Using huge clouds to part a crowd of people like Moses

[Captain Pegleg]

"Hey smokers, I'm an EX SMOKER so clear a path for me!"

whereas people who never smoked, and cared, would just walk on the other side of the street

 

[greasegizzard]

You agree you should be met with desdain for finding something that is NOT smoking, simply because others ASSUME it may be SMOKING?
Nicotine has noting to do with anything in your assumption..........beyond a lack of Understanding.

I actually disagree with Banning vaping anywhere, though I realize it is simpler than Banning ignorant or self serving people with little respect for others.

I made no assumption. I made a statement.

 

[greasegizzard]

You agree you should be met with desdain for finding something that is NOT smoking, simply because others ASSUME it may be SMOKING?
Nicotine has noting to do with anything in your assumption..........beyond a lack of Understanding.

I actually disagree with Banning vaping anywhere, though I realize it is simpler than Banning ignorant or self serving people with little respect for others.

Also, not sure how you got that I think we should be met with disdain for vaping.

 

[AndriaD]

A. You might want to review the rule regarding 'attack the post, not the poster'

B. Just because I refuse to be lumped in with smokers does not mean I believe myself to be better than them. I stopped smoking for a reason. It stinks, it is horrible for my health, and it's expensive. If a smoker expresses interest in vaping, I'm happy to share information, but I'm not going to stand in the midst of a cloud of smoke and ash to proselytize about vaping. That fact does not make me a prima Donna or the bane of the vaping cause.

Andria

 

[AndriaD]

I'll tell you why. You make it sound like all smokers are these kind, friendly, benevolent people who just don't know about the benefits of vaping. I hate to shatter your pollyanna outlook, but a lot of smokers (once again, not all of them) are rude, arrogant, pains in the you-know-where, who actually consider themselves superior to me because they Smoke!!

Most times in life, when someone insults you, you have to turn the other cheek and move on. It's the only sane way to live. But every once in awhile, a big ol' fluffy cloud right back at 'em (it's hardly deadly..they'll be okay) is the antithesis of turning the other cheek. It's fun, when they look back at you all surprised, because, for once, you gave as good as you got.

Andria

 

[crxess]

I made no assumption. I made a statement.

Not you, .............Non smokers

Also, not sure how you got that I think we should be met with disdain for vaping.

I think from your post ,you believe we should be. We as Vapers are attempting in every way to be FREE of Burning Tobacco and all it could bring to our lives.
Vaping is NOT smoking, so Why should we be Forced into Smoking areas?

I'm 62 and just a few years ago beat Smoking by switching to vaping. I was on the edge of COPD. Why would I want to be Herded into a Pin full of Cigarette Smoke?
What gives ANYONE the right to Tourture me in such an inhumane way? What I done that makes me any less deserving than any Non-smoking or Ex-smoking person?

I do believe people who do vape should do so respectfully. I also believe as a Law abiding citizen I should be treated with the same respect as any other.

Vaping...........Laws or no Laws ................is NOT SMOKING

Make it ease - establish Vaping areas and keep the non vaping anti's out of my face

 

[roxynoodle]

I actually still like the smell of cigarettes

 

[Woofer]

Moses parted a crowd of people? hmmm that is a new one.

Hate fixes nothing. Regardless of the justification.

 

[Ablonz]

I used to part my hair........when I had it. Sorry, jumping in too late on this conversation.

 

[greasegizzard]

Not you, .............Non smokers



I think from your post ,you believe we should be. We as Vapers are attempting in every way to be FREE of Burning Tobacco and all it could bring to our lives.
Vaping is NOT smoking, so Why should we be Forced into Smoking areas?

I'm 62 and just a few years ago beat Smoking by switching to vaping. I was on the edge of COPD. Why would I want to be Herded into a Pin full of Cigarette Smoke?
What gives ANYONE the right to Tourture me in such an inhumane way? What I done that makes me any less deserving than any Non-smoking or Ex-smoking person?

I do believe people who do vape should do so respectfully. I also believe as a Law abiding citizen I should be treated with the same respect as any other.

Vaping...........Laws or no Laws ................is NOT SMOKING

Make it ease - establish Vaping areas and keep the non vaping anti's out of my face

What I meant is if you can't smoke in a place, you shouldn't be able to vape either. I want saying we should be put in one big smoking/vaping area. Maybe I didn't word it the best way, too lazy to go back and look. But I don't think we should be able to do it anywhere we please. I know vaping is not smoking, but the way some of the ex-smokers here are acting is exactly the way non-smokers most likely felt years ago before it was banned in most public places.

 

[AndriaD]

Not you, .............Non smokers



I think from your post ,you believe we should be. We as Vapers are attempting in every way to be FREE of Burning Tobacco and all it could bring to our lives.
Vaping is NOT smoking, so Why should we be Forced into Smoking areas?

I'm 62 and just a few years ago beat Smoking by switching to vaping. I was on the edge of COPD. Why would I want to be Herded into a Pin full of Cigarette Smoke?
What gives ANYONE the right to Tourture me in such an inhumane way? What I done that makes me any less deserving than any Non-smoking or Ex-smoking person?

I do believe people who do vape should do so respectfully. I also believe as a Law abiding citizen I should be treated with the same respect as any other.

Vaping...........Laws or no Laws ................is NOT SMOKING

Make it ease - establish Vaping areas and keep the non vaping anti's out of my face

A lot of us are in a similar position -- we quit smoking because years of it had damaged our lungs, or our health in various ways. Just because we now vape, does NOT mean we should be forced to breathe 2nd hand smoke anymore than OTHER non-smokers (because we are in fact NON-SMOKERS!) -- they've whined and complained for decades about that smell, should we be forced to breathe it NOW just because WE USED TO smoke? I THINK NOT!

I have asthma. It's debatable whether smoking *caused* it, since they don't really know for sure WHAT causes asthma, other than a genetic predisposition. It's true that I should have quit smoking when I was first diagnosed with asthma, but guess what, I couldn't, though I tried 4 times. Finally I have succeeded, BECAUSE OF VAPING! But I still have asthma, and frankly, it's no better than when I smoked, in fact my lungs are even more sensitive than they were -- because I'm not inhaling all that topical anesthetic that BT puts in cigarettes to make human bodies tolerate something as toxic as tobacco smoke combined with all the other poison that BT adds to cigarettes.

They got their wish -- lots of us have quit smoking, THANKS TO VAPING, and I resent the HELL out of them trying to force me back into the smokers' dungeon, just because of their own ignorance and intolerance.

Andria

 

[Racehorse]

I had a friend, who while shepherding my little piranha-fish and me through a thick crowd at Expo '86 would shout "Aids!" at the top of his lungs and the crowd would part and allow us forward

I'd not only be embarrassed by this, but the very thought of making people with AIDS the .... end of some kind of joke, not to mention even suggesting that a crowd would NEED to part because somebody with AIDS was in the crowd.......

REally, I don't know what to say to some of these posts. It's almost astounding to me.

I hope this is not the kind of society we have to look forward to..... I'm too old for this crap.

 

[Woofer]

Oh I am on facebook... errr ops

Ten Gazillion and 4 NOT Likes.

 

[jensy]

If nicotine is a drug, the FDA better jump right on regulating caffeine, as it's strikingly similar.

We are talking about a derivative of tobacco, not a drug. Judge Leon was absolutely correct in his assessment of that particular fact.

Here in Canada it is labeled as a drug and only to be sold for pharmaceutical reasons. Just an FYI.

 

[jensy]

And people who've switched to vaping neither want nor deserve to be lumped into the smoking section -- we went to all the trouble to get that stink out of our hair and clothes, and now we have to let other people put it back in??? I don't think so! I'll just stick to my hermit practices, and not go anyplace. When I go to stores, I won't vape, as I didn't smoke, but if I go out to a restaurant, I will NOT go around smokers; I'll walk far enough away to avoid the stink. Mostly I avoid restaurants though, as I've long avoided theaters; most restaurants' food is FAR inferior to what I can make at home.

Andria

You keep going on and on about the stentch in your hair and clothes. Dang when you get home take a shower and put clothes in the wash. No big deal and better than treating others as below you.

I happen to agree it smells but holy it is easily rectified.

 

[curiousJan]

Here in Canada it is labeled as a drug and only to be sold for pharmaceutical reasons. Just an FYI.

I'm not Canadian. The argument that nicotine is a drug doesn't hold weight for me. If nicotine is a drug, cigarettes should be outlawed and caffeine needs to be treated as a drug as well.

Caffeine is as dangerous in large quantities as nicotine. There are multiple, documented deaths due to energy drink consumption. There is no logical distinction between the two. The only difference is the demonization that has occurred as a result of combustible cigarettes.

 

[jensy]

I'm not Canadian. The argument that nicotine is a drug doesn't hold weight for me. If nicotine is a drug, cigarettes should be outlawed and caffeine needs to be treated as a drug as well.

Caffeine is as dangerous in large quantities as nicotine. There are multiple, documented deaths due to energy drink consumption. There is no logical distinction between the two. The only difference is the demonization that has occurred as a result of combustible cigarettes.

No I didn't think you were Canadian. As I stated in was just an FYI, a random tibit of info, and also saying that our country has it rated that way is not a far reach for your country to do the same.

 

[Racehorse]

Do I look down on smokers, think I'm better than they are? Yeah, I have to admit, sometimes, I do. I had the cojones to open my mind to a new idea. A lot of smokers (not all of 'em!) can't/won't/don't.

Well I don't doubt that the smokers who quit cold turkey, 10 or 20 years before me or you found vaping, thought the same of us????

And many of them turned into self congratulatory smug ANTZ, or semi-ANTZ

I find it unfortunate to see all this just repeat itself.... but with vaping and vapers.

Hey, next thing you know, those terrible smokers out on the sidewalks will be banished from even doing THAT. Let's banish them.......from the world in general, for our convenience and comfort. :sarcasm:

As for people who say they might go back to smoking if they smell smoke, guess what, that's on YOU.

Its like drunks and recovering alcoholics "blaming" other people and other circumstances for going back to drinking.......it's so dysfunctional to even THINK this way.

Your "quit" is your own responsibility. Be accountable.

You can't banish smoking, smokers, cigarettes, alcohol, beer, wine, or deserts and food, or anything else just because you don't think you have the willpower or resolve to persevere, in your quit, your diet, etc.

If that is a problem, then it is up to you to adjust where YOU go, not the other way around. If you are an "open wound", then stay home, and put dressing on your wounds. You're not *ready* to face all the temptations that exist in the real world out there yet.

This is EXACTLY how ANTZ, who were once smokers, managed to crap on smokers. The ex smokers were the most VIRULENT kind of ANTZ, as a matter of fact.

Just like nobody owes you a clear path to walk thru in a crowded venue, or out in the street or sidewalks.....because guess what? You are just another BODY taking up space, too. If you stayed home you wouldn't be clogging up whatever venue you're at. I go to a lot of crowded events. I just move with the other people, who are also trying to make a beeline to wherever their destination is, with a lot of "excuse me's" and "pardon me's" thrown in for courtesy.

I don't consider myself more important than they are, unless I'm part of a 911 First Reponder Team trying to get to somebody who is dying. That's really the ONLY reason I can see that anyone would be playing the "MOSES" role?

Self importance seems terribly out of control these days

 

[crxess]

What I meant is if you can't smoke in a place, you shouldn't be able to vape either. I want saying we should be put in one big smoking/vaping area. Maybe I didn't word it the best way, too lazy to go back and look. But I don't think we should be able to do it anywhere we please. I know vaping is not smoking, but the way some of the ex-smokers here are acting is exactly the way non-smokers most likely felt years ago before it was banned in most public places.

You are incorrect. You cannot change minds or teach by Blindly accepting punishment. No one says one has to be Rude, Condescending, or Arrogant in their actions, but Actions should be taken to calmly and professionally change the Mind set.

My Wife and I sat down for a small company dinner, at her place of employment. A small outlet store. Obviously a No smoking Zone(when open)
All of her fellow associates know she vapes, and she politely Vapes <AT WORK>
We both were comfortable taking an occasional Vape while conversing with others at the party. There were many Non-smokers there and a Few Smokers that knew NOT to smoke in the store.
No one had issue with us Vaping.
I did refrain from taking my big mod/tank in with me and settled on my Twist/Carto for the evening.(Being Polite)

IT WORKS!!!!

I do not think less of myself for vaping and do not mind if others realize that.

 

[beckdg]

You are incorrect. You cannot change minds or teach by Blindly accepting punishment.

Don't go spreading this around. If my wife ever gets wind she might make me dispose of my blind fold.

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