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[MoDmAnDaN]

Its fried juice. Especially if you are only running a single 1.8 coil.

Not to question you on this, but actually I am!
But what does running a single coil as apposed to a dual have to do with burning or frying juice have to do with it?

I'm not being sarcastic, I'm really asking! I have not run dual coils in mine yet and you got me wondering if it really makes the experience that different? Sounds like, by what you're saying, they would last longer?

I'm a tad worried about duals because it would... 1st, shorten battery and 2nd, burn through juice faster. I'm having a hard time justifying it. I tend to buy more "gourmet" juice and that can get expensive! Know what I mean? Lol

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[Aal_]

It seems it is the first time you rebuild. In that case you are now testing your juice to the limit.

 

[blackwater]

Not to question you on this, but actually I am!
But what does running a single coil as apposed to a dual have to do with burning or frying juice have to do with it?

I'm not being sarcastic, I'm really asking! I have not run dual coils in mine yet and you got me wondering if it really makes the experience that different? Sounds like, by what you're saying, they would last longer?

I'm a tad worried about duals because it would... 1st, shorten battery and 2nd, burn through juice faster. I'm having a hard time justifying it. I tend to buy more "gourmet" juice and that can get expensive! Know what I mean? Lol

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It's a hotter vape for sure. It's oodles of vapor though and I like it for a couple tanks then switch back to a cooler vape.
I find it gunks up just a quick as a single coil I gotta say. But yeah it's burnt juicy for sure.

 

[Darkreign]

Not to question you on this, but actually I am!
But what does running a single coil as apposed to a dual have to do with burning or frying juice have to do with it?

I'm not being sarcastic, I'm really asking! I have not run dual coils in mine yet and you got me wondering if it really makes the experience that different? Sounds like, by what you're saying, they would last longer?

I'm a tad worried about duals because it would... 1st, shorten battery and 2nd, burn through juice faster. I'm having a hard time justifying it. I tend to buy more "gourmet" juice and that can get expensive! Know what I mean? Lol

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A 1.8 single coil simply cant get hot enough to burn the silica wick unless he is using excess of 20 watts, and even then I am skeptical. The only other thing capable of "frying" is the juice.

If you were running dual 1.8 you might see some discoloration of the silica (not taking into account the burned juice) but thats because in dual you would effectively halve the ohms. (2 x 1.8 = .9 ohms). But even then,, as long as the wick is wet, it wont burn. I run cotton yarn in mine and I KNOW it has a lower burning point than silica.

I run duals in everything I have. The flavor is enhanced substantially with lower ohms. If you want to save battery and juice consumption, never try it and you wont know what you are missing.

 

[MoDmAnDaN]

I run duals in everything I have. The flavor is enhanced substantially with lower ohms. If you want to save battery and juice consumption, never try it and you wont know what you are missing.

Ok, now I understand why you said that. I typically run a single 1.2 ohm, but have considered running dual 1.5. Before I switched to my Ithakas, I used (for a short time) to use 1.5ohm dual coil carto and I know what you mean about flavor!

I also am waiting for an order of 3mm cotton wicking to show up, been anxious to try that instead of silica. Do you find that it wicks faster? Once in a while I'll get a burned (semi dry) hit from silica and I'd hate to replace the cotton if it burns that fast.

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[jlipson]

I'm running on an eVic at around 6-7 watts so no way it's burnt wick. $$$ is not a huge issue I want max flavour/vapour; figured whatever I'm spending it's not as much as I was smoking. Hell I'm willing to pay more for an (apparently) safer alternative that I enjoy more! The second the GG lands I'm winding up a dual coil build and letting it rip ...

 

[Darkreign]

Ok, now I understand why you said that. I typically run a single 1.2 ohm, but have considered running dual 1.5. Before I switched to my Ithakas, I used (for a short time) to use 1.5ohm dual coil carto and I know what you mean about flavor!

I also am waiting for an order of 3mm cotton wicking to show up, been anxious to try that instead of silica. Do you find that it wicks faster? Once in a while I'll get a burned (semi dry) hit from silica and I'd hate to replace the cotton if it burns that fast.

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I just use the Sugar and Cream yarn from Wally World. It wicks better than anything I have tried and even forgetting to open my juice control of the Ithaka, I have never burned it. I can taste when it is drying out so I know to either refill or open more. I left Silica for a few reasons.

1. I didn't like the taste.
2. Time it takes to receive from mail order.
3. Requires burning before use (but I boil my yarn so I guess thats a wash)
4. Possible silica fibers being inhaled.
5. could never get my coils perfectly tight, always either too tight restricting wicking or too loose and getting burnt taste.
The cotton actually swells to fill any gaps in my coils.
6. And I can buy several YEARS worth of the yarn for the same price as shipping for the silica.

For me it was a no-brainer.

 

[jlipson]

I just use the Sugar and Cream yarn from Wally World. It wicks better than anything I have tried and even forgetting to open my juice control of the Ithaka, I have never burned it. I can taste when it is drying out so I know to either refill or open more. I left Silica for a few reasons.

1. I didn't like the taste.
2. Time it takes to receive from mail order.
3. Requires burning before use (but I boil my yarn so I guess thats a wash)
4. Possible silica fibers being inhaled.
5. could never get my coils perfectly tight, always either too tight restricting wicking or too loose and getting burnt taste.
The cotton actually swells to fill any gaps in my coils.
6. And I can buy several YEARS worth of the yarn for the same price as shipping for the silica.

For me it was a no-brainer.

You know I tried the cotton a few weeks back and it was just awful. I grabbed some 'natural' cotton rope from a hardware store, boiled it and jeez was it nasty. I'd love to be able to use cotton for many of the reasons you mentioned; easy to acquire, cheap, plentiful etc. But man did it taste awful like wet socks ha!

 

[Darkreign]

How did you prep it? I usually boil for 20 minutes and then air dry before use. Even natural cotton goes through some chemical processing before it gets to the consumer.

 

[jlipson]

Yes I boiled and dried it before building. I'll keep trying different cotton solutions, a ball of yarn here, some cheesecloth there. Would love to find one that works ...

 

[Kataphraktos]

Yankee, sorry if I missed it, long conversation...

Do you have any of the SS windows for the Ithaka? Do these also leak? I have one Ithaka, purchased from CoV from the latest batch, and I get no leaks with either clear or SS window. I would get leaks out of the bottom because I was overtightening the rebuildable section into the knurled base, to the point that I stripped the o-ring at the bottom of the rebuildable part. Since I stopped doing this, works without problems. Also, Ithaka had unreliable juice flow when I overtightened, works perfectly since I stopped making that mistake.

I only ask about the SS because I see some people damaging their clear windows by overtightening them. I imagine this cannot happen with the SS, so perhaps this could indicate whether damage to the clear windows from overtightening is the cause.

I honestly don't have a problem with thinner walls. It's lighter. What I'm trying to say is the thinner walls seem to indicate to me that if you machine out a slot, it seems that the tolerance is not as tight. The oring "option" thing I don't think you and I will agree on. Honestly, I don't understand why the need to give an option for oring. If a 17x1 fits, and guarantees leaks to stop, then we use a 17x1 oring. If Ithaka went out to test with some people, I can't believe after a little time some juice wouldn't show for anyone. I guess my point here is if my mechanic says I need a 16x1 oring, then a 16x1 oring will be what I go and get. He won't tell me "Well, you can use a 17x1 if you prefer, because we left a gap there on purpose for your liking." You could tell all of us that it's a 10x1 and you know what? We'd have to believe you. Of course, I'd love to be a fly on the wall watching all of us stretch out a 10x1 at the windows.

Honestly I'm not going to keep beating the oring subject. I've voiced my opinions on it. You mentioned to me the oring 17x1 in post #6062. But if you look at the date of that post, it was exactly 2 weeks and 2 days ago. I PMd Bruce to include some per your suggestion. I just am waiting now. Believe me, if the 17x1 solves this problem, I will HAPPILY go to my oring supplier and order 100 of this size.

I will admit this much. I probably should have done a search on the thread for orings and seen this. I never said you didn't SAY it until 2 weeks ago. I said that's when you said it to ME. I took a break of ECF for a few weeks after another issue that I don't feel the need to mention. When I came back, I didn't read all posts. I just started reading again.

Imeo, you know what I have, you know what I write. You know that I jump in to help out where I can because I've made my own mistakes. Sure, there are those that jump in more, that have been around longer than I, that have been around since rev 1 of your TS, but I do what I can when I can. Do you honestly believe inside you that I'd mention these concerns without cause? I use your products DAILY.

Maybe I just need to take another break. What I am saying is getting taken out of context and my points are being missed.

 

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[MoDmAnDaN]

I'm sorry to be asking so many questions...but, I just received the cotton wick in the mail today....geez looks like just white cotton yarn to me. Probably could have purchased a whole ream of it at Wally world for what I paid for 15' of it on E-bay, oh well lessons learn and all.

But on to my question...is there any good videos out there for how to setup the Ithaka using cotton yarn and such? Can't seem to find any. I know I can't pre-wrap the coil around it and dry burn, so I'm curious how to build the coil without the wick and then feed it through.

Sorry to sound like a newb here, but when it comes to Ithaka....I am!!

 

[gtbb]

I'm sorry to be asking so many questions...but, I just received the cotton wick in the mail today....geez looks like just white cotton yarn to me. Probably could have purchased a whole ream of it at Wally world for what I paid for 15' of it on E-bay, oh well lessons learn and all.

But on to my question...is there any good videos out there for how to setup the Ithaka using cotton yarn and such? Can't seem to find any. I know I can't pre-wrap the coil around it and dry burn, so I'm curious how to build the coil without the wick and then feed it through.

Sorry to sound like a newb here, but when it comes to Ithaka....I am!!

Nothing wrong with your question Dan. You need to use an object like a syringe/paper clip held with the wick while wrapping. You have to find the correct size object then remove after wrapping.Just make sure you don't choke the wick too tight.

 

[yankeebobo]

I just got caught up with some posts. First off, I can't address all individually. I'm sorry for this. This week has been a build up and today, while everyone was celebrating, it was just an average day. Yes, JGGs arrived, but I'll leave that aside for now.
I received my replacement 17x1 orings - They looked the same. I measured them and saw 16. I measured, and re-measured, and measured again. Scratched my head and wondered how putting those orings could be any worse than I had before. So I installed the "17x1" on top and on base. left 16x1 on window.

- Some points I remember reading. I use ss window. I don't do plastic either (I know it was asked and I know Jojo answered same way).
- I have swapped out parts among the Ithakas I use.
- I don't lube my orings - never have and never had a problem. I do refuse to have the "oring grow into" the size it needs to fill. (sorry - I copied someone's words here)
- Leaks from top or bottom, from both, but NOT from windows that I recall. So I left 16s there.
- I don't have "official ithaka replacement orings" but have the sizes I need to rebuild the ithaka all day long. (according to oring guide in GG forum)
- I can go days without any juice, then I can go days without being able to STOP the juice leaks. So I may not know how long it will take to confirm anything. Again - it looks like 16s. But I'll ride the train.

For now I only have one Ithaka running. And yes, it's running on one of the JGGs that had a bottom cap.

 

[yankeebobo]

Dan - boil the cotton for 20 minutes, no less. Then cut a piece and shove it in the microwave for 3 minutes to use immediately. Use a pin or straightened paperclip. Wrap it, then remove the pin/clip. You'll have the gap needed for the cotton to swell.

 

[MoDmAnDaN]

Dan - boil the cotton for 20 minutes, no less. Then cut a piece and shove it in the microwave for 3 minutes to use immediately. Use a pin or straightened paperclip. Wrap it, then remove the pin/clip. You'll have the gap needed for the cotton to swell.

And that'll give me a good coil to run two strands through? I run mine in single coil X with both wicks (3mm) running through the coil. I find this configuration, works very well since it positions the coil directly over the air hole. I'd be a little worried about choking the cotton wick.

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[Darkreign]

My method is to wrap my coils around a 5/64th drill bit and then thread my yarn through it. Once it has eliquid on it will swell to the correct size. I run my wicks parallel, not crossed, so that I can change the wicks and leave the coils in place for a dry burn. I tried 4 different configurations, 2 of which were single coil. 2 wicks in one coil, like yours and one wick/coil diagonal with feeder wick across with no coil and I wasn't really able to tell a difference.

I dont know right off what size drill bit you could use for that configuration, or if it would even work well because 2 wicks together make it oblong instead of round.

 

[yankeebobo]

Dan - for your single coil, I would use two long and a short. That's three total. The triangle fills in a circular wrap better when wet.

Dark - thats how I set my drippers up. Interestingly enough, I did a dual today in parallel. I usually cross. But when you feed 2-3 wicks through, you're so full, it doesn't matter. The silica I HATED in parallel.

Hmm. Maybe I should have just applied my dripper method to Ithaka. Ok. Another task to add to my list.

 

[MoDmAnDaN]

Yankee - I like your idea! All I need to find is something appropriate size to wrap my coil around before I feed the 3 cotton strands. Any suggestions?

Actually I'm surprised and a little embarrassed I never thought of that with using silica! :what:

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