It's these kind of people that are going to ruin it for all of us...

[raqball]

I can only read this type of comment 5 times in a thread before I'm compelled to respond with:

if you are not vaping in public, by choice, and others are, by choice, then what is the price you are paying?

Businesses banning vape inside. For instance, I use to be able to vape in a pub (this is already in the thread several times over) but irresponsible vapers caused the owner to ban vape inside.

Big tobacco did not make him ban vape inside nor did any politician or law. Irresponsible vapers caused this to happen and nothing else.

So yes, they have already cost me something.

Anyway, now we are rehashing what's already been discussed several times over but since you asked nicely, I figured I'd respond.

 

[Robert Cromwell]

Had ants in my kitchen! Set out the little trappy things and they died or left, either one is fine with me.

 

[raqball]

Had ants in my kitchen! Set out the little trappy things and they died or left, either one is fine with me.

Me too! Had them in an upstairs bathroom. Set the traps watched a gazillion come feed and off they went to spread the goo to the nest. Haven't seen the little buggers in a month now..

 

[zoiDman]

We like to vape?

Yeah... Some in more Places than Others.

 

[DC2]

She is a nut, but she is my nut

My dog is a stupidhead.

 

[raqball]

Where is @HauntedMyst when you need him.. LOL

 

[Robert Cromwell]

Ohh I would like to vape anywhere and anytime but that is not a reasonable thing to expect to be able to do.
I do like vaping in bed I never smoked there because I was afraid I would fall asleep and tend to burn things up.
I have a light on my nightstand with little vape holders built into it. I think they were designed for pens or something but work well for ego batteries.

 

[Robert Cromwell]

Where is @HauntedMyst when you need him.. LOL

yeah where is the nut?

 

[skoony]

Businesses banning vape inside. For instance, I use to be able to vape in a pub (this is already in the thread several times over) but irresponsible vapers caused the owner to ban vape inside.

Big tobacco did not make him ban vape inside nor did any politician or law. Irresponsible vapers caused this to happen and nothing else.

So yes, they have already cost me something.

Anyway, now we are rehashing what's already been discussed several times over but since you asked nicely, I figured I'd respond.

no. an owner who does not know how to run a business selling alcohol caved.
showing his customers he will not enforce any behavior standards what so ever.
thus insuring his regular customers will have no sense of security and go elsewhere.
mike

 

[raqball]

YAWN

 

[beckdg]

if you are not vaping in public, by choice, and others are, by choice, then what is the price you are paying?

Businesses banning vape inside. For instance, I use to be able to vape in a pub (this is already in the thread several times over) but irresponsible vapers caused the owner to ban vape inside.

was this bar not open to the public?

 

[beckdg]

As of April 2, 2015
State Laws Restricting E-cigarette Use in 100% Smokefree Venues: 3
State Laws Restricting E-cigarette Use in Other Venues:8
Local Laws Restricting E-cigarette Use in 100% Smokefree Venue:354
In addition 186 local laws restrict E-cigarette Use in Other Venues

of course this does not take into account restrictions/bans by privately held establishments.

is this in response to me saying there is middle ground in the schools of thought that are rarely expressed?

 

[Bad Ninja]

was this bar not open to the public?

He keeps "banning" his customers in large groups and he won't be open to the "public" much longer.

Maybe we should wait until he chases all his customers away and open a vape store in his location.

 

[Rizzyking]

I'm British I live in the UK and the USA is far from the only place where vaping is under threat our counties (you call them states) have no financial agreement with tobacco company's and though anything but clean our politicians are not in the pocket of big tobacco. Do I see cloud chasers every time I'm out and about no, do I have a problem with reasonable and appropriate cloud chasing hell no but even in my small town we have a group of ...... who think fogging areas up is really clever and funny and of all the comments I've heard about that group none have been positive you honestly think the non smoking\vaping public don't take a more negative view of vaping based on those .......

Perhaps the biggest thing this thread has shown is how insular vaping groups are as like I said vaping is under threat all over the globe not just the US and those other places are not coming down hard because of big tobacco. Even blaming the tobacco company's shows how little you really know about them or their position and in the states your too busy blaming them to realise they could become one of your greatest allies.

 

[AndriaD]

I'm British I live in the UK and the USA is far from the only place where vaping is under threat our counties (you call them states) have no financial agreement with tobacco company's and though anything but clean our politicians are not in the pocket of big tobacco. Do I see cloud chasers every time I'm out and about no, do I have a problem with reasonable and appropriate cloud chasing hell no but even in my small town we have a group of *****s who think fogging areas up is really clever and funny and of all the comments I've heard about that group none have been positive you honestly think the non smoking\vaping public don't take a more negative view of vaping based on those *****s.

Perhaps the biggest thing this thread has shown is how insular vaping groups are as like I said vaping is under threat all over the globe not just the US and those other places are not coming down hard because of big tobacco. Even blaming the tobacco company's shows how little you really know about them or their position and in the states your too busy blaming them to realise they could become one of your greatest allies.

I agree about BT, they *could* be our ally instead of our enemy, but then they started all that nonsense about closed-system being "safer" -- they're only safer to BT's coffers; everyone else hates them and does everything they can to "hack" them. It's just a business tactic, they want to corner the market, post-regs, but it's a particularly dirty tactic, since those devices really don't work to help people quit smoking -- so it figures that BT would like them, and seek to have their opposites banned.

Andria

 

[YoursTruli]

is this in response to me saying there is middle ground in the schools of thought that are rarely expressed?

in response to my own post "local" cutting us off at the knees before all of the the states or federal ever get the chance tp. I do see some middle ground almost nothing is black and white but there never seems to be much middle ground when it comes to this particular subject.

 

[beckdg]

in response to my own post "local" cutting us off at the knees before all of the the states or federal ever get the chance tp. I do see some middle ground almost nothing is black and white but there never seems to be much middle ground when it comes to this particular subject.

makes sense. i was scratching my head a bit there. thanks for replying.

 

[Bad Ninja]

I'm British I live in the UK and the USA is far from the only place where vaping is under threat our counties (you call them states) have no financial agreement with tobacco company's and though anything but clean our politicians are not in the pocket of big tobacco. Do I see cloud chasers every time I'm out and about no, do I have a problem with reasonable and appropriate cloud chasing hell no but even in my small town we have a group of *****s who think fogging areas up is really clever and funny and of all the comments I've heard about that group none have been positive you honestly think the non smoking\vaping public don't take a more negative view of vaping based on those *****s.

Perhaps the biggest thing this thread has shown is how insular vaping groups are as like I said vaping is under threat all over the globe not just the US and those other places are not coming down hard because of big tobacco. Even blaming the tobacco company's shows how little you really know about them or their position and in the states your too busy blaming them to realise they could become one of your greatest allies.

I don't know a lot about the UK but I know business.
So I'll ask:

How much tax is there on a pack of cigarettes in the UK?

Where does the money go?

How many programs depend on that money?

Where will they get funding if the tax revenue is cut say.. By 50%?

Now you see where the interest in stopping a very effective smoking alternative?
Remember, vaping can beat the addiction, spin effect we could ween ourselves off nicotine and stop.
No smoking-no tax revenue-no money.

 

[raqball]

He keeps "banning" his customers in large groups and he won't be open to the "public" much longer.

Maybe we should wait until he chases all his customers away and open a vape store in his location.

Now you stoop to the level of attacking someone who has owned a business for 20+ years because you don't understand how businesses work?

Wow, just wow..

Since you are so concerned, I don't think you need to worry about him as his pub is doing just fine without the can care less attitude having vapers. He tired to make it work but in the end the irresponsible vapers cost us all, at least at his place but there are plenty more that have banned vaping and survive just fine.

Again for the umpteenth time. Politicians nor big tobacco was the result of this. Irresponsible vapers were!

Think I'll email him this thread though. I assume he will get a kick out it and it will only serve to reinforce his decision..

And he didn't ban vapers, he banned vaping inside the bar. Big difference..

 

[chopdoc]

See everyones been busy and reading up from this morning was like watching a tug of war. Yet all is good. had a great day hanging out with smokers and fellow vapors but I did eat too many crawfish

But to wade back into the fray, I was discussing what Indiana did to the vapors in their state with that completely screwed up anti vape legislation that the governor signed and I kept thinking of what the pro cloud chasers been saying here. I gotta say I totally agree with them in this regard. What does this little argument matter when big brother is gonna shaft us in the end anyways. In the end whats right and whats wrong has no meaning. Whats decent and whats rude is meaningless because all the governing body cares about is the $$$ and that they will do what ever they want to rob our wallets.
I am still an advocate of vaping respectfully and responsibly but at the end of the day I will be looking at it the same way I look at the anti gun laws they keep trying to pass. I dont want to be an outlaw but if push comes to shove, catch me if ya can!