It's these kind of people that are going to ruin it for all of us...

[WillyZee]

is he running a bar or kindergarden?
you get rid of the trouble makers.
you do not punish your customers.
they will leave too.
i say the story is bogus.
it doesn't make sense.
mike

I saw this or a similar story ... it was posted by the guy who owns the bar, and yes, he vapes.

The cloud chuckers produced so much vapour, his non-vaping customers stopped coming and he was losing business, therefore he had to ban all vaping ... even his own.

 

[AndriaD]

Not say'n that people Won't. And in the Immortal words of George Carlin... "When it comes to Driving, if a Cop didn't see it, I Didn't do it."

But the issue that is Pertinent is if a Store like the OP was in has a Sign that say's "No Vaping", and people are still doing what the OP witnesses in the Cereal Aisle, what options are left to the Store? Besides getting onboard a Vaping Ban piece of Legislation?

I would Love to live in a World where Owners could decide whether they Will or Will Not allow e-Cigarette use in their Enclosed Spaces. And that ALL Vapers would Respect this.

I just don't think that it is Viable after Reading what I have Read in This and All the Other Threads like this. There will Always be a Small Group of Individuals wyho will Screw it Up for the Vast Majority of those who Vape.

Yup.. that infamous 10% who screw it up for the other 90%... they're everywhere; I think they must be in the 'terminally stupid' camp.

Andria

 

[zoiDman]

Yup.. that infamous 10% who screw it up for the other 90%... they're everywhere; I think they must be in the 'terminally stupid' camp.

Andria

There are some that are Definitely Stupid.

I also think there are some that are just Ignorant that their Actions may have a Negative Impact on All Vapers.

But I think there are some who just Don't give a ______.

 

[HauntedMyst]

I think they must be in the 'terminally stupid' camp.

You are right but we can't. As good idea as it is to put the stupid into a camp where they can be watched and protected from themselves (and only given lukewarm coffee so they don't burn themselves) we just can't. Free range uber liberals will be up in arms about it and will call in the ACLU to free them. The best we can hope for is that they are tagged and given special helmets so we know who they are out in public. Actually, the best we an hope for is getting all of excessive safety laws repealed and hope natural selection run its course.

(Note: Idea for a reality TV show - Assemble a collection of the terminally stupid and give them dangerous things to play with. Call the last surviving contestant the Most Evolved)

 

[USMCotaku]

And you can continue to deny that problematic vapers are part of the problem.



Problematic vapers ARE part of the problem, as evident by this very thread, even if you choose not to see it..

Where in this thread is the evidence that any vapers are part of the problem? I've seen a lot of supposition, but zero evidence...

 

[zoiDman]

Where in this thread is the evidence that any vapers are part of the problem? I've seen a lot of supposition, but zero evidence...

Are you saying that you do Not Believe that a Vaper's Action has ever had a Negative Effect on someone's Perception of Vaping or people who Vape?

 

[USMCotaku]

Are you saying that you do Not Believe that a Vaper's Action has ever had a Negative Effect on someone's Perception of Vaping or people who Vape?

What I'm saying is a few bone head vapers won't affect regulations in any way. The public negative opinion is being driven by misleading and outright false propaganda..... Why are they doing this if vapers actions were already fueling negative reactions?

 

[AndriaD]

Here's the thing: yes, rude obnoxious vapers CAN sway public opinion against us, causing some venues to ban vaping. BUT, public opinion hasn't got ONE IOTA to do with all the new laws, regs, taxes, etc, proceeding from the various gov'ts -- that stuff is all about the money. In effect, it's two different battles; we're fighting the gov't and BP (and BT to some degree) on all the laws, bans, taxes, etc -- we're fighting negative public opinion on the matter of cloud chasers. The first battle is hard enough, and will take us quite a while to even break even, because once gov't gets its hands on a source of money, it's nearly impossible, if not COMPLETELY impossible, to get them to turn loose of it. What the public-indoor cloud chasers are doing is giving us a much harder 2nd battle.

Andria

 

[zoiDman]

What I'm saying is a few bone head vapers won't affect regulations in any way. The public negative opinion is being driven by misleading and outright false propaganda..... Why are they doing this if vapers actions were already fueling negative reactions?

Not say'n that the Media Campaign Isn't doing damage against Us. But I don't see Most things as One Dimensional Issues.

Take the OP's Experience in that Store's Cereal Aisle.

How many people have heard the Negative Reports and Media Articles about e-Cigarettes and haven't thought about it Much. And then they See some Rube in their Store Blowing Clouds on the Rice Chex.

When is a Real Life event enough to push someone from a Passive Observer to a someone who becomes an Advocate Against Something?

If you want to Believe that All Negative Public Sentiment can be Traced back to a Single Factor, that's Cool. I tend to think that just like there are Many Different Types of People who are Influenced by a Multitude of Factors. And all the Combinations and Permutations that go with it.

 

[skoony]

I saw this or a similar story ... it was posted by the guy who owns the bar, and yes, he vapes.

The cloud chuckers produced so much vapour, his non-vaping customers stopped coming and he was losing business, therefore he had to ban all vaping ... even his own.

again bogus story.the bar business is
not run that way.you get rid of the trouble makers not good cutomers.
its not kindergarden.
mike

 

[StarreLabelle]

I think what's a shame is not that someone was openly vaping in a store that allows it, but that the very people who should be supporting him are condemning him.
Perhaps part of the vaping community really believes that second hand vapor is harmful? All the studies show that it is not harmful... It also smells great....
There are still many smokers who don't know what vaping is, and who will benefit from seeing others vape; maybe it'll get them off a deadly smoking habit? If we begin stealth vaping, like we are doing something underhanded, that sends a guilty message out to the public. Anyone who regularly vapes around family, friends and children in their home can't really believe they are causing harm, because we aren't.
I really don't understand why different vaping methods would offend anyone. I'd give a lot for my husband to put down his 30+ year cigarette habit, and become a cloud chaser, even though I'm just a regular vaper, I guess.

 

[beckdg]

BUT, public opinion hasn't got ONE IOTA to do with all the new laws, regs, taxes, etc, proceeding from the various gov'ts -- that stuff is all about the money.

exactly

and per the argument that supports the OP's title...

exactly which sub-ohmer is going to ruin it for ALL OF US?

seems a little delusional if you ask me.

if the real reasons behind the constantly pending bills from all corners of the earth weren't what they are, i'd have to agree that mutton heads that think "cloudz yo" are their rights to display in public venues would be the source of negative public opinion that would eventually lead to legislation that could ruin it for all of us.

but this is not the case.

and cotton candy vodka is still legal.

and i can pick it up at a drive through right across my small town.

in front of the police officer in his personal vehicle in the same drive through for a case of coors light.

some of the arguments here are nothing but an extension of the posters over opinionated, overbearing, over judgmental personality.

sometimes it's best for the old curmudgeons to realize it's not their lawns they're attempting to kick people off of.

 

[beckdg]

Not say'n that the Media Campaign Isn't doing damage against Us. But I don't see Most things as One Dimensional Issues.

Take the OP's Experience in that Store's Cereal Aisle.

How many people have heard the Negative Reports and Media Articles about e-Cigarettes and haven't thought about it Much. And then they See some Rube in their Store Blowing Clouds on the Rice Chex.

When is a Real Life event enough to push someone from a Passive Observer to a someone who becomes an Advocate Against Something?

If you want to Believe that All Negative Public Sentiment can be Traced back to a Single Factor, that's Cool. I tend to think that just like there are Many Different Types of People who are Influenced by a Multitude of Factors. And all the Combinations and Permutations that go with it.

logical
intelligent

though, ignores the fact that they don't need bigger cloudz to push the agenda...
nor blowing them inside...
nor even the opinion they haven't given the public through their smear campaigns...

nor even any public opinion at all if they move swiftly enough.

 

[Alien Traveler]

again bogus story.the bar business is
not run that way.you get rid of the trouble makers not good cutomers.
its not kindergarden.
mike

You do not like story, you call it "bogus"?
The thing is that good customers are non-vaping customers: they are in majority and they are not cloud chasing. And it is not easy to get rid of troublemakers if you do not have sharp definition of what is "trouble". How big should be cloud to be a trouble?

 

[beckdg]

You do not like story, you call it "bogus"?
The thing is that good customers are non-vaping customers: they are in majority and they are not cloud chasing. And it is not easy to get rid of troublemakers if you do not have sharp definition of what is "trouble". How big should be cloud to be a trouble?

at the discretion of the staff. end of size argument. abide or be removed, period.

 

[zoiDman]

logical
intelligent

though, ignores the fact that they don't need bigger cloudz to push the agenda...
nor blowing them inside...
nor even the opinion they haven't given the public through their smear campaigns...

nor even any public opinion at all if they move swiftly enough.

The Same thing could have happened with an iTaste 30. But it Didn't. And I didn't want to Deviate too much from what the OP said Happened.

IMO, more Non Vapers have been Ticked Off by People using an Ego and Clearos than by Cloud Chasers. Because there More people out in Public using eGo's and Clearos than there are Cloud Chasers.

 

[USMCotaku]

And if we could get more of the true info into the publics hands, instead of all the false Antz crud....public cloud blowers wouldn't cause a stir beyond "that person looks silly". It's because of the fear mongering negative press that we get these kind of reactions... Sadly from vapers themselves even. Even vapers aren't immune to buying the hype.

Sent with one hand, the other is busy vaping.

 

[zoiDman]

BTW - I've got Nothing Against Cloud Chasing.

It Isn't for Me. But That's Me. What a person does to Stay of Cigarettes or what they do that Makes them Happy is Their Business.

I just don see Using any e-Cigarette (either a RN4081, an eGo, a APV or a Mech Mod) inside a Store as Helping out Cause more than it Hurts it.

 

[Asbestos4004]

BTW - I've got Nothing Against Cloud Chasing.

It Isn't for Me. But That's Me. What a person does to Stay of Cigarettes or what they do that Makes them Happy is Their Business.

I just don see Using any e-Cigarette (either a RN4081, an eGo, a APV or a Mech Mod) inside a Store as Helping out Cause more than it Hurts it.

I'm pretty sure everybody agrees on that. The rest seems to be a bunch of sky is falling, finger pointing, blame gamers by a few sticks in the mud.

 

[USMCotaku]

It shouldn't help or hurt the cause. It should be a non issue.
Sent with one hand, the other is busy vaping.