I am going to create one post. I don't mean to offend anyone with all the advice, but I'm too tired, too cranky, and done trying to explain all this over again. I'm also too damn tired to go and multiple quote anything. I'm sorry.
There have been some good tips, but here is where I'm at. I have had this problem - correction - WE have had this problem from the beginning. We read, closed our mouths and read some more. By now, I think everyone knows that we have had our share of GGTSs, Penelopes, Odysseus, and lord knows we could play chess with iAtty vs Ithaka. The care given to these have been top quality..... Ithaka changed.
The leak progressed, we continued to read, we posted. It can't leak. All of a sudden, we both felt like we were "rookie GG users" all over again. We would scratch our heads, look at each other, get aggravated. I would sit up until 4AM, building and rebuilding. Playing with different configurations. Single, Dual, parallel, cross, etc. Of course the problem is that you can't tell immediately if it will leak. There's no way. It could be 5 minutes, it could be 5 hours. I wish I had taken more photos along the way. But I posted one earlier in this thread. I have included a couple photos below of the ONLY solution that seems will work. The ONLY one that I have in my arsenal of parts. Yes. Bruce is sending me some 17x1 orings. Frankly yes, I hope it works. Because if it does, I can certainly go purchase a 50 pack of that size.
BUT... The quality is different with Ithaka. I'm sorry, but it is. We can't be the only ones. Actually if I remember others even recently posted (I know who, but am not throwing anyone under a bus) regarding this mysterious random acts of moisture affect. Was it a small series that was run that has this problem? Maybe SN won't help because the CNC was run for a certain number with a slight variance to measurement? But then they are sent to engraver and mixed up? I don't know. BUT... the Ithaka is a thinner material. Imeo you can say that it's more expensive because you're removing more metal...but. I can see on one hand you being right. On the other, the less the material the cheaper the price. You know I'm not complaining about price. We have 8. I can hold in my hands right now the weight and feel the walls of the penelope, iatty, etc. It's a heavier walled atomizer.
There is one GG loyal vaper that uses Odysseus. They swear by the Ody. And believe me, the weight (both in grams AND solid contraction) helps me understand why. I know part of the goal here was to reduce the weight so we made it thinner. Another part was to increase an extra .5ml of juice. Fighting for a little extra here or there WILL cut down the end result. It's either that or it becomes taller.
I'm beginning to feel that with the thinner ss, the variance in depth of the oring slot can be passed a little too easy. It's less forgiving. I've worked in a factory before I went to work in Systems and Networks. I know that there is a degree of variance allowed in rubber, plastic, and other soft material. There is LESS forgiving of variance on harder material such as metal. Why does one ithaka leak, dribble, spit, or droll and another one doesn't, I don't know.
I believe those that say they DO NOT leak. But believe us when we say ours do. We don't create stories here. I will wait for the 17x1 oring. And please don't tell me it's a preference if some want 16x1 and others want 17x1. That tells me some want leaks and others don't. A "preference" is some want satin brushed, and others want polished shiny.
The first picture: The Ithaka. It's 1.5mm thick. Obviously too thick. But I'm NOT buying 3 different sizes and guessing which oring will fit. It's still a 1mm thickness.
The second picture: My oring collection. I have EVERY size oring you mention for all of your products Imeo that I use. I see I will have to add a collection of about 4 orings that JGG uses that I don't have. I've tried everything in that box. I have yet ANOTHER box that is fractions instead of mm. I have already taken more tries at guessing and I am guessed out. I hope the 17x1 resolves this problem.
Imeo - Jojo and I are tired. This has been mentioned before. We took a break from ECF for a little bit and did NOT go trolling through older posts to see if there was a solution. We didn't hunt it down. But we also have mentioned this a few times. For a long time, before we took a break, you stated that it's impossible to leak. There was no way. This can't leak. Do you understand where it got tiring to repeat it over and over? The oring solution you gave was last week. I PMd Bruce and am expecting it. But how many weeks and months went by before we got this solution. And to be honest, it's not a solution until is solves OUR issue. If it helps somebody else, great. But if it doesn't help us, then we have lots of dirty laundry or expensive paper weights.
