It's these kind of people that are going to ruin it for all of us...

[Bad Ninja]

I deal with politicians at all levels and their favourite thing to throw are rude and ignorant cloud chasers one of them (who I have no chance of turning to our cause) has a video on his phone of six kids blowing huge clouds and laughing at people that are coughing and I'm not on about the fake cough most of us have had. It's damn near impossible for me to spin it positively in anyway and whilst it is a tiny percentage of cloud chasers doing it their impact is far larger then their numbers and whether some like it or not or believe it they are damaging vaping for us all. As to the whole vaping is only for former smokers don't agree with that I know a few using it to help with dietary issues, but yeah has to be a but those who are doing it purely because it's the cool thing to do are idiots simple as that. I love vaping but if I hadn't smoked before I wouldn't be vaping as the coolest thing to do is put only air into your lungs nothing else and that group also help the arguments against vaping.

As I said this isn't a cloud chasing problem perse it's an immature stupid idiot problem it's just cloud chasing idiots are far easier to see and react too.

Ask your politician acquaintances why states are dependent on Big Tobacco settlement cash, and cig taxes.

Then ask them if every vapor cloud was invisible, and without smell would it matter?

It won't.

The "image" issue is just their excuse.
Be smarter. Don't buy into the propaganda.

The real issue is money and criminal politicians that are allowed to stay in office.
Come on people, just look! It's not hidden.

 

[freeall]

21 pages. Impressive.

*golf clap*

 

[beckdg]

Really? You can shoot the messenger if that what makes you feel better but it doesnt change things in the least. A small handful of immature cloud chasing vapors have gone out of their way to give the vaping community a black eye, especially the cloud chasing faction. Was it their intentions to do this, of course not. Their intentions was too self centered to even consider the ramifications their actions held. Does that mean all cloud chasers are that way, of course not but the whole suffers from the actions of a few.

To think that all cloud chasers are the problem is about as immature as believing anyone with an opinion against those who caused this grief are part of a "cloud chaser ruin everything camp" and wants kids to smoke. Thats just plain asinine.

LOL...

once again... this is merely amusement to me. so anything posted here makes me feel better... by way of laughter.

but the lack of sound logic... and the replacement of pure emotional garbage by some members... makes me fear for the future some times.

i say we all take everything out of context to make our points... seem... logical. thanks for letting me know you're with me on that journey. who's next?

 

[raqball]

Ask your politician acquaintances why states are dependent on Big Tobacco settlement cash, and cig taxes.

Then ask them if every vapor cloud was invisible, and without smell would it matter?

It won't.

The "image" issue is just their excuse.
Be smarter. Don't buy into the propaganda.

The real issue is money and criminal politicians that are allowed to stay in office.
Come on people, just look! It's not hidden.

You nailed 2/3 of the problem.

1. Big Tobacco
2. Politicians taking big tobacco's money then doing what they want
3. Irresponsible vapers

Before big tobacco became even more involved and before the politicians started taking even more of their anti vaping money the public knew nothing more about vaping than what they personally observed with their own eyes.

Thump away on big tobacco and the politician issue all you want, and you'd be right in doing so, but don't forget about # 3. Public perception of vaping plays a large roll in this whole thing and while maybe not as important and 1 and 2, it is a powerful portion of the big picture..

 

[beckdg]

hold on there bluesnake.
you were the one that called me inconsiderate for not caring about what
"other people" think.
i most certainly do,if i know what they think.
i don't know what they think so i would not tell
you what to think based on what i think "other
people" are thinking because i do not know
what those "other people" are thinking.
there,hows that for talking in circles.

mike

looks pretty straight forward to me.

 

[KattMamma]

So if cloud chasers are giving us all a bad rep, wouldn't it make sense for the rest of us to step up and show the public how we vape? And I don't mean going to the smoking area - I mean vaping in public places but keeping your plume to yourself (smaller clouds, blown down or up to avoid it going into people's faces). This way the public actually gets to see how most of us vape, instead of only being exposed to the giant cloud blowers.

BTW, I work in Fort Worth, and the only place I've EVER seen anyone blowing big clouds is in vape shops. I think most cloud chasers are intelligent and courteous enough that they don't do it in grocery stores. The one odd knucklehead mentioned in the OP is the exception, not the rule.

 

[chopdoc]

LOL...

once again... this is merely amusement to me. so anything posted here makes me feel better... by way of laughter.

but the lack of sound logic... and the replacement of pure emotional garbage by some members... makes me fear for the future some times.

i say we all take everything out of context to make our points... seem... logical. thanks for letting me know you're with me on that journey. who's next?

Sad thing is your the epiphany of why we are ultimately doomed. You only care about what you want and hold in total disregard anyone else considerations or rights. Your going to do what you want when you want and care less how much you harm the vaping community.

 

[Thespis]

I'm devastated...

Fair enough. Just know that many times the message isn't heard because people stop listening to the messenger.

 

[Asbestos4004]

Some people cloud chasing is there thing and they love lung hitting those hard core sub ohm high wattage vapes. I have no problem with that and I really dont think anyone who vapes does. I enjoy watching the cloud chasing competitions and seeing the cloud chasing tricks. Its beyond cool in my opinion. I cant do it because after 40 years of smoking and with COPD my lungs do not like that kind of volume of vapor in it.

But there is another side of the coin that must be faced. If you go into a vape shop and there is one or two cloud chasers there, is not the place usually hazy? Do you really want that haze when you and your family and kids are enjoying a meal? Watching a movie? On a flight going somewhere? Most people including many who vape dont because now it has gone from being cool to being annoying. There are a few here on this thread who refuses to see this. They believe they should have the right to blow clouds whenever they feel like it regardless that its shines all vapors in a bad light. All of us regardless how we vape should understand that our habit/hobby has a place and a time when it is acceptable and other times when its not.
This has nothing to do with the way smokers were treated and everything to do with common decency. Some people feel they have the right to pass gas when ever the urge hits them. Does that make it right or acceptable?

How does cloud blowing in a vape shop equate to disturbing your movie or dining experience? Unless you're eating and watching a movie in a vape shop....but then if clouds are bothersome to you, I would suggest a different venue.
You say there are posters in this very thread that said they should be able to "blow clouds whenever they feel like it". I guess I missed that post. I've seen it posted that they vape where they want...but it seems they're using discretion. Are you considering anyone who vapes in the Walmart, or sneaks a vape in a movie theater a Cloud Chaser? Any chance you could post the quotes from these people in this thread that said "we should be able to blow clouds whenever we want...hell with everybody else..." It's 22 pages, I just don't want to reread all of them to find these posts you speak of.

 

[zoiDman]

Sad thing is your the epiphany of why we are ultimately doomed. You only care about what you want and hold in total disregard anyone else considerations or rights. Your going to do what you want when you want and care less how much you harm the vaping community.

You mentioned "Rights" in your Post.

Do you believe that the Owner of a Business has the "Right" to deny a person from using an e-Cigarette in Enclosed Spaces on their Property?

 

[Bad Ninja]

You nailed 2/3 of the problem.

1. Big Tobacco
2. Politicians taking big tobacco's money then doing what they want
3. Irresponsible vapers

Before big tobacco became even more involved and before the politicians started taking even more of their anti vaping money the public knew nothing more about vaping than what they personally observed with their own eyes.

Thump away on big tobacco and the politician issue all you want, and you'd be right in doing so, but don't forget about # 3. Public perception of vaping plays a large roll in this whole thing and while maybe not as important and 1 and 2, it is a powerful portion of the big picture..

So you think if clouds were invisible we would not be looking at restrictions?

That's incorrect.
Regardless of public perception, laws will be passed because States cannot take the income loss associated with masses giving up cigs.

They "pre spent" the money.

Has nothing to do with "public perception". It's already a done deal.

 

[Thespis]

You mentioned "Rights" in your Post.

Do you believe that the Owner of a Business has the "Right" to deny a person from using an e-Cigarette in Enclosed Spaces on their Property?

I believe they do. I also think a business has the right to allow vaping in enclosed spaces on their property.

 

[raqball]

So you think if clouds were invisible we would not be looking at restrictions?

That's incorrect.
Regardless of public perception, laws will be passed because States cannot take the income loss associated with masses giving up cigs.

They "pre spent" the money.

Has nothing to do with "public perception". It's already a done deal.

Maybe you are right and maybe you are not. We will never fully know as long as people keep running around acting foolishly.

 

[retired1]

I would highly suggest people stop with the insults and snark. The next time I have to wade through this thread isn't going to be pretty.

 

[Asbestos4004]

If cloud blowing in public made everything smell better, everything grow better, depleted the pollution in the air, solved "global warming", made your dog not bite, fixed pot holes in the street and solved world hunger...vaping would be facing the same problems as it is now. Now, if it filled the governmental coffers....well....that's probably a different story.

 

[chopdoc]

Its the cloud chasers who do vape in restaurants, movie theaters and other inappropriate places. Its a parable of how the vape shop is hazy versus other places being hazy because of the cloud chasers.
And its them who defend the guy walking thru walmart that refuses to even consider that it sheds a bad light on all of us who vapes but I tell ya what. Its a beautiful day today and I been invited to a crawfish boil so yall go ahead and do what ever you like. Vape wherever you like. I know I will be vapng with some friends today who also vape and enjoying life so I wish everyone a happy vape day.

 

[Thespis]

Maybe you are right and maybe you are not. We will never fully know as long as people keep running around acting foolishly.

We will never fully know either way.

 

[Asbestos4004]

Its the cloud chasers who do vape in restaurants, movie theaters and other inappropriate places. Its a parable of how the vape shop is hazy versus other places being hazy because of the cloud chasers.
And its them who defend the guy walking thru walmart that refuses to even consider that it sheds a bad light on all of us who vapes but I tell ya what. Its a beautiful day today and I been invited to a crawfish boil so yall go ahead and do what ever you like. Vape wherever you like. I know I will be vapng with some friends today who also vape and enjoying life so I wish everyone a happy vape day.

Still no quotes you claim are in here. OK. And after 2 years, I've never seen anyone blowing clouds in any of these restaurants or movie theaters. I'm certainly not saying it doesn't happen...but I am saying it doesn't happen as often as you'd like it to...to support your argument. And no, I'm not sticking up for Walmart guy...he's a jerk if that's what he did. But an isolated incident does not become the norm just for your sake.

Are drunk drivers ruining alcohol for everyone?

 

[zoiDman]

I believe they do. I also think a business has the right to allow vaping in enclosed spaces on their property.

I am of the Same Belief.

Sadly though, we All know that a Voluntary System doesn't work. Because I (or someone like Wal-Mart) can put up Sign saying that Vaping is Not Allowed inside my Buildings, but that will Not stop a Small percentage of Vapers.

I'm not Sure why someone Can't go 30 or 40 Minutes without having to take a Hit Off an e-Cigarette. But I guess it Is What It Is for some people.

 

[skoony]

So if cloud chasers are giving us all a bad rep, wouldn't it make sense for the rest of us to step up and show the public how we vape? And I don't mean going to the smoking area - I mean vaping in public places but keeping your plume to yourself (smaller clouds, blown down or up to avoid it going into people's faces). This way the public actually gets to see how most of us vape, instead of only being exposed to the giant cloud blowers.

BTW, I work in Fort Worth, and the only place I've EVER seen anyone blowing big clouds is in vape shops. I think most cloud chasers are intelligent and courteous enough that they don't do it in grocery stores. The one odd knucklehead mentioned in the OP is the exception, not the rule.

i haven't seen any cloud chasing here either.
it makes one wonder how wide spread is this
pox on vaping?
some have lamented no vaping signs were posted
in California long before before the talk of
vaping bans because of cloud chasing.
i suspect that shows the political leanings
of the owners more than the behavior
of the customers.
there is a lot of what if someone did this
at the (insert hospital,daycare center or some other inappropriate place here)
kind of talk.
lots of we must consider what the non-vapers/smokers
think type of stuff. i wish i knew what they thought.
some here think they do.
in the big scheme of things i don't think there is
a pandemic of cloud chasers running amok in the
aisles of every big box store and smogging out
all the Olive Gardens.
i say vape like its normal and vape normally.
i am not a sky is falling kind of guy but if
something falls out of sky and smashes my PV
it will be BT,BP and BG,not some one,some where,
that might be,maybe,perhaps and even was really
blowing a giant cloud of vaper.

mike