Bookmarked! Great to have a non-pg source for these flavors. Have you ever tried any of the powdered flavors, if so are they dissolvable, etc. Going to see about a few of them.
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Johnson creek original, anyone??
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Not complicated. Very forthright and in a step 1 through step 5 methodology quite simple. It's the commitment that gets muddied until you just go play with it, step by step.OMG, sounds way too complicated for meWanna sell me some? I finally gave up buying every vg I could find and started making my own (the easy way). I use Lorann's butterscotch, keoke and bavarian cream with vg nic juice from eliquidplanet and plain vg from Walmart. It probably doesn't taste like Tenn Cured (I don't have any left to compare it to
I need VG, and ECOpure Krystal my choice of base. It is 36 mg/ml density unflavored.
1) Only two ingredients need to be prepared separately before use, so best to make a large batch of each for multiple Juice Batches. The Tobacco Absolute and the crystalized Ethyl Maltol, as described in the "Mix" document. Once your "Mixes" are prepared simply measure pre-determined amount of each into your
2) VG or PG base, with either a static nicotine level, some people buy HIGHEST unflavored nicotine base possible and "cut" it down to your preferred nicotine density, by using a non-nicotine base (plain VG or PG). Sounds complicated, but is a simple act just to save money in ordering basic ingredients. Nicotine solutions are expensive.
3) In this case for a 10ml batch, 5ml 36 mg nic VG, 3 ml plain no-nic VG to yield 8 ml of 22.5 mg/ml juice. NOTE: This is a correction to the original formula, it doesn' turn to and 18 mg/ml until the next ingredients are added. (Sorry for the error, but it's inconsequential in the end!) The other 2 ml of liquid are your flavorings, 1/2 ml of absolute Mix, 1/2 ml Ethyl Maltol Mix, and 1/2 ml each caramel and hazelnut flavorings (Or vary ml amount of any of those four to yield 2 ml total).
4) The Total yield is 10 ml of 18 mg/ml liquid, shake well and
5) Fill cartridge and enjoy!
PG is a problem for me as well, the tiny amount of PG in the caramel and hazlenut not a problem so far, but maxUT kindly found a non-pg source. Hope this puts the whole concept into perspective for you. This is one of the simplest recipes, because it only contains 5 Primary Ingredients, four of which can be varied for personal taste and a Base that can be varied for personal nicotine density.
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That stuff is worth it's weight in gold right now! Hope you will find this formula to be as close as my memory of it could get.
Natures Flavors Organic Hazelnut Flavor Extract
Ingredients: Water, Organic Ethyl Alcohol, Natural Flavors
Nature's Flavors : Organic Hazelnut Flavor Extract (Kosher, Vegan, Gluten-Free) Excellent for baking, ice cream, coffee syrups and in beverage applications!
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--and-- (this one may be more concentrated)
Natures Flavors Organic Hazelnut Flavored Coffee & Tea Oil
ingredients: Organic Alcohol, Organic Flavors, Glycerin
Nature's Flavors : Organic Hazelnut Flavored Coffee & Tea Oil. This is for Flavoring Coffee Beans And Dried Herbs. Kosher,Vegan, and 100% Natural. 1/2 teaspoon per 1 Lb. of Coffee or Tea.
--it says "oil" but does not list any oils in the ingredients. The glycerin may give it an oil-type consistency.
Ingredients: Water, Organic Ethyl Alcohol, Natural Flavors
Nature's Flavors : Organic Hazelnut Flavor Extract (Kosher, Vegan, Gluten-Free) Excellent for baking, ice cream, coffee syrups and in beverage applications!
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Natures Flavors Organic Hazelnut Flavored Coffee & Tea Oil
ingredients: Organic Alcohol, Organic Flavors, Glycerin
Nature's Flavors : Organic Hazelnut Flavored Coffee & Tea Oil. This is for Flavoring Coffee Beans And Dried Herbs. Kosher,Vegan, and 100% Natural. 1/2 teaspoon per 1 Lb. of Coffee or Tea.
--it says "oil" but does not list any oils in the ingredients. The glycerin may give it an oil-type consistency.
No, I haven't so far. I'm getting ready to order some more (as if I really needed any more bottles of flavoring on my counter!) so I'll probably get one flavor of powder to try.
Will have to experiment on the best way of using powdered flavoring. I'm thinking it should be pre-dissolved before combining with the nic juice, and maybe filtered in case a few particles didn't dissolve completely.
Oops... ingredient update on powdered flavoring:
flavor concentrates with dextrose and silicate
Dextrose = sugar Not good for atomizers.
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This was a very interesting flavoring company...I can't say from the web site, but it looks like those coffee flavoring oils may also work very well, and seem to be colorless or near it. They don't show an actual photo of the product. That would be fine too, may cut down on any dissolution problems, and build up in the cartridge fillers. ? I may give these a try, my daughter is fond of flavored coffees, so if it doesn't work for me will just pass it forward!
Was also interested in the sweetener drops Stevia Leaf Extract....sweetener, flavor enhancer..this was kind of controversial in the 70's, they used it to make saccarin sweeteners, but I see now it's approved all over the world. Now said to lower blood pressure, decrease osteoporosis. Hmmm. Pepsi, Coca-cola companies use it ? Ingredients: Water, Ethyl alcohol, Stevia Leaf Extract
Am curious if it would take the place of the fickle Ethyl Maltol. It comes in drop form.
Their shipping is FedEx, $11+, kinda high, but that's one more of the drawbacks of trying new things.
Yes, NIX the dextrose (powdered flavors), you're right MaxUT
[edit] this is very much a side-bar article, about Stevia extract. Enlightening in reference to statements about the FDA also!
Was also interested in the sweetener drops Stevia Leaf Extract....sweetener, flavor enhancer..this was kind of controversial in the 70's, they used it to make saccarin sweeteners, but I see now it's approved all over the world. Now said to lower blood pressure, decrease osteoporosis. Hmmm. Pepsi, Coca-cola companies use it ? Ingredients: Water, Ethyl alcohol, Stevia Leaf Extract
Am curious if it would take the place of the fickle Ethyl Maltol. It comes in drop form.
Their shipping is FedEx, $11+, kinda high, but that's one more of the drawbacks of trying new things.
Yes, NIX the dextrose (powdered flavors), you're right MaxUT
[edit] this is very much a side-bar article, about Stevia extract. Enlightening in reference to statements about the FDA also!
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Kate,
Thanks for the terrific recipe. I love it and it does get better with age. Mine is probably not exactly like yours because I don't follow directions well. LOL I'll explain more in a PM but wanted to put this out here to encourage others to go for it! You will be very pleased with the results if you are a fan of JC's Original or a reasonable facsimile.
Lynn
PS I just order the "blond" for next time.
PPS Kate, you can buy Stevia in most grocery stores now and in all health food stores-would save on the shipping. I comes in drops and also in powder form, I believe. It's my favorite sweetener and I wish they would put it in the US versions of diet sodas.
Thanks for the terrific recipe. I love it and it does get better with age. Mine is probably not exactly like yours because I don't follow directions well. LOL I'll explain more in a PM but wanted to put this out here to encourage others to go for it! You will be very pleased with the results if you are a fan of JC's Original or a reasonable facsimile.
Lynn
PS I just order the "blond" for next time.
PPS Kate, you can buy Stevia in most grocery stores now and in all health food stores-would save on the shipping. I comes in drops and also in powder form, I believe. It's my favorite sweetener and I wish they would put it in the US versions of diet sodas.
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Really glad you liked it, and yes there's room for fudging it and still coming out ok! Not that many components.
I looked in our grocery stores but didn't see any Stevia liquid, but have some on the way. Thanks for trying the recipe!!
[EDIT] NOTE: I've done something a little off the recipe, and made a concoction of the Hazelnut and Caramel flavors: I mixed 2ml of each in 3ml of EverClear. It seems to mix much easier and suspends better in the VG. (I was getting a residue ring in my needle bottle)
Now stays suspended, and I do believe may be a tiny bit more vapor?? May be cutting or digesting some of the sugar just a bit? (The Caramel, that is. The Hazelnut I don't think listed sugar, but would imagine there's some starch or cellulose in that.)
Maybe I'm just wacky. My husband just noted the Quart of EverClear in the cupboard tonight. Ha! Now he thinks I'm really a mad scientist...told him to get his own, that was mine! Gonna vape it all! Might take awhile.
Just a thought for some who want to also try coffee extracts, etc., to cut the flavors in EverClear. Not scientific, for sure, just thought I'd throw it out here and see if anyone else has any ideas on the subject. Good things can always be made better.
I looked in our grocery stores but didn't see any Stevia liquid, but have some on the way. Thanks for trying the recipe!!
[EDIT] NOTE: I've done something a little off the recipe, and made a concoction of the Hazelnut and Caramel flavors: I mixed 2ml of each in 3ml of EverClear. It seems to mix much easier and suspends better in the VG. (I was getting a residue ring in my needle bottle)
Now stays suspended, and I do believe may be a tiny bit more vapor?? May be cutting or digesting some of the sugar just a bit? (The Caramel, that is. The Hazelnut I don't think listed sugar, but would imagine there's some starch or cellulose in that.)
Maybe I'm just wacky. My husband just noted the Quart of EverClear in the cupboard tonight. Ha! Now he thinks I'm really a mad scientist...told him to get his own, that was mine! Gonna vape it all! Might take awhile.
Just a thought for some who want to also try coffee extracts, etc., to cut the flavors in EverClear. Not scientific, for sure, just thought I'd throw it out here and see if anyone else has any ideas on the subject. Good things can always be made better.
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I have some news about the flavorings from Nature's Flavors.com.
First, it took almost 3 weeks to get it. Shipping was FedEx, $11.95, a little high for the "wait" time I thought.
The flavors I got were the "Coffee and Tea Flavor Oil", but the ingredients didn't specify any oil, only Glycerine, Natural Flavors, and Ethyl Alcohol.
Which I thought would be ideal for e-juice flavoring. They are also nearly colorless, which to me means no solids in the liquids, which I also thought would be a plus for "clean" vaping. I got Caramel and Hazelnut. While the "flavors" were very pungent and strong by smell, when mixed with VG-nic and plain VG, the smell was wonderful, however there was next to no "taste" in my vapor. Vapor also seemed very diminished with a 20% flavor mix with my juices.
So am afraid I have to report these as a Thumbs Down for e-juice flavoring.
Wow, I'm gonna have to do some serious baking to get these things used up!
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This was excellent Kate! Thanks so much. I'm looking forward to trying this soon. Our social group is gearing up to doing some DIY and I'll see that everyone gets a copy of your recipe and sources.
Share away, that's what it's all about...I just mixed up another batch, it's so fun to DIY!! And when you have the "mixes" done up ahead of time, it's just a matter of measuring, and I stress again, to use the 'milliliter' measure, it's just easier than trying to drip drops. I love my new "old" Original!
Sorry Kate, figured it might be worth a try.
A flavor that does work: Capella Pumpkin Pie Spice -- very tasty!
I mixed some with Krystal and Lorann Honey, and it's great, love this new juice taste! Smells pretty awesome too...the taste even holds up well at 5.0 volts, comparing flavors between Prodigy with 510.
Next I'm trying ECOpure Rich with the Spice, should also be good.
We gave it a good try MaxUT, that's all we can do. I was really hoping for a good source of sugarless and clear flavoring liquid, but so far the Spice Barn is my preference. I do filter the whole batch through a double layer of tea bags, to remove any possible residue. Don't want anything sticking to the atty, don't need that. My daughter loves flavored coffee's, so will just give it to her. They're made to thin with water and spray onto coffee grounds. They smell wonderful, just no taste. Same trouble as with that "oil" from Perfumer's.
I haven't heard back from anyone using the Lorann's Flavorings, would be interesting to see if they work as well, I understand they're quite strongly flavored as well. I think price-wise they would run about the same money as Spice Barn.
You like the ECOpure VG's as well? I'm sure sold on it. Very clean.
I do like ECOpure. I've bought the Rich and also tried the Krystal after you recommended it-- bought 60ml so far and I'll be getting more soon. Very clean taste, doesn't muddy up the flavors you add.
I've been ordering from Cignot and really appreciate their fast shipping. I like the website too, nice and uncluttered (unlike my desk and my mixing area...).
I've been ordering from Cignot and really appreciate their fast shipping. I like the website too, nice and uncluttered (unlike my desk and my mixing area...).
Maybe that's how she gets stuff out the door so fast! Really, just like ECOpure, simple, efficient. My poor kitchen counter is catching heck again, must be time to clean. I already did it once~! Hate that.
Seems a bit too much for me also.
Steps 1-5 would be fine, but step 1 is really a whole other set of steps and ingredients....The Tobacco Mix, Ethyl Maltol mix
Plus is this for real? or are you just kidding?
"Don't Forget to hang some of these around the entryways and any open windows, and use a gas mask and goggles for safety:
Is the new Johnson Creek juice that bad that one must go thru all this?
Seems like they would lose all their customers and just go broke if this is the case.
Sorry for the rant, just thinking out loud.
Steps 1-5 would be fine, but step 1 is really a whole other set of steps and ingredients....The Tobacco Mix, Ethyl Maltol mix
Plus is this for real? or are you just kidding?
"Don't Forget to hang some of these around the entryways and any open windows, and use a gas mask and goggles for safety:
Is the new Johnson Creek juice that bad that one must go thru all this?
Seems like they would lose all their customers and just go broke if this is the case.
Sorry for the rant, just thinking out loud.
That's ok, rant away.
But you need to expand your sense of humor a bit.
The HazMat thing is kind of a private joke at my house.
The rest is very serious stuff, because here I am sitting enjoying the heck out of having my own juice that I always loved but cannot buy anymore. By the way, New JC is PG based, which I can't tolerate. And the whole formula is changed.
That's not funny. You do have to get everything prepared (i.e., Ethyle Maltol dissolved, and tobacco absolute in solution in a pleasant taste/smell ratio) to be able to mix up a $6 30-ml batch easily, that's all. Same way if you want a pizza, I'd say. If you can't buy it, do without?? No. Make it yourself. It is simple to do, just looks complicated moreso because I write wordy!
The only way to know if this is something you can do you have to try, that's all. That's what we do in DIY. Then we share in the ups and downs, the expense and the time dedicated is our own.
But you need to expand your sense of humor a bit.
The HazMat thing is kind of a private joke at my house.
The rest is very serious stuff, because here I am sitting enjoying the heck out of having my own juice that I always loved but cannot buy anymore. By the way, New JC is PG based, which I can't tolerate. And the whole formula is changed.
That's not funny. You do have to get everything prepared (i.e., Ethyle Maltol dissolved, and tobacco absolute in solution in a pleasant taste/smell ratio) to be able to mix up a $6 30-ml batch easily, that's all. Same way if you want a pizza, I'd say. If you can't buy it, do without?? No. Make it yourself. It is simple to do, just looks complicated moreso because I write wordy!
The only way to know if this is something you can do you have to try, that's all. That's what we do in DIY. Then we share in the ups and downs, the expense and the time dedicated is our own.
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Kate I am sure you are probably correct on all points. Nice job on coming up with this!
I am going over the list and I was wondering how important the blonde is in your opinion?
It is very pricey because of the size you have to buy.
$37.04 1/6 oz.
I am going over the list and I was wondering how important the blonde is in your opinion?
It is very pricey because of the size you have to buy.
$37.04 1/6 oz.
Very pricey: It was $50 for my last order with the shipping, but I use so little it will last a long time, but no, not needed.
I have tried it three ways, with just Rustica (the best taste, MO) Just Blond (a little too mild) and with both, for my own use I need both, I like a high-flavor tobacco but it's too strong with Rustica alone for daily vaping, so blond tones it down a bit, makes it a little milder without sacrificing the great flavor of tobacco. You could just decrease the amount of absolute in the mix, but still use the same amount of mix, but that does weaken the flavor a bit. Some people like to use more.
But it is just a matter of taste, these 'mix' ingredients can be altered to suit. Just keep the end-amount consistent, ml-wise. If you want more caramel, use more of that and cut back on hazelnut, etc.
Suggest starting with small batches!
But with all ingredients as listed it is a good close match for the Old JC. This is the only juice I use.
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