Excellent! If all vapors thought this way there would be far less problems.
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Excellent! If all vapors thought this way there would be far less problems.
Earlier in this thread someone claimed that E-cigs are exempt from indoor smoking bans.
While vendors, manufacturers and individuals may have that 'perception' and claim it in their advertising- it is really pushing the limits to claim "I can do this anywhere". There is no law that says we 'can'.
Yes, we know it's not smoke. Yes, we know there's waaay more toxins in smoke. AND Yes we can vape in a manner so as not to draw attention to ourselves. Maybe being polite rather than combatitive or claiming a legal right that does not really exist might just assist in giving the public the best possible view of vaping.
Personally it really ticks me off to read about vapers who will tell the owner of an establishment "I can do this here - and imply you can't stop me"
They sure as bloody heck can tell you what you can and cannot do in their place of business. Blowing vape in someone's face..... beyond rude. AND there are people who are sensitive to a variety of things... for me it's the delightful perfumes and colognes some seem to believe need to applied in mass amounts.
Anyway - there are many changes coming. Showing a level of respect for others and their breathing space might be helpful in furthering the 'cause'.
30 years of smoking
Vaporized by my ScrewDriver!
While vendors, manufacturers and individuals may have that 'perception' and claim it in their advertising- it is really pushing the limits to claim "I can do this anywhere". There is no law that says we 'can'.
Yes, we know it's not smoke. Yes, we know there's waaay more toxins in smoke. AND Yes we can vape in a manner so as not to draw attention to ourselves. Maybe being polite rather than combatitive or claiming a legal right that does not really exist might just assist in giving the public the best possible view of vaping.
Personally it really ticks me off to read about vapers who will tell the owner of an establishment "I can do this here - and imply you can't stop me"
They sure as bloody heck can tell you what you can and cannot do in their place of business. Blowing vape in someone's face..... beyond rude. AND there are people who are sensitive to a variety of things... for me it's the delightful perfumes and colognes some seem to believe need to applied in mass amounts.
Anyway - there are many changes coming. Showing a level of respect for others and their breathing space might be helpful in furthering the 'cause'.
30 years of smoking
Vaporized by my ScrewDriver!
Alternative to smoking, for me.
But! There is no such thing as a place to smoke in NJ besides your house, your car, and outside with smokers.
Personally, I don't want to vape with smokers. I don't want to be sent outside to the smoking section.
I also haven't had anyone tell me not to, but the places I go, I know the owners, and they know what I'm using. Plus its only been a week.
And yet there is no law stating that you can't. An establishment can refuse service and goods to whom ever they want. No argument there. What if it's not a service and goods establishment? What if I wanted to vape while waiting in line at the Post Office where "smoking" in a gov't building is prohibited? One's not legal anymore, the other to new for a legal opinion or legislation. While smoking/vaping is not a right, vaping hasn't been deemed a privilege either, because is has not been sanctioned as something that can be taken away as smoking has. Smoking was never a right either, but an allowed privilege that could be rescinded by the majority (so to speak). While you may feel ethically and morally bound by tobacco usage laws, legally, aside from private business owners wishes, you are not bound by tobacco laws - yet.
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By your logic, if I wish to dress like Hitler while floating on an inner tube and fish for trout, I first have to see if there is a law which specifically allows it? Is there a law which specifially states that a child is allowed to play with Crayons? I'm sorry, but that is the most backward thinking idea I've heard since universal healthcare.
Look, if there is no specific law banning it, then it isn't banned. Simple as that. If you are in an establishment not owned by you, the owner of said establishment reserves the right to impliment any rules in addition to any laws (ie. No shoes, no shirt, no service). If they ask us to stop vaping or get out, then they are within their right. If we vape and they say it's ok, then .......n it, it's ok! So long as their are no laws stating otherwise. Laws don't tell us what we can do. They tell us what we cannot.
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Yup, but thats why its important for us to speak with owners, managers, etc with respect, and where possible, in advance.
I've been vaping my Janty Stick all over. When someone approaches with attitude and nostrils flaring...I simply explain that I am an asthmatic and that the JS is a portable nebulizer. This usually turns the heat down.
The owner or he who rules in there place has the right to set there own rules .
I always ask first which usually becomes a short course .vaping 101
After that i have not had a problem
Most people are curious about p/v's,and have questions because they have friends or relatives on analogs and want to see them quit or at least do something less toxic
I'm completely with you. I just don't get it at all.
If e-cigarettes don't get banned completely in the near future, then we might be able to start tearing down these barriers. But I contend that now is not the time for this type of fight. Not when the very existence of e-cigarettes in on the line. Being antagonistic and militant is not going to win us any favor points with anyone.
And besides, why are we even arguing about vaping in retail stores? Seriously? You can't refrain from a nic fix until you finish your browsing/purchasing and get outside? Really?
I wonder if I could just carry around a vial of my wife's albuterol nebulizer solution and pretend that's what's in my Personal Vaporizer? Then if anybody asks, just show the medication and say, "It helps me breath."
Yes! I think the Janty Stick has a more "clinical" appearance.
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You probably could, but I really think its silly for us to be hiding this. There is nothing wrong with vaping, we should just be honest about it, and talk about it. In a non-confrontational, friendly tone.
Think about what you are doing when trying to pass off your PV as a medical device to help you correct a medical problem. You are lying. Now go ahead and squawk about the FDA and all those others spreading mis-information about vaping. No difference AFAIK. Tell the truth, try to reason. If it don't work, move on, but don't lie.
I don't think it's wise to vape in public.
After all the vapor is visible and people are going to think your smoking something.
It's better to be discreet, invisible, until this whole FDA stuff blows over.
Mind you. i was vaping in switzerland on outside terraces...and people were staring at me as if i were an Alien.
I do not like to attract attention.
After all the vapor is visible and people are going to think your smoking something.
It's better to be discreet, invisible, until this whole FDA stuff blows over.
Mind you. i was vaping in switzerland on outside terraces...and people were staring at me as if i were an Alien.
I do not like to attract attention.
That's a very good point and I don't think it would ever get to that point for me. I have, though, wondered if it could double as a nebulizer in a pinch such as a power outage.
Then maybe you shouldn't vape in public..... but hiding? That makes no sense to me.
Being quiet, in my experience, is never the solution. Bringing attention to vaping is great.... make it positive attention. Talk about how great you feel, the fact that its not smoke, flavors, whatever.
If you don't feel comfortable doing that, then sure, vape only in private. I can't do that (I work in Manhattan.). So far, about 10 smokers want to switch, a few non-smokers want to buy them for husbands/wives, and the anti-smoking people are in full support.
Like i said most people are curious about these P/V and most of them
Because they have friends and or relatives who are hooked on analogs
and would like to see them do something better for there health
So most people ask a lot of questions .Which i try to answer
and i do point a lot of them to this forum.
Since here is where i got my questions answered
Actually I HAVE vaped in line at the Post Office, and at the bank, and in church, and at the grocery store, and the line at a fast food establishment. Never a complaint - ever.
I vape - hold it - and exhale little if any vapor. I am polite, discrete and 'keep my vape to myself'. No clouds of anything to be confused with smoke - not putting any 'unknowns' into anyone else's breathing space.
At the bank - the cashier asked about more info as she's a smoker.
At the Post Office- no one said a word.
At the grocery store - no comment from employees/management.
At the pharmacy.... same as PO and grocery store.
At church (my one trip this year) no one even noticed.
My perception is that it is attitude as much as action. I consider it a 'priviledge'... Hitler comments or not - to grab a quick vape indoors.
I see it as a 'right' - yes I believe it's ok .... but that is not the same as being formally 'exempt' from any restriction.
ahhh yes - and we're back to Hitler aren't we.
Well so be it.
There are many 'rights' that can be taken away if one chooses to be beligerent, obnoxious, or just plain inconsiderate while exercising them.
I'd love to think there will be a time when it actually is 'permitted' - as in specifically clear that it is ok, allowed and fine - to vape anywhere....
and realize that a lack of respect for others will throw us outside in the rain with the burning ones - standing upwind from their toxic fumes.
I didn't realize being polite and respectful was backwards - nor that because there's no law saying I can't do something it is automatically ok.
Wow could I play with that logic....
30 years of smoking....
Vaporized by my ScrewDriver!
I vape - hold it - and exhale little if any vapor. I am polite, discrete and 'keep my vape to myself'. No clouds of anything to be confused with smoke - not putting any 'unknowns' into anyone else's breathing space.
At the bank - the cashier asked about more info as she's a smoker.
At the Post Office- no one said a word.
At the grocery store - no comment from employees/management.
At the pharmacy.... same as PO and grocery store.
At church (my one trip this year) no one even noticed.
My perception is that it is attitude as much as action. I consider it a 'priviledge'... Hitler comments or not - to grab a quick vape indoors.
I see it as a 'right' - yes I believe it's ok .... but that is not the same as being formally 'exempt' from any restriction.
ahhh yes - and we're back to Hitler aren't we.
Well so be it.
There are many 'rights' that can be taken away if one chooses to be beligerent, obnoxious, or just plain inconsiderate while exercising them.
I'd love to think there will be a time when it actually is 'permitted' - as in specifically clear that it is ok, allowed and fine - to vape anywhere....
and realize that a lack of respect for others will throw us outside in the rain with the burning ones - standing upwind from their toxic fumes.
I didn't realize being polite and respectful was backwards - nor that because there's no law saying I can't do something it is automatically ok.
Wow could I play with that logic....
30 years of smoking....
Vaporized by my ScrewDriver!
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i am for educating people about vaping however . . . . last night I was in Maggiano's an italian restaurant and i chose to vape at my table in between courses. HowEver i also choose to cover the glowing l.e.d. with my hand and blow the vapor downward at my table. Sometimes i'd rather avoid being asked, Or rather avoid the possibility of being asked to not do that in there establishment. Others at my table had to get up and go outside to smoke.(i used to be one of them). I on the other hand wanted to stay seated. So I stealth vape. I guess out of site out of mind. I wasn't looking for attention and wanted to enjoy my vape at my table. If I'm vaping somewhere that i would like to keep vaping i usually am discreet about it cause you never know especially in a restaurant
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