Is using "a Kick" really necessary for mechanical mods

[Donovan69]

I just got my kick this week and I love it. Mind you I am not a vaping guru like others that frequent these threads. I am a "big" vape chaser. But I think that comes with me being a noob. I started vaping on January 27th 2013. I stopped the 2pd habit I had for 30 years. I quit smoking by accident. Never had any intention of quitting cigarettes. I tried out my buddies 650mah ego with a ce4 clearomizer and thought wow that tastes awesome! I bought my ego kit the next day. So when I quit smoking 4 days later I was amazed! I needless to say got excited. I wanted to know everything about vaping. I watched about 8 hours a day on you tube. I got to be a really big fan of Grimm Green and Pbusardo. So when I saw their reaction to this kick device I wanted one. I was gonna get a silver bullet to kick but opted out for a chromed up bolt. (cheaper) I am on a vape budget! I have spent far too much this far but now am intrigued by this world of RBAs and SS mech. To get to the point. I am enjoying the vape I get from my kicked bolt. My back up vapes are ego twists, I have 4 of those. I had a batt go dead the first week I was vaping that won't happen again. Sorry for being all over the place but we all have to blaze our own trail! Best!

 

[niczgreat]

Ive read the kick shuts down the mod at 3,2 V,but when you test the batt power its still 3.4 out of the mod,you lose 10 to 15% of power that could be going too vaping instead of running a kick,i have a smok telescope with no kick and im content,also have a vamo to check for ohms.

You can buy a Vamo for the price of a kick.

It would be great to hear from the experts, my perception is that testing a battery under load and testing a battery on a multimeter are different.

Depending on the resistance of the Atomizer and the size of the battery it could test at 3.4 on a Multimeter but under load while vaping bring the amount left on battery down to 3.2V and trigger the kick. Especially if the battery were a low Mah battery.

Do you have a link to the post and how this was done.

 

[benjabin]

It is not a constant voltage

So does that mean voltage drops as battery life drops just like it would in a regulated device?

 

[D4rk50ul]

It's decent because you get the best of both worlds but I wouldn't use one. Most batteries operate around 3.7v for the majority of their charge so just use an ohm that works well with that voltage. You also can't really get the benefits of SLR coils on RBAs with a kick or vv/vw device.

 

[eHuman]

Battery under active load vs at rest will give 2 different readings. I couldn't imagine why anyone would want to run their battery down to 3.2 volts and below. It effectively shorten it's lifespan of the battery. APVs with PWM shut down at the same place as the kick and it is no accident. It is an engineered safety feature designed to protect and extend the life or your battery.

 

[Unforeseen]

Moved to APV Discussion

 

[Adam the Aussie]

Love my kicks, but I don't do the rebuildable thing. To those saying mechanical mods are only for those who use rebuildables, I think you'll find mechanical mods were around a long time before rebuildable atomisers.

 

[Trick]

Love my kicks, but I don't do the rebuildable thing. To those saying mechanical mods are only for those who use rebuildables, I think you'll find mechanical mods were around a long time before rebuildable atomisers.

It's a good point, and that's where I would use a Kick, and where I think they shine. For RBAs I think you're better off getting a coil that works alone at battery voltages, but if you're thinking about using clearos, carto tanks, or something else without that kind of flexibility, a Kick is a great thing to have.

 

[niczgreat]

Love my kicks, but I don't do the rebuildable thing. To those saying mechanical mods are only for those who use rebuildables, I think you'll find mechanical mods were around a long time before rebuildable atomisers.

Sure mechanical Mods were around before rebuildable atomizers.

The Dinosaur was around before the caveman


The niche for a mechanical mod is if you need durability or are doing xtreme vaping and don't want to
worry about circuit boards getting in the way.

Aside from that, a mechanical mod by it's nature will reflect the output of the battery exactly and unless it's a regulated mechanical mod it will start out at 4.2v or 8.4v and the vape temperature will go down as the battery is used up. This is the reason why the Mechanical Mod is inferior.

The Rba adds a new dimension. With VV devices you choose an atomizer Ohm and juice combo than adjust your Voltage for optimum vape. In addition the voltage will remain solid and unchanging. And if it's Kicke or Vw Mod than it will adjust the voltage based on the Atomizer Ohms which may change over the life of the Atty.

With a RBA you build an Atomizer that will optimize taste according to the output of your Mechanical Mod
It's just two ways to get to the same destination.

The Mechanical Mod will always be around for the niche that likes/needs them.

By the way, they still make buggy whips. Just not alot.

 

[Trick]

Seriously, "the mechanic mod is inferior?"

You may be putting just a bit too much value in your own opinion.

 

[D4rk50ul]

Mechanical mods have and always will be the backbone of vaping. For those who came in to vaping while vv existed I could see the confusion, but the benefits are matched by downfalls. For every piece you add to a mod you also add a potential failure.

Batteries are designed to run the majority of their cycle at 3.6-3.7v. All you gotta do is use a coil that matches those voltages. RBAs just made mech mods out of this world, they didn't make them popular. It really is not hard to get great performance from a mech mod without using an RBA.

Edit: Provari's are great I own one but they are not on par with a high end mechanical mod with an RBA. Fan boys make them sound like they can cook you breakfast in the morning. Before you proclaim something make sure you have actually tried everything so you speak from first hand experience.

 

[thebong24]

Imo I only use kick on 1.8 to higher ohms in a mechanical mods... lower than 1.8 I just use regular battery for full power ...

sent from mars

 

[USinchains]

It's unbelievable what a freakin contest this has all become. Some of you need fresh air and a new hobby.

 

[D4rk50ul]

It's unbelievable what a freakin contest this has all become. Some of you need fresh air and a new hobby.

Thanks for your contribution. In this case a kick is necessary.

 

[Kemosabe]

A kick in a mechanical is like a set of football cleats with the metal studs replaced with silicone rubber.

The whole point of a mechanical mod besides being pretty indestructible is the ability to push amp/watt limits.

personally, i bought a mech mod for the flat DC signal. im not a huge vapor snob, but i can tell the difference in PWM from my provari to the vamo. i wanted another mod- something closer to the provari, without spending the provari dough. mech mod is the answer. the only thing the mech mod didnt have was the regulation. enter the kick. my problem was solved. so anyone who is looking to eliminate PWM and still have a consistent vape, a kicked mech mod would be the way to go IMO.

oh and i do use a genny on the mech mod. its not SLR though. maybe its my wicking, maybe its just my personal preference, but i just dont enjoy the SLR vape. for me its too hot and not enough flavor.

 

[Fury83]

Thanks for that, I'll look up the Holocron.

Myvaporstore seems to be the cheapest for them. 9.95 regularly but they are sometimes on sale for less.

Kick's are useful depending on what you are looking to do. If you don't know yet, which is very possible if you are newer to vaping or mech's, a shortstop is a good way to add a little safety while you figure it out. Maybe you like a kicked mech at 8 watts, maybe a 1.5ohm coil at 3.7 is good for you or maybe a sub 1ohm coil. Hell, maybe you like vivi novas on a kicked mech mod, as long as it works for you.

Personally, I like a 1.5-2.0 ohm coil genny on my mechs/hybrid, I just stick a shortstop in because it can't hurt.

 

[USinchains]

Thanks for your contribution. In this case a kick is necessary.

I wasn't referring to you D4rk, I already contributed a few times. What surprises me is that every day someone gets mad and defensive. They're just ecigs people, no one is telling you what you need to do!

I took a hiatus for a while, and return to see adults arguing about (debating?) ecigs. I guess that's the interwebz for you. Vape and be happy!

 

[Telescope Neil]

oh and i do use a genny on the mech mod. its not SLR though. maybe its my wicking, maybe its just my personal preference, but i just dont enjoy the SLR vape. for me its too hot and not enough flavor.

SLR RBA/Genesis may be too hot for some, but not enough flavor? It's probably just your build. Gennies have been my go to vape since I found out about them. They're really great on a mech, kicked or not, although i highly prefer it unkicked, since i have my VV devices for it. They just give out the most flavorful taste I ever had. Even the nicotine hit itself, Had to go 6-9mg from 18mg because the TH was too strong at 18, and with 1 drag I had a nic fix for the next 15 minutes. I missed the ability to chain vape so i went down with my nicotine.

All in all, RBAs on an unkicked mech is my go to setup, but it's really not for everyone. But I still recommend it to everyone who hasn't tried it yet. A kick has lost its value for me, since there are cheap VV/VW mods that do the same thing, maybe even better.

 

[Kemosabe]

i really gotta agree with you on the effectiveness of the nic from gennys. my 18mg blew me away when i first got into gennys (and i had already begun puffing 24mg regularly at that point). i can now effectively become very satisfied with 12mg. a big plus for me. thank you Genesis!

SLR RBA/Genesis may be too hot for some, but not enough flavor? It's probably just your build. Gennies have been my go to vape since I found out about them. They're really great on a mech, kicked or not, although i highly prefer it unkicked, since i have my VV devices for it. They just give out the most flavorful taste I ever had. Even the nicotine hit itself, Had to go 6-9mg from 18mg because the TH was too strong at 18, and with 1 drag I had a nic fix for the next 15 minutes. I missed the ability to chain vape so i went down with my nicotine.

All in all, RBAs on an unkicked mech is my go to setup, but it's really not for everyone. But I still recommend it to everyone who hasn't tried it yet. A kick has lost its value for me, since there are cheap VV/VW mods that do the same thing, maybe even better.

 

[ukeman]

As long as there are folks touting the wow factor of SLR genesis, you will get vapers wanting to try it; that's how i started with SLR.
I will tell you all that I've run SLR that was shorting too many times when i first got into it; I'd just tilt the juice up to the hot spot (usually the top wrap of the coil) and carry on... and the vapor was harsh and hot!... eventually you go; "this is not right" or the coil will pop... but once its set up right sub 1.0 is just the best vape I've ever had.

SLR RBA/Genesis may be too hot for some, but not enough flavor? It's probably just your build. Gennies have been my go to vape since I found out about them. They're really great on a mech, kicked or not, although i highly prefer it unkicked, since i have my VV devices for it. They just give out the most flavorful taste I ever had. Even the nicotine hit itself, Had to go 6-9mg from 18mg because the TH was too strong at 18, and with 1 drag I had a nic fix for the next 15 minutes. I missed the ability to chain vape so i went down with my nicotine.

All in all, RBAs on an unkicked mech is my go to setup, but it's really not for everyone. But I still recommend it to everyone who hasn't tried it yet. A kick has lost its value for me, since there are cheap VV/VW mods that do the same thing, maybe even better.