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Jammin

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Why do you prefer to do this over dripping into the filler with the cap off? It seems so much cleaner and quicker to drip into the filler with the cap off. DO you just not want to take the cap off?

EDIT: while re-reading this thread I realized that this is the geniune Joye 510 cartos which cannot be refilled the same as the BOGE.

What do you mean? I don't keep the cap on when I drip into the carto. I drip directly into the threaded side, there is no cap on.

And just an update since I have not been on this thread for awhile, I can say I have been refilling cignot cartos for a few weeks now without a syringe, with scrowell's method, and it has worked fantastic with very little effort.

NOt one syringe in my house.
 

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I’ve been using only genuine Joye 510 cartos since watching cozzicons videos...

Personally... I find them better than the other soft tip ones I was using…Better hitting, better flavor, more consistant vape..and the longer length sticking up out of the cone sleeve on my ego is more appealing to me....The only thing I’ve found(as also mentioned in the video) is that you don’t get much..if any...notice when they are about to dry out …..

I’ve also been filling them via the syringe method…I just tried the dripping method through the threaded end(keep in mind that I’ve already had pierced the filler hole )…I managed 25 drops of juice before I had any drip out from the other end( I also removed the mouth tip and inner insert to look for any dripping)…

I can’t say that I noticed any difference in the performance of the carto using either method…I’m going to try another test later using new empty ones and a scale…one without piecing the filler hole , one with piecing the filler hole, and one using the recommended syringe method…..

Unless I see a drastic difference in how much juice I can stuff into them…I’ll switch over to the drop method…
 

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What do you mean? I don't keep the cap on when I drip into the carto. I drip directly into the threaded side, there is no cap on.

I think guitardedmark mistakingly thought you were using the cartos that you can just pop the soft cap and drip into the carto from the top...Which would make more sense than filling from the threaded end...Hence...the reason for his edit....
 

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I’ve been using only genuine Joye 510 cartos since watching cozzicons videos...

Personally... I find them better than the other soft tip ones I was using…Better hitting, better flavor, more consistant vape..and the longer length sticking up out of the cone sleeve on my ego is more appealing to me....The only thing I’ve found(as also mentioned in the video) is that you don’t get much..if any...notice when they are about to dry out …..

I’ve also been filling them via the syringe method…I just tried the dripping method through the threaded end(keep in mind that I’ve already had pierced the filler hole )…I managed 25 drops of juice before I had any drip out from the other end( I also removed the mouth tip and inner insert to look for any dripping)…

I can’t say that I noticed any difference in the performance of the carto using either method…I’m going to try another test later using new empty ones and a scale…one without piecing the filler hole , one with piecing the filler hole, and one using the recommended syringe method…..

Unless I see a drastic difference in how much juice I can stuff into them…I’ll switch over to the drop method…

I've also been comparing syringe and "batt-hole" method, but without weighing, since I don't have a small enough scale. I think it quickly becomes academic and moot as to which method might hold a few more drops. In fact, I would advise against trying to fill it to the maximum, since this will likely cause you to get juice in your mouth and may flood the atty in the cartomizer. If you use automatic batteries, as I do, overfilling risks getting the battery terminals wet, causing it to short out and die.

When you compare the common sense of refilling quickly or especially away from home, you can just keep a small juice bottle in your pocket and in a minute or so refill your carto without any tools, not even a paper clip. Just pop off the bottle cap, drip into the batt-hole, and you're back in business.

You don't even need a tissue to clean up, if you're careful not to overfill. You can wipe the tiny amount of residue on the batt connector with a fingertip or on your jeans. However, I do recommend having a tissue in hand no matter what method of refilling you choose. You should always keep the battery connector clean and dry, and you may need to twist the tissue to a point and clean the inside of the battery female connection.
 

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I just got some of these and I've had a lot of problems with wicking. I watched cozz videos and I couldnt figure out how to pierce the filling hole. When i opened them up I couldnt see the filling holes. I decided to try the condom method on the threaded end and at first they tasted good but then they just taste like ....
 

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I LOVE the genuine Joye 510 cartos! They taste the closest to a cart and atty that I have found. The hole is hard to pierce when it is new, and they are a PITA to fill with a syringe, but it's worth it to me! Constant good taste and vape for quite a while before they dry out! I have been using the same 3 for 3 days and they are still working like a charm! I use them on my EGO and my RIVA with great results! I think I finally found my "sweet" spot with these things!

I've ordered some XLs to try out - can't wait for them to get here!

I have tried the CE2, V4's and don't like them at all - they gurgle on me and they are not consistent at all.

I like the convenience of cartos and never thought I'd find one that tastes and vapes as good as the 510's! :)
 

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Never did get a chance to try filling any new cartos ….But I did drive around all day vaping back and forth with my 2 used ones(one filled only with syringe and one by dripping into threaded end)…I had both mounted on fresh batteries(one with a button protector to tell ‘em apart)…

The syringe filled one continued to perform flawless…the other…not so good…developed kind of a brunt taste to it…’Course I was dealing with used cartos here…so I can’t say if the filling method had anything to do with it…It may be a coincidence and it’s just worn out…

Regardless…after contemplating the whole situation some more…I think I’ll take back what I said and continue to use the syringe to fill them…My reasons…I’ve got plenty of these things…and I always carry enough filled ones that I’m not likely to have to fill any on the fly….The syringe thing is no big deal to me…I live alone…no kids or pets to worry about…and it’s really not that much of a hassle to fill them with it…I also use the mega cartos…which I can only seem to fill with the syringe anyway….

My head is starting to hurt…I wish I never saw this thread…I was happy as a clam till you all got me all worked up and trying to analyze every vape like I was a friggin taste tester…lol…Just joking…Whatever works for you…
 

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I just got some of these and I've had a lot of problems with wicking. I watched cozz videos and I couldnt figure out how to pierce the filling hole. When i opened them up I couldnt see the filling holes. I decided to try the condom method on the threaded end and at first they tasted good but then they just taste like ....

Perhaps you used the wrong kind of condoms.:evil::laugh:
 

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Hi there, I am just a newbie, I started vaping in Sept. so my knowledge is fairly limited. But I have to say my experience with the new CE-2v4 510 cartos has been really good. They are at 2.5 ohm resistence so with a eGo battery they produce nice warm, plentiful vapor. The taste is as good or better then dripping and they have a nice light draw. It almost seems like they squirt warm vapor into my mouth just by hitting the button.
For me at least, they are really easy to fill. Just fill your syringe with about 1 ml and use the plastic tip that comes with them to put 1/2 a ml each in the two holes in the white inner ring, let them stand up for about 5 mins and you are good to go.
What I do is thread the plastic tip into the hole, then fill the syringe up using a steel tip, then I take that off and fix the syringe onto the plastic tip that is already in the hole. Even easier than the condom fill method and less messy.
The only thing I can't address is their longevity. My oldest one is about two weeks old and on its third refill, so far so good.
As I am typing, I am vaping Viking Vapor RY4 80/20 mix on an eGo batt. and it is very satisfying.
However, where the carts really shine is when I use a mod with a 18650 battery, wow massive vapor.
 
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For me at least, they are really easy to fill. Just fill your syringe with about 1 ml and use the plastic tip that comes with them to put 1/2 a ml each in the two holes in the white inner ring, let them stand up for about 5 mins and you are good to go.
What I do is thread the plastic tip into the hole, then fill the syringe up using a steel tip, then I take that off and fix the syringe onto the plastic tip that is already in the hole. Even easier than the condom fill method and less messy.
The only thing I can't address is their longevity. My oldest one is about two weeks old and on its third refill, so far so good.
As I am typing, I am vaping Viking Vapor RY4 80/20 mix on an eGo batt. and it is very satisfying.
However, where the carts really shine is when I use a mod with a 18650 battery, wow massive vapor.

No need to let the CE2's sit, no filler in them that needs to assorb the fluid. I've got a few that have been refilled over a dozen times.
 

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Wow. Do all cartomizers for the joye 510 have to be filled in the manner described in the vid? If so, I think i'll keep my carts and just keep using drops. The syringe method looks so time consuming. HOw long does that filled cartomizer last? Anyone?

I like the taste of the joye 510 and the drip method into the cartridges, however,they are a lot of maintenance too as they dont last long on charge and they dont hold a lot of ejuice in the filler. That is why i thought i'd try the cartomizer. But unless that cartomizer lasts a good deal longer I'm not sure it is much easier, if at all.

I am still trying to figure out what works best for me, so pardon all my questions.

I got these recently and am VERY happy with them. No syringe, no condom method, I just put the drops into the threaded end. IMHO, the cartos from Good Prophets are easier to fill than the others because there's like a little "well" that's easier for my bad eyes and shaky hand to fill that the other cartos that I got!

Empty Joye 510 Cartomizers for 510 or eGo
 

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I just picked up a bunch of these due to the OPs review...

<SNIP>

A side note...I haven't been jamming a needle in there...I've only been pushing it in a few mm like was stated before...I've had no issues.

Just placed another order for 8 packs :)

Nice job on that review, Sense Field. Since there was no date on the video, I don't know if the review was done yesterday or months ago. But since anyone reading this will assume it was made around the date you posted it here, I feel the need to set the record straight on a few things, with those folks in mind. I hope you don't mind.

First off, I bought my Joye cartomizers and the PCC (carrying case with charger built in) to go with them at the same time last month from Cignot.com. It only holds one battery and one cartomizer, though, with two shorter slots for atomizer and cartridge. I guess they're trying to accommodate both types. But it is definitely available. At least it gives you the option of carrying a spare battery and spare cartomizer in the carrying case while you have an active battery and cartomizer in use.

Secondly, the cartomizers are available pre-filled, in regular and menthol, in several nicotine strengths. As far as I can tell, the e-juice inside is Joye brand, as the pre-filled cartomizers are factory sealed and labeled. Again, I get mine from cignot.com, so I don't know what other stores offer.

Thirdly, we have GOT to kill this myth about requiring a syringe to fill them! I've made several posts in this thread and others explaining how to fill with either the so-called "condom method" and by just dripping into the battery hole of the cartomizer, which is the method I use most and strongly prefer. I've been using the syringe method, just to be sure it wasn't vastly superior, and I promise everyone that it is NOT. Using the syringe to refill them requires not only the syringe, which isn't something most people have around the house, but you have to remove two pieces of the mouthpiece then puncture the fill port with something sharp but sturdier than the syringe needle... pant! pant!... before you can even get to the part of drawing your e-liquid into the syringe then finding the little fill port with the needle, and making sure you don't put in too much or put it in too fast... pant! pant!... and then putting it all back together and putting the syringe away safely, etc. Screw that! Just take your drip bottle and place a drop on the hole in the threaded end, wait for it to soak in, drip again, repeat as needed, and in a minute you've refilled it. I recommend about 16 drops this way. It's quick, easy, and the least messy method I know of. You'll want to let that juice soak into the filler inside for at least a half hour before using, giving it time to absorb. If you accidentally overfill it, remove it from the battery, and blow a short burst or two through the mouthpiece, like a whistle, into a tissue to blow out the excess liquid. Then wipe everything dry, including inside the battery fitting, before trying it again.

Fourthly, I would heartily recommend the Joye 510 and prefilled cartomizers to any newbie just starting out with vaping. Once you get the hang of it, you'll easily start refilling your empties as I described, and off you go!

And here's a strong warning: the first sign the juice is running dry is a bad taste. You'll get a taste that's either weak or tastes burnt. STOP RIGHT THERE! If you continue to try and get those last few drags, you'll end up putting a permanent burnt taste in the cartomizer. If you go too far, it'll taste like burnt plastic, and you may as well throw that one away and start a fresh one. But if you baby it, and don't try to vape every drop, you can refill these things many times and they will still work great and taste great.

And I urge against trying to get too much e-juice inside, whether on the first fill of a blank or a refill. It's far better to start off with about 12-16 drops of liquid per fill, then as you get more informed and more accustomed to it, you can find the upper limit for yourself, but it's really not worth it. If you overfill, you'll end up sucking nicotine juice into your mouth, and that's the better of two problems. The worse problem is that you'll end up leaking juice around the seam where the battery fits to the cartomizer, which is quite messy, and juice will leak into the battery, possibly shorting it out. With even the small Joye 510 battery costing around $12, that's not something you want to do. I've learned this the hard way. :blush:

I hope this helps.
 

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Nice review I'll have to try some out. I've seen some vids where people managed to take them apart by threading them on the 510 a bit then pulling the outer sleeve up and off. Would it be possible to replace the filling going in from the top?

I've thought about this too, Squid. Or is it TL? Anyway, it gives me a mental picture of the ancient Egyptian mummifiers removing the brain of a cadaver through the nasal opening. I'm sure it can be done with the right tools and enormous patience, but sheesh!! It's a hole the size of a pencil point that leads from the mouth opening into the fiber chamber. It's shaped similar to a beer bottle, in extreme miniature. If I was going to try to replace that filler with some kind of modification, which I'm sorely tempted to try someday, I would just open the battery end and then find some adhesive that won't melt or smoke when the atty gets hot so I could put it back together. Superglue turns to poison gas, I believe, when heated, so that would worry me. But when I've accidentally overtightened a carto onto a battery on a few occasions, the atomizer part was intact, still attached to the battery, while the casing and filler pulled clean away. It still worked when I put the case back on the atty, but it was loose enough that removing from the carto from the battery in one piece was a problem.
 
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I've thought about this too, Squid. Or is it TL? Anyway, it gives me a mental picture of the ancient Egyptian mummifiers removing the brain of a cadaver through the nasal opening. I'm sure it can be done with the right tools and enormous patience, but sheesh!! It's a hole the size of a pencil point that leads from the mouth opening into the fiber chamber. It's shaped similar to a beer bottle, in extreme miniature. If I was going to try to replace that filler with some kind of modification, which I'm sorely tempted to try someday, I would just open the battery end and then find some adhesive that won't melt or smoke when the atty gets hot so I could put it back together. Superglue turns to poison gas, I believe, when heated, so that would worry me. But when I've accidentally overtightened a carto onto a battery on a few occasions, the atomizer part was intact, still attached to the battery, while the casing and filler pulled clean away. It still worked when I put the case back on the atty, but it was loose enough that removing from the carto from the battery in one piece was a problem.

Either is fine, once I get some I'll have to play around with one, wasn't sure exactly how open the top is if you remove the piece with the filler holes. Worth a shot I suppose once the filler gets nasty enough to give it a try. I have some epoxy thats meant to withstand high temps that might be good for the job.
 

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srcowell, do you puncture the fill hole in the carto the first time before you drip thru the threads or is that not necessary?

Nice job on that review, Sense Field. Since there was no date on the video, I don't know if the review was done yesterday or months ago. But since anyone reading this will assume it was made around the date you posted it here, I feel the need to set the record straight on a few things, with those folks in mind. I hope you don't mind.

First off, I bought my Joye cartomizers and the PCC (carrying case with charger built in) to go with them at the same time last month from Cignot.com. It only holds one battery and one cartomizer, though, with two shorter slots for atomizer and cartridge. I guess they're trying to accommodate both types. But it is definitely available. At least it gives you the option of carrying a spare battery and spare cartomizer in the carrying case while you have an active battery and cartomizer in use.

Secondly, the cartomizers are available pre-filled, in regular and menthol, in several nicotine strengths. As far as I can tell, the e-juice inside is Joye brand, as the pre-filled cartomizers are factory sealed and labeled. Again, I get mine from cignot.com, so I don't know what other stores offer.

Thirdly, we have GOT to kill this myth about requiring a syringe to fill them! I've made several posts in this thread and others explaining how to fill with either the so-called "condom method" and by just dripping into the battery hole of the cartomizer, which is the method I use most and strongly prefer. I've been using the syringe method, just to be sure it wasn't vastly superior, and I promise everyone that it is NOT. Using the syringe to refill them requires not only the syringe, which isn't something most people have around the house, but you have to remove two pieces of the mouthpiece then puncture the fill port with something sharp but sturdier than the syringe needle... pant! pant!... before you can even get to the part of drawing your e-liquid into the syringe then finding the little fill port with the needle, and making sure you don't put in too much or put it in too fast... pant! pant!... and then putting it all back together and putting the syringe away safely, etc. Screw that! Just take your drip bottle and place a drop on the hole in the threaded end, wait for it to soak in, drip again, repeat as needed, and in a minute you've refilled it. I recommend about 16 drops this way. It's quick, easy, and the least messy method I know of. You'll want to let that juice soak into the filler inside for at least a half hour before using, giving it time to absorb. If you accidentally overfill it, remove it from the battery, and blow a short burst or two through the mouthpiece, like a whistle, into a tissue to blow out the excess liquid. Then wipe everything dry, including inside the battery fitting, before trying it again.

Fourthly, I would heartily recommend the Joye 510 and prefilled cartomizers to any newbie just starting out with vaping. Once you get the hang of it, you'll easily start refilling your empties as I described, and off you go!

And here's a strong warning: the first sign the juice is running dry is a bad taste. You'll get a taste that's either weak or tastes burnt. STOP RIGHT THERE! If you continue to try and get those last few drags, you'll end up putting a permanent burnt taste in the cartomizer. If you go too far, it'll taste like burnt plastic, and you may as well throw that one away and start a fresh one. But if you baby it, and don't try to vape every drop, you can refill these things many times and they will still work great and taste great.

And I urge against trying to get too much e-juice inside, whether on the first fill of a blank or a refill. It's far better to start off with about 12-16 drops of liquid per fill, then as you get more informed and more accustomed to it, you can find the upper limit for yourself, but it's really not worth it. If you overfill, you'll end up sucking nicotine juice into your mouth, and that's the better of two problems. The worse problem is that you'll end up leaking juice around the seam where the battery fits to the cartomizer, which is quite messy, and juice will leak into the battery, possibly shorting it out. With even the small Joye 510 battery costing around $12, that's not something you want to do. I've learned this the hard way. :blush:

I hope this helps.
 

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First off, I bought my Joye cartomizers and the PCC (carrying case with charger built in) to go with them at the same time last month from Cignot.com. It only holds one battery and one cartomizer, though, with two shorter slots for atomizer and cartridge. I guess they're trying to accommodate both types. But it is definitely available. At least it gives you the option of carrying a spare battery and spare cartomizer in the carrying case while you have an active battery and cartomizer in use.

The PCC is not meant to carry the cartomizers. It was molded years before JOYE even though about cartomizers. The slot that you are putting a cartomizer into is the slot for an atty and a cart to be stored. If you put a cartomizer there...the regular carts that you would put in the other two holes would be useless because you would have no atty with you. So...there is no PCC that satisfies the fact that I go through about 3-4 of these cartos a day because they use juice like it's going out of style.

I missed the prefilled cartos...sorry about that.

Why would you recommend, to a new user, a unit with no PCC...not may places to purchase...something that has such a short battery life and, as far as I've seen, there is no cartomizer starter kit so they would have to piece one together. I recommend eCigs to tons of people...I get emails every day. The best thing for a beginner is to point them in the simplest direction (towards a good unit like a M602c or GreenCig) and let them get acclimated to our world of vaping.

As far as refilling...maybe I'm just good with a needle...I refill GreenCig cartos with a needle...I can refill these 510 cartos in a matter of 10 seconds. it's really easy. This is the way they were supposed to be filled. Lots of people prefer a needle to dripping in a battery end as a general rule (per my observation).

Anyway...that's my peace.
 
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