseas. So, the big US companies agreed to the ban of flavored cigarettes, since it wasn't going to hurt their bottom line at all and would kill the clove competition. Then the ANTZ were able to claim the ban as a big win against "Big Tobacco" trying to hook kids, even though the companies stopped making them long before the ban was ever passed. The cigar lobby (and the fact that rich politician like their cigars) kept cigars exempt. Plus, the most popular flavored cigarette - menthol - was also exempted, so as not to cut into the bottom line for the companies. It was all a complete farce.

The irony is that cigarettes are already "flavored" with things like chocolate (one of those "deadly" additives the ANTZ like to shout about), but the law just prevents companies actually calling it something like a "chocolate" cigarette.

But some true ANTZ are still trying to get menthol cigarettes and ALL flavored tobacco products banned - even though there is no evidence that they actually hook kids. (More irony - far more smokers today started smoking way before there were "candy-flavored cigarettes," but the ANTZ like to ignore that fact.)

 

[patkin]

Very informative... thanks Kristin. Yes, I found out while researching for the cause of my high blood pressure, that my cigarette brand was flavored with licorice (the real stuff which raises BP.) I don't know how much weight that carries with the other BP-raising effects of smoking but since I quite them my BP has dropped to normal/healthy levels.

Edit: its OT but it might help someone to know:
Cigarettes (with licorice) and with meds (calcium channel blocker)
BP 160/95 pulse 95
Just vaping (no licorice) and with meds (same ones but lower dose)
BP 104/70 pulse 80
I'm 69 so to be considered.