It's About Control

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sherid

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Oh boy, this row over e cigarettes is really annoying me. Look, yes, we know that smoking tobacco kills people. So, someone comes up with a way that you can get the nicotine without all the things that kill you: the e cigarette. So, what do the probnoses and the puritans do? Try to ban the e cigarette.

Sheesh, you'd think they'd be happy for goodness sake! People are damaging themselves less by using an e cigarette than smoking a regular cigar of ciggie. And that's what they keep saying they want, that people stop damaging themselves, isn't it?

But the fact that they want to ban e cigaettes rather reveals that this isn't what they're interested in at all. No, it's control over people, allowing them only to do what the bureaucrats decide to allow them to do.

The U.S. Food and Drug Administration isn’t so sure. E-cigarettes have not been approved as a quitting method like the nicotine patch or gum, or as an alternative to smoking like chewing tobacco.

“FDA has reviewed several ‘electronic cigarettes’ and determined that those products were making ‘drug’ claims,” said Susan Small, a public affairs technician in the New England District FDA, in a written statement. “We have detained and refused several such products on the grounds that they were unapproved new drugs.”

The FDA considers e-cigarettes to be “adulterated devices” and is reviewing the products on a case-by-case basis, Small said.

The World Health Organization in a statement last year said e-cigarettes are not a legitimate therapy for smokers trying to quit and questioned the product’s safety.

The American Cancer Society has also weighed in.

“There is no strong evidence that shows they improve one’s chances of quitting,” said Kate Rogers, state director for the American Cancer Society.


See, they don't care that e cigarettes are less dangerous than tobacco. They still don't want you to use them.

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by "quitting" these people do not mean quitting tobacco.. they mean quitting your drug addiction.. in other words getting off nicotine..

basically these people are anti addictive drugs of any kind.. they simply see e smoking as a new and unwanted kind of recreational drug delivery system....

put to a vote i think most sensible (well informed) people would tell them to mind their own business.. such things rarely are tho..

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Yep, authoritarian thinking really has taken a lot of our freedoms away. I wish we could have a bit less authority and a bit more anarchy (the real cooperative type, not the free for all many people think it means).
Smokers and now e smokers have been a pitiful group, allowing unreasonable people to make and enforce unreasonable laws while sitting around picking their noses. I agree that defiance on a massive scale is needed. Too bad no one seems angry enough to do anything other than b**ch about it.
 

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... power corrupts ... if they weren't control freaks before getting power then they probably turn into control freaks pretty quickly.

I will disagree with you on that one Kate. I don't believe that power corrupts, rather that power attracts the corrupt. People with bad intentions will seek positions where they have the most to gain.

This is why I believe that anyone who actually wants to run for public office, or seeks to work for the government should be immediately suspect.
 

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Most people have a price. :) I know mine's pretty low.

I'm in favor of implementing a random draft for our public servants, with the positions you are appointed to linked to your IQ.

I certainly don't dispute for a minute that this is all about control. As I've said before, the FDA are bureaucrats, and all of them will seek to expand their realm of influence in order to make themselves more important.
 

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nobody will do anything, I am trying to do things, had 1 response. I think people are ultimately embarrassed about vaping, its just not cool like smoking, its admitting you have an addiction and look at the silly e-cig yer puffin on, all talk and no action, I guess its in the hands of our appointed shepherds
 

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But the fact that they want to ban e cigaettes rather reveals that this isn't what they're interested in at all. No, it's control over people, allowing them only to do what the bureaucrats decide to allow them to do.
I would have to disagree with you. 'Control over people' is not the issue at hand.

The current climate of hostility towards e-cigarettes is purely about money and nothing else. The tobacco industry has very deep pockets and those deep pockets hold a great deal of influence with the powers that be.

The tobacco companies do not want alternatives to or cessation products from their own highly addictive products to be available.

It takes a giant of equal magnitude to challenge the tobacco industry. The pharmaceutical industry is an equal and that is why things like the patch, chantix and others are around.

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It's all about money for the big guys; and they use the 'all-about-power' that keeps the not-so-very-big guys going, to get things the way they want them. So it's both, in my view.

I'm in favor of implementing a random draft for our public servants, with the positions you are appointed to linked to your IQ.
Hmm... guess we need to vote you in as president next time, to get this done... what a different world it would be! :D
 

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I would have to disagree with you. 'Control over people' is not the issue at hand.

The current climate of hostility towards e-cigarettes is purely about money and nothing else. The tobacco industry has very deep pockets and those deep pockets hold a great deal of influence with the powers that be.

The tobacco companies do not want alternatives to or cessation products from their own highly addictive products to be available.

It takes a giant of equal magnitude to challenge the tobacco industry. The pharmaceutical industry is an equal and that is why things like the patch, chantix and others are around.

DW

Personally, I believe that e cigarettes have BT's full backing as I believe they are owned by BT. It is BP you need to worry about. If they get control of these things, the nicotine will be minimal; they will taste like crap; and you will have to pay both a doctor and a pharmacy in addition to the charges you are used to paying for e cigs. Money is POWER, and power IS control.
 
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