Johnson Creek with PBT Mod

[Cowboy Dan]

Just got my first order of juice today from Johnson Creek, Black Cherry and Tennessee Cured flavors (reduced PG). Upon reading several posts on the PBT mods (hxj was a big help on this) I decided to take some of my empty carts, fill 'em with some PET and give it a go. All I can say is WOW! Getting twice as much vapor from this as snapping a new cart of stock Blu juice on, and waiting alot less time between draws. Great throat hit. If you are looking to get rid of your Blu (as i was about to), I'd urge anyone to try this out before you do. It really does work.....for me, it exceeded expectations. Thanks again to all for the advice. I think I can finally give up analogs if it keeps performing like this.

Gonna go vape some more and not get frustrated for a change!

 

[Philo]

Hey:

I'm a semi-frustrated Blu owner who's been toying with it as well as of late. I'm still experimenting with Fluval for stuffing the cart, but want to give the PBT a go. I looked through your post history, but couldn't find specifics on how to tea bag the tiny Blu inner carts. Can you post brief instructions or point me in the direction of them?

Thanks in advance.

 

[Cowboy Dan]

Sure thing....Basically, take the teabags, pull at the seams to undo them, dump out the tea. The teabag will now have a rectangular shape.

Fold it in half (where the short sides of the rectangle are flush) and cut in half.

Take one of the halves and make inward folds (like rolling, only you're folding) until you have about 8- 10 good folds.

Undo the folded piece, and cut along the fold indentions (vertically, with the folds) until you have cut all of them. Cut to about 1/8".

Next, roll the teabag up small enough to fit the cart, not too tightly, just tight enough to fit the cart insert. Insert the tea bag cut end down until it touches the bottom of the insert. Cut flush to top of insert.

You can use the half you cut off to make another wick, just follow the same instructions, only it's already half done because you've prefolded. You can make 4 wicks total using this method.

My experience with it has been great.

 

[Philo]

ty, dan. Your instructions are pretty clear. I just got some pyramid tea bags from my local grocery store, and will try it later today.

 

[Cowboy Dan]

Np at all, hope it works as well for you as it has me. On a side note, and I will probably catch hell for this, I just got a 510 in with some empty carts. Using the exact same method as above (with a couple modifications due to bigger cart size) I am more impressed with the Blu on this particular mod. Don't know if I've got a dud or what, but the Blu outperforms it thus far. Maybe my atty just hasn't gotten broken in yet. We shalls see.

 

[ajm79]

I'm gonna have to try this too!!! I hate the stocks carts! I've been dipping the last few days and lovin that but I need some good carts for on the go. If you pack them and screw on attys do they leak in the PCC?

 

[Cowboy Dan]

Not at all, just store them as you say with atty attached, atty end up and you're good to go. Same with an attached atty/cart to battery...in this case, led light up.

The PET works well for keeping juice in, just don't overfill.

 

[Philo]

I did the mod, and am pretty happy with it. It seems to work as well, or maybe a little better than fluval, but I can't say I'm blown away by it upon first impression. Pretty cool, though! It certainly didn't look like the PTB would hold any liquid given its loose packing, but it does a good job. I can turn the inside cart of a Blu upside down with noting coming out as long as I don't overflow it.

I'm gonna try side-by-side comparisons with fluval and PTB on my Blu and Janty Stick v2 with the 801 cart & atty for a little bit to see if I can experience the difference over a couple of days.

Thanks again, dan. Your instructions worked to a... tea. Including the 4 carts per half-bag ratio.

 

[Cowboy Dan]

Glad you got good results, Philo. I think that my experience with the amount of vapor had more to do with Johnson Creek juice than the mod itself. Before I was using the stock juice...but I do find the PET drains a cart better than the fluval, and because it creates more surface area, I can get more juice in.

 

[Philo]

The weird thing is that I'm using JC juice, too, but it's low nic and full PG. I've just tried some Janty clove and it's much better. I'm wondering if it's my JC juice? It's not putting much vapor out of my stick, either.

The weird thing is my last batch of JC juice was fine. It was just full nic instead of low.

Meh. I'll be troubleshooting over the next few days to see what the source of the problem is. That's why vaping's a hobby, I suppose!

 

[Cowboy Dan]

It may be your juice....I got 3 flavors right now- original, Tennesse Cured and black cherry. Of the three, the Tennesse cured puts out huge vapor, original a close second, and the black cherry puts out little to none at times. Really dissappointed with the black cherry, not so hot taste to me, or maybe I just got a bad batch. I'm using medium nic, all reduced PG which I've heard actually puts out more vapor? Could be wrong on that.

What's the janty clove like? I haven't had a clove in years, was wondering how that translated over to vapor.

Also, do you know of any good tobbacco flavored juice? Something with a little more realism...I like the JC juice, really tasty, but doesn't really have that authentic tobacco taste.

And believe it or not, I'm still getting better vapor from my blu than the 510 I got today. Really kinda disappointing.

 

[Philo]

It may be your juice....I got 3 flavors right now- original, Tennesse Cured and black cherry. Of the three, the Tennesse cured puts out huge vapor, original a close second, and the black cherry puts out little to none at times. Really dissappointed with the black cherry, not so hot taste to me, or maybe I just got a bad batch.

Yeah. I'm using original & TC right now, too. My first batch of all-PG medium nic from JC gave me a similar experience: TC and original put out a lot of vapor, but chocolate truffle was sorta lame - subtle taste and mediocre vapor. Which is why I'm finding it strange that they're currently not vaping well in either my stick or Blu.

To add insult to injury, I popped on one of my prefilled original tobacco carts from Blu and got a good throat hit and good vapor (which has been my normal experience with that flavor from Blu - but I think the taste sucks). So it's not my Blu's hardware. It's either the juice, the filler, or a combo of both.

I'm using medium nic, all reduced PG which I've heard actually puts out more vapor? Could be wrong on that.

That's what I've heard, too, but never used reduced PG. Nic shouldn't affect vapor AFAIK, but it may affect throat hit.

What's the janty clove like? I haven't had a clove in years, was wondering how that translated over to vapor.

Pretty decent. Good vapor production (from my previous cart stuffing), moderate throat hit. It's way more spicy than sweet, though. It doesn't taste like Djarum.

Also, do you know of any good tobbacco flavored juice? Something with a little more realism...I like the JC juice, really tasty, but doesn't really have that authentic tobacco taste.

I've heard that Winston & Turkish from goodprophets is somewhat close, but I've not tried it myself as I'm pretty stocked up on JC and Janty juice for now. I have Janty Tobacco, but haven't tried it yet.

And believe it or not, I'm still getting better vapor from my blu than the 510 I got today. Really kinda disappointing.

I don't have a 510, but from what I've read, I find that incredible.

 

[Cowboy Dan]

Hmm, that really surprises me if it is the filler. I have had really great success with the PTB mod. Have you tried your current stock with fluval and with PET? I'm curious to hear your findings. If I had a digital camera I'd post a vid on you tube...I think everyone would be surprised. Maybe I just got extremely lucky on several levels, but my blu is performing extremely well with the mod.

Thanks for the suggestions on flavors. I figure once my JC stock diminishes I'll be ordering some different juice just to get a feel for what is out there. My wife in particular is really looking for a fix for the tobacco taste. I think for her, it's less about nicotine addiction, and more about habit.

How's the janty stick? One of these days, when I get rich, I'd love to shop around just to try the different brands of e-cigs out there.

 

[Philo]

Have you tried your current stock with fluval and with PET?

I just finished freshly packing 801 and Blu carts with both and filling them with 3 of my juices, so I'll be testing it out in the next couple of days.

How's the janty stick? One of these days, when I get rich, I'd love to shop around just to try the different brands of e-cigs out there.

I really like the stick. I bought it to be a little-fuss PV because of it's big cart (801) and long battery life, and that's exactly what I got. I primarily use it at home because of it's passthrough ability and also because its paint comes off easily when I take it in and out of the holster that it comes with. The only downside of it IMO is the aesthetic one.

I'm kinda a minimalist, so I hope to stick with the Blu and Stick to see if they suit my needs. I'm still weening off of analogs, but have gone down from around 15 a day to 3. If worst comes to worst, I'll wind up getting one of those heavy-hitting 510 mods to finish off my analog habit.

 

[Nepenthy]

I think the Blu's have the round cart with the small opaque cartridge inside. For those Ive found a quilling tool to be instrumental. You can get them at most arts and craft stores. It allows you to roll the PTB really tight, so you can put it in the cart easier and then let it unravel and expand inside the cart.

 

[Cowboy Dan]

Nepenthy,

I really haven't found that to be a problem, fitting the PTB in the insert. From my experience with it, less is more. It doesn't seem to do well when you cram the PET in there as tight as you can from my tests.

I was noticing tonight refillling and rinsing, the PET does great emptying a cart, but it does however leave some juice on the wick. So there is a tad bit of waste, but not near the amount i was getting with the stock filler.

Philo,

It seems the 510 has really started to do it's thing. I'm not as impressed as i thought I would be even at it's current level vs. blu. More vapor, but at the expense of longer draw times. It is more consistent, I will give it that.

Does the janty stick vape better with the passthru? Was wondering if that might help on the 510 if that were the case.

 

[Nepenthy]

Im glad its easy for ya, Cowboy. Back when I was loading these type of carts, I was doing a couple dozen at a time and didnt have the time for the trial and error PTB rolling when sometimes the roll was too thick to fit in the cart. While I agree the least amount of PTB the better, not enough will cause it to leak unless you are using a really thick juice. Now Im on to 801 carts and dont have to worry about it, but the quiller tool may come in handy for some, maybe with those with poor eyesight, or who want to get the diameter right on the first shot.

 

[Philo]

Does the janty stick vape better with the passthru? Was wondering if that might help on the 510 if that were the case.

Not as far as I can tell. Just less fuss worrying about the battery.

 

[Cowboy Dan]

Was looking at what exactly a quilling tool was, and you're right nepenthy, looks like it would definitely be custom made for working with the PET. Looks like you could really manipulate the rolls and folds much easier than by hand. I may go pick one up.

 

[Philo]

I realized I read your instructions wrong, dan, as I just cut up EACH SECTION of the PTB up to 1/8 inch. That left a whole intact section of the PTB roll in each cart rubbing up against the atty, with the frayed part at the bottom of the cart.

After making new carts with fully shredded PTB in both my Stick and the Blu, I have to say that the Blu's doing a great job with it. My JS, OTOH, isn't that great with it. Lots of leakage and crappy vapor production.

I'm still experimenting with JC Tennessee Cured and on my first day of comparisons. But so far, I'd say Fluval's better for large carts and PTB for small carts. I'll see how things go.