Is vaping more dangerous than we think?

[VNeil]

Nobody is getting sick. There are millions of vapers around the world who have been vaping for years. We are a gigantic uncontrolled experiment. Where are reports of doctors treating illnesses caused by using ecigs? My prediction is, if there are problems, it will be related to high daily ml's, or high heat, and/or flavorings that irritate some people. I reduced the percent of flavor in my DIY to address some irritation.

And further it defies reasoning to believe that the medical field is not being trolled by anti-vape activists, tax hungry govt beaurocrats and lawyers looking for some shred of evidence of real harm. Their best efforts are limited to junk science looking for trace amounts of supposedly evil compounds

 

[HotRodCarts]

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We know too much of direct direct exposure to the sun can be harmful so sunscreens are around for those who like them.

Have you ever read the ingredients in that sunscreen you use?

 

[Aspired4Fire]

I feel like the many people are too cocky about the healthiness of vaping. There are many harmful chemicals in the flavoring of the liquids. Sure, the ingredients may be "safe for consumption", but not necessarily for inhalation. I.e., popcorn lung, etc..

At this time I still support vaping as a crutch to quit smoking, but I worry about those who have picked up vaping recreationally.

We are all adults here and we all chose to smoke at our own risk. I'm not happy that I smoke but I do believe Vaping is a much safer alternative. The whole "popcorn lung" thing is still completely unproven. However, it's still a cause for concern. I personally do not mind if the government wants to regulate Vaping for our own good. It's proven that "addicts" cannot make a racional decision based on there addiction so let's put it in to someone's hands we can trust like a highly respected medical institute to determine if it is safe for us or not. No conspiracy jargon here

 

[Alien Traveler]

Have you ever read the ingredients in that sunscreen you use?

Sunscreen - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[zapped]

My last three physicals disagree with your assumptions.

 

[NeXtDimensionVaping]

We are all adults here and we all chose to smoke at our own risk. I'm not happy that I smoke but I do believe Vaping is a much safer alternative. The whole "popcorn lung" thing is still completely unproven. However, it's still a cause for concern. I personally do not mind if the government wants to regulate Vaping for our own good. It's proven that "addicts" cannot make a racional decision based on there addiction so let's put it in to someone's hands we can trust like a highly respected medical institute to determine if it is safe for us or not. No conspiracy jargon here

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[Susan~S]

I personally do not mind if the government wants to regulate Vaping for our own good.

Well then I guess you will be happy with this: FDA's leaked guidance for PMTAs confirm deeming reg would ban >99.9% of nicotine vapor products

It's proven that "addicts" cannot make a racional decision based on there addiction

Nicotine is not the "bad guy". Truth About Vaping - Episode 2 "The Nicotine Misconception"

No conspiracy jargon here

I highly recommend you start educating yourself. The Truth About Vaping - Episode 1 "Why They Hate Us"

 

[skoony]

We are all adults here and we all chose to smoke at our own risk. I'm not happy that I smoke but I do believe Vaping is a much safer alternative. The whole "popcorn lung" thing is still completely unproven. However, it's still a cause for concern. I personally do not mind if the government wants to regulate Vaping for our own good. It's proven that "addicts" cannot make a racional decision based on there addiction so let's put it in to someone's hands we can trust like a highly respected medical institute to determine if it is safe for us or not. No conspiracy jargon here

I am only speaking for myself but i would ask you not to demean others by implying that dependence on nicotine
is debilitating to the point of requiring any intervention by anyone for any reason. I for one do not live under
the bridge with those "other people". I work,vote and,pay my taxes.
Regards
Mike

 

[Aspired4Fire]

The two posts above just prove my point even more... And yes any addictive substance is dibilitating. If you cannot say NO to it that it has dibilitating you from escaping it. It's amazing how y'all get so offended by this stuff. The heck with it I'm not gonna lose any sleep if the food and drug administration bans something the deem harmful. I'm sorry to say but I trust the FDA and their research over anybody ON THE INTERNET. now everyone stop getting so dang childish about all this stuff. It's absolutely ridiculous and kinda amusing. And if you take me saying that addictive substance needs to be controlled demeaning. Well sorry but that's your personal issue. Just because you work vote and pay taxes doesn't mean your addiction to nicotine is diminished! It is what it is. First rule of thimb. In order to beat addiction, you must admit you have an addiction. And the attitude in all this proves All I need to know

 

[Aspired4Fire]

Well then I guess you will be happy with this: FDA's leaked guidance for PMTAs confirm deeming reg would ban >99.9% of nicotine vapor products

Nicotine is not the "bad guy". Truth About Vaping - Episode 2 "The Nicotine Misconception"

I highly recommend you start educating yourself. The Truth About Vaping - Episode 1 "Why They Hate Us"

Hahahaha why they hate us. Lmao!!!! Poor us!

 

[sofarsogood]

I didn't start vaping to explore flavors. I'm trying to avoid that. In the last DIY batch I reduced the percent of flavor. There must be tried and true flavors that can be used alone that happen to be free of all the suspect chemicals and are tolerable to vape. What are they? It's annoying that flavors dominate the discussion. Hmm, are the flavors more addictive than the nicotine?

 

[skoony]

The two posts above just prove my point even more... And yes any addictive substance is dibilitating. If you cannot say NO to it that it has dibilitating you from escaping it. It's amazing how y'all get so offended by this stuff. The heck with it I'm not gonna lose any sleep if the food and drug administration bans something the deem harmful. I'm sorry to say but I trust the FDA and their research over anybody ON THE INTERNET. now everyone stop getting so dang childish about all this stuff. It's absolutely ridiculous and kinda amusing. And if you take me saying that addictive substance needs to be controlled demeaning. Well sorry but that's your personal issue. Just because you work vote and pay taxes doesn't mean your addiction to nicotine is diminished! It is what it is. First rule of thimb. In order to beat addiction, you must admit you have an addiction. And the attitude in all this proves All I need to know

What is exactly the debilitation you speak of ? Do you know the difference between addiction and habit?
Do you know why something is considered an addiction and why something is not? Does nicotine addiction
cause skin ulcers? Does nicotine addiction cause your teeth to fall out. Does nicotine alter your perception
of reality. Does nicotine cause mental and physical deterioration. Does nicotine addiction compel one
to harm his fellow man? Does nicotine addiction cause such disruption in ones life as to not be able
to hold a job or maintain ones family life?
I am asking you because you seem to know so much about the subject.

Regards
Mike

 

[Alien Traveler]

Hmm, are the flavors more addictive than the nicotine?

It looks like they are. At least for some vapers.

 

[Aspired4Fire]

What is exactly the debilitation you speak of ? Do you know the difference between addiction and habit?
Do you know why something is considered an addiction and why something is not? Does nicotine addiction
cause skin ulcers? Does nicotine addiction cause your teeth to fall out. Does nicotine alter your perception
of reality. Does nicotine cause mental and physical deterioration. Does nicotine addiction compel one
to harm his fellow man? Does nicotine addiction cause such disruption in ones life as to not be able
to hold a job or maintain ones family life?
I am asking you because you seem to know so much about the subject.

Regards
Mike

Just because nicotine doesn't cause you as much bodily harm as ......, .... etc. doesn't mean that it's not an addiction my friend. How much money do people mindlessly spend on Vape/tobacco products and think to themselves " I wanna quit" but never do. That's dibilitating and slowly breaking you down whether you want to believe that or not. If you uncontrollably Injest or inhale something everyday with the intention to want to quit but cannot. That's addiction. And maybe your different than everybody else who knows. yoi don't have to have a full chemical dependable to be addicted. Do you get all these physical Symptoms you speak of when your addicted to gambling? Of course not but that doesn't mean your not addicted especially if your spending all your money on it and can't pay your bills.

Addiction meaning:
"devotion to, dedication to, obsession with, infatuation with, passion for, love of, mania for, enslavement to"

 

[VNeil]

Just because nicotine doesn't cause you as much bodily harm as ......, .... etc. doesn't mean that it's not an addiction my friend. How much money do people mindlessly spend on Vape/tobacco products and think to themselves " I wanna quit" but never do. That's dibilitating and slowly breaking you down whether you want to believe that or not. If you uncontrollably Injest or inhale something everyday with the intention to want to quit but cannot. That's addiction. And maybe your different than everybody else who knows. yoi don't have to have a full chemical dependable to be addicted. Do you get all these physical Symptoms you speak of when your addicted to gambling? Of course not but that doesn't mean your not addicted especially if your spending all your money on it and can't pay your bills.

Addiction meaning:
"devotion to, dedication to, obsession with, infatuation with, passion for, love of, mania for, enslavement to"

The classic definition of addiction requires substantial harm to ones self or others. Compare to caffeine, another basically harmless habit. Some people spend more feeding their Keurig machines than I do on vaping.

And you are confusing hobbyists with addicts. I personally have no great desire to quit vaping. I DIY and some day I may modify my recipes to avoid diketones. I often vape unflavored. I also believe that vaping has health benefits and it is very possible that it is net healthier than not. The main thing driving my expenditures is fear of the Deeming consequences. The only thing I buy now that is not pure stockpiling is the odd flavor I run out of or an occasional gallon of VG.

 

[VNeil]

Just because nicotine doesn't cause you as much bodily harm as ......, .... etc. doesn't mean that it's not an addiction my friend. How much money do people mindlessly spend on Vape/tobacco products and think to themselves " I wanna quit" but never do. That's dibilitating and slowly breaking you down whether you want to believe that or not. If you uncontrollably Injest or inhale something everyday with the intention to want to quit but cannot. That's addiction. And maybe your different than everybody else who knows. yoi don't have to have a full chemical dependable to be addicted. Do you get all these physical Symptoms you speak of when your addicted to gambling? Of course not but that doesn't mean your not addicted especially if your spending all your money on it and can't pay your bills.

Addiction meaning:
"devotion to, dedication to, obsession with, infatuation with, passion for, love of, mania for, enslavement to"

When someone posts a definition of addiction that includes passion of and love of, my Troll Meter gets pegged. That's the final desperate attempt when the argument is lost

 

[skoony]

Just because nicotine doesn't cause you as much bodily harm as ......, .... etc. doesn't mean that it's not an addiction my friend. How much money do people mindlessly spend on Vape/tobacco products and think to themselves " I wanna quit" but never do. That's dibilitating and slowly breaking you down whether you want to believe that or not. If you uncontrollably Injest or inhale something everyday with the intention to want to quit but cannot. That's addiction. And maybe your different than everybody else who knows. yoi don't have to have a full chemical dependable to be addicted. Do you get all these physical Symptoms you speak of when your addicted to gambling? Of course not but that doesn't mean your not addicted especially if your spending all your money on it and can't pay your bills.

Addiction meaning:
"devotion to, dedication to, obsession with, infatuation with, passion for, love of, mania for, enslavement to"

Ditto what @VNeil said.
Addiction is not a term I would use in the context of vaping. The only reason some one would use it in
reference to a fellow vaper is to use it as some sort of moral trump card. Sorry to say this isn't a game
of spades.
:2c:
Regards
mike
note; red highlights are some screw up I did.

 

[Topwater Elvis]

Doodz, it's about the Epic high VG cloudz of buttery, creamy, custard, cereal, cookie, cake, candy, fruity, dessert ish, beverage ish, milky, cinnamony,,, monstrous tasty cloudz bro.

*Sarcasm off*

Everything in moderation.
Almost anything in excess may cause harm.

No one truthful says vaping is safe, healthy or harmless.
Safer / less harmful than inhaling the known toxins & carcinogens in tobacco smoke, as a method of tobacco harm reduction, yes.

Worried about flavorings,,, don't use them, unflavored actually has a taste many find quite pleasing.
Worried about the hot button witch hunt chemicals, better start researching the other 1030 ish chemicals used in the manufacturing flavorings.
If vaping exceeds your personal risk assessment comfort zone, stop vaping.

 

[sparkky1]

The two posts above just prove my point even more... And yes any addictive substance is dibilitating. If you cannot say NO to it that it has dibilitating you from escaping it. It's amazing how y'all get so offended by this stuff. The heck with it I'm not gonna lose any sleep if the food and drug administration bans something the deem harmful. I'm sorry to say but I trust the FDA and their research over anybody ON THE INTERNET. now everyone stop getting so dang childish about all this stuff. It's absolutely ridiculous and kinda amusing. And if you take me saying that addictive substance needs to be controlled demeaning. Well sorry but that's your personal issue. Just because you work vote and pay taxes doesn't mean your addiction to nicotine is diminished! It is what it is. First rule of thimb. In order to beat addiction, you must admit you have an addiction. And the attitude in all this proves All I need to know

Could you elaborate on what it is you think the FDA "might" ban and what type of "research" that you trust are you referring to ?

 

[sparkky1]

Doodz, it's about the Epic high VG cloudz of buttery, creamy, custard, cereal, cookie, cake, candy, fruity, dessert ish, beverage ish, milky, cinnamony,,, monstrous tasty cloudz bro.

*Sarcasm off*

Everything in moderation.
Almost anything in excess may cause harm.

No one truthful says vaping is safe, healthy or harmless.
Safer / less harmful than inhaling the known toxins & carcinogens in tobacco smoke, as a method of tobacco harm reduction, yes.

Worried about flavorings,,, don't use them, unflavored actually has a taste many find quite pleasing.
Worried about the hot button witch hunt chemicals, better start researching the other 1030 ish chemicals used in the manufacturing flavorings.
If vaping exceeds your personal risk assessment comfort zone, stop vaping.

Is it just me or are we going back to the 60's mentality of "I believe nicotine isn't addictive" and "cigarettes are safe" what do people actually believe artificial flavoring is made up of "magical pg", shouldn't we still be thinking risk reduction from smokes rather than risk elimination ? the best part is if you take out said "toxic" compound and substitute it for another does that make it less harmful and if it does how much less is it ?