Joye 510 Cartomizers

[Rosa]

Glad thats working for you, and I am not trying to be a .... (really). Just wondering how you made smoking analogs work on a budget ?

Basically it goes like this: I don't actually care how much it costs, but when I smoked I was able to hide the purchases in other places. I could add a pack every time I went to the gas station, grocery store, pharmacy... my husband never had to know how much it was costing us!

Well now it shows up on our bank statement AND I've been unemployed so I know he'd be freaking out if it was going to cost a bundle.

 

[cozzicon]

cozzicon,

You use carts at home and cartos on the road...can I assume you prefer carts? If so, why?


PS - thanks for all your videos; they were my main resource for my 1st purchases.

Thanks man.

I used cartridges originally because of cost and the fact that cartomizers, with rare exception, don't taste right to me.

With the intro of the ce2 and joyetech Cartomizers, it's mainly due to cost. I can reuse an atomizer and cartridge almost infinitely, and change flavors at will. I suppose cartomizers are more convenient on the road and cartridges more convenient at home.

Or something like that

 

[deback]

Thanks, Cozzicon! Just watched both of your cartomizer videos (thank you very much), so now I know what the mouth end of the Joye 510 looks like, compared to the mouth end of the Boge 510. They're shaped the same (no tapered mouth end, like the eGoMega), but the Joye 510 has a black mouth end cap and another little plate inside and then a hole to insert the liquid with a syringe and needle. (For those new to cartomizers: The Boge 510 has just a mouth end cap (that's either soft or hard or glued-on hard), and when that's removed, you can see the filter, without any needle hole.)

So it's quicker and easier to insert the fluid right into the filter of a Boge 510 carto, using either a syringe or plunging the mouth end of the carto into a filled condom or pouring the liquid in using a condom or other pouring device (such as the bottle the liquid came in).

My question is can you use the condom method to fill a Joye 510 carto at the mouth end, like you can do easily with a Boge 510? Would the liquid be sucked up into the filter or do you have to use a syringe and needle to fill a Joye 510 at the mouth end? I realize you can use the condom method to fill a Joye 510 at the threaded end (the way srcowell does it), but I'm wondering about the mouth end. It looks like you can't just use a condom or pour the liquid into the mouth end of a Joye 510 carto.

But if the Joye 510 cartos last longer and are better constructed than the Boge 510 cartos, I might be interested in buying the Joye 510 cartos from now on.

Thanks very much!

 

[deback]

Cozzicon - By the way, we're almost neighbors. I live somewhere between Charlotte and Lansing. It's about 30 minutes from Jackson.

 

[cozzicon]

Thanks, Cozzicon! Just watched both of your cartomizer videos (thank you very much), so now I know what the mouth end of the Joye 510 looks like, compared to the mouth end of the Boge 510. They're shaped the same (no tapered mouth end, like the eGoMega), but the Joye 510 has a black mouth end cap and another little plate inside and then a hole to insert the liquid with a syringe and needle. (For those new to cartomizers: The Boge 510 has just a mouth end cap (that's either soft or hard or glued-on hard), and when that's removed, you can see the filter, without any needle hole.)

So it's quicker and easier to insert the fluid right into the filter of a Boge 510 carto, using either a syringe or plunging the mouth end of the carto into a filled condom or pouring the liquid in using a condom or other pouring device (such as the bottle the liquid came in).

My question is can you use the condom method to fill a Joye 510 carto at the mouth end, like you can do easily with a Boge 510? Would the liquid be sucked up into the filter or do you have to use a syringe and needle to fill a Joye 510 at the mouth end? I realize you can use the condom method to fill a Joye 510 at the threaded end (the way srcowell does it), but I'm wondering about the mouth end. It looks like you can't just use a condom or pour the liquid into the mouth end of a Joye 510 carto.

But if the Joye 510 cartos last longer and are better constructed than the Boge 510 cartos, I might be interested in buying the Joye 510 cartos from now on.

Thanks very much!

Since other people came up with using the condom method on these, I've confirmed the battery end works (assuming the fill port has been pierced prior). But a syringe still works better because you are filling from the top down, wetting all the filler, rather than letting it wick up from the bottom.

It can't be done from the mouth piece end. The only place the filler is exposed is at the bottom.

As an aside- the two methods have their place for me. A quick fast fill or top off- use condom. Nice uniform fill- use syringe.

 

[cozzicon]

Cozzicon - By the way, we're almost neighbors. I live somewhere between Charlotte and Lansing. It's about 30 minutes from Jackson.

Hey- cool!!

You might want to join the Michigan social group and come to one of our meets.

 

[deback]

Thanks for the info, Cozzicon! Might check out the social group...

 

[srcowell]

Since other people came up with using the condom method on these, I've confirmed the battery end works (assuming the fill port has been pierced prior). But a syringe still works better because you are filling from the top down, wetting all the filler, rather than letting it wick up from the bottom.

Cozzicon, I'm glad you confirmed the Joye cartos can be filled from the battery end. I'm puzzled why you say the fill port must be pierced prior to filling from that end. My Joye cartos are virgins, unviolated in any way, yet I fill them from the battery end all the time. What might I gain by breaking their che... I mean by piercing the fill port? Why would I need to do this when it's working fine without doing so? Just curious.

 

[cozzicon]

Cozzicon, I'm glad you confirmed the Joye cartos can be filled from the battery end. I'm puzzled why you say the fill port must be pierced prior to filling from that end. My Joye cartos are virgins, unviolated in any way, yet I fill them from the battery end all the time. What might I gain by breaking their che... I mean by piercing the fill port? Why would I need to do this when it's working fine without doing so? Just curious.

I checked by weight the amount of juice wicked into the cavity with and without the piercing. The amount was higher with the fillport pierced because air was able to exit through the fill port rather than bubble down through the wicking.

However, the performance of these cartos may be better when the filport method is used, because simply wicking from the bottom left the top of the filler dry. However, this may be a moot point, because filling from the fill port will leave measurable juice at the top of the filler when the cart runs dry- YMMV. I haven't checked weight on this issue.

Since I cannot make an easy sort of scientific comment on the real vapor performance on each method (it would be too subjective), I can say that refill performance appears to be better with a syringe- because the juice is being forced into already wet wicking, as opposed to thirsty dry wicking.

I still prefer the syringe. They seem to vape better after refill.

 

[Jammin]

Cozzicon, I'm glad you confirmed the Joye cartos can be filled from the battery end. I'm puzzled why you say the fill port must be pierced prior to filling from that end. My Joye cartos are virgins, unviolated in any way, yet I fill them from the battery end all the time. What might I gain by breaking their che... I mean by piercing the fill port? Why would I need to do this when it's working fine without doing so? Just curious.

I am wondering the same thing as I never pierced mine, and even after reading Cozzicon's review above, I am not sure if the consensus is he is sayign it is better with it pierced or not.

I am leaving as is cuz if it works, it works!

 

[deback]

Excellent description, I have to say! Such devotion: "I checked by weight the amount of juice wicked into the cavity with and without the piercing." I would have never thought to do that.

 

[cozzicon]

Excellent description, I have to say! Such devotion: "I checked by weight the amount of juice wicked into the cavity with and without the piercing." I would have never thought to do that.

Devotion? LMAO.... That's funny.

Really, I can't help myself. I'm a nerdy science, engineering kinda IT guy. By nature I am meticulous.

 

[srcowell]

Devotion? LMAO.... That's funny.

Really, I can't help myself. I'm a nerdy science, engineering kinda IT guy. By nature I am meticulous.

That's impossible. You can't really be an IT guy. You can spell! ;-)

 

[srcowell]

I checked by weight the amount of juice wicked into the cavity with and without the piercing. The amount was higher with the fillport pierced because air was able to exit through the fill port rather than bubble down through the wicking.

However, the performance of these cartos may be better when the filport method is used, because simply wicking from the bottom left the top of the filler dry. However, this may be a moot point, because filling from the fill port will leave measurable juice at the top of the filler when the cart runs dry- YMMV. I haven't checked weight on this issue.

Since I cannot make an easy sort of scientific comment on the real vapor performance on each method (it would be too subjective), I can say that refill performance appears to be better with a syringe- because the juice is being forced into already wet wicking, as opposed to thirsty dry wicking.

I still prefer the syringe. They seem to vape better after refill.

Cozzicon, first let me say I highly admire your work and your writings, but...

Hmmm... To be fair, I haven't used the syringe method yet, but that is largely because I have an irrational phobia of syringes, stemming from a severe childhood trauma.

However, I have ordered one in the interest of science, and with my wife's help I intend to blunt the tip with a Dremel tool as soon as it arrives, hopefully rendering it mostly harmless, although I will be sleeping with one eye open just in case.

As for the capacity being more one way than another, I suppose this is important to some people, but not really to me. If I can get 16 drops into it, which I do all the time with my method, without having to pop off the top, dig out the next barrier, and then use a syringe JUST to get an extra four drops in there, I'll just drip into the battery hole, thanks.

But just to counter your non-hostile argument with a non-hostile counter-argument, the talk of dryness seems to imply that one of these methods will not get the filler material saturated. For those reading these comments, let me assure you that the entire filler inside gets as wet as you care to get it using either method. What may help most with maximizing saturation would be to tap the mouthpiece of the carto gently on the table every few drops. This helps to break up air bubbles and force the juice into the filler material. I do four drops in, four taps, four drops, four taps, up to 16 drops usually. Beyond that you risk forcing excess liquid into the mouthpiece, where frankly I'd rather not have it. If I wanted to drink the juice, I wouldn't need a battery!

The cartomizers are designed, of necessity, to have air flow through them, primarily in the direction of the mouth. The air holes around the battery connector are the intakes. Air flows through the wicking and filler material, carrying with it the vapors of the burning juice. If air can pass all the way through from the battery end to the mouth end, juice can too. And it does.

The only debate here is which method is better. As cozzicon said, it's "subjective." It's really a matter of preference. My reason for arguing the case for two different simple methods of refilling genuine Joye 510 cartomizers in ways that do not require disassembly of any parts, and without requiring any tools, is that I want to dispel a widely held myth that they can't be filled without a syringe. We've proved it, and it's been confirmed by the forum scientists so I'm happy!

 

[cozzicon]

Cozzicon, first let me say I highly admire your work and your writings, but...

Hmmm... To be fair, I haven't used the syringe method yet, but that is largely because I have an irrational phobia of syringes, stemming from a severe childhood trauma.

However, I have ordered one in the interest of science, and with my wife's help I intend to blunt the tip with a Dremel tool as soon as it arrives, hopefully rendering it mostly harmless, although I will be sleeping with one eye open just in case.

As for the capacity being more one way than another, I suppose this is important to some people, but not really to me. If I can get 16 drops into it, which I do all the time with my method, without having to pop off the top, dig out the next barrier, and then use a syringe JUST to get an extra four drops in there, I'll just drip into the battery hole, thanks.

But just to counter your non-hostile argument with a non-hostile counter-argument, the talk of dryness seems to imply that one of these methods will not get the filler material saturated. For those reading these comments, let me assure you that the entire filler inside gets as wet as you care to get it using either method. What may help most with maximizing saturation would be to tap the mouthpiece of the carto gently on the table every few drops. This helps to break up air bubbles and force the juice into the filler material. I do four drops in, four taps, four drops, four taps, up to 16 drops usually. Beyond that you risk forcing excess liquid into the mouthpiece, where frankly I'd rather not have it. If I wanted to drink the juice, I wouldn't need a battery!

The cartomizers are designed, of necessity, to have air flow through them, primarily in the direction of the mouth. The air holes around the battery connector are the intakes. Air flows through the wicking and filler material, carrying with it the vapors of the burning juice. If air can pass all the way through from the battery end to the mouth end, juice can too. And it does.

The only debate here is which method is better. As cozzicon said, it's "subjective." It's really a matter of preference. My reason for arguing the case for two different simple methods of refilling genuine Joye 510 cartomizers in ways that do not require disassembly of any parts, and without requiring any tools, is that I want to dispel a widely held myth that they can't be filled without a syringe. We've proved it, and it's been confirmed by the forum scientists so I'm happy!

Well... this isn't the first time a conversation has been had about this issue.

First, unless you can show by weight (which you did not) that both methods are equal- they are not. The syringe can deposit more liquid into the wicking material, than just shoving it up the battery hole via the condom method.

Second, if you disassemble the cartomizer, it is easily apparent that you may be pumping juice up into the air gallery (see the picture). These are not constructed like any other carto made.

Third, anecdotally speaking, they vape better having been refilled from the fill port. I've explained in another post why that is so and will not revisit it.

The condom method is not optimum, but it may be acceptable- depends on who is doing the vaping.

I'm really glad you are trying the syringe method. It was your insistence that the condom method worked that led me to try it when I got the chance. And although it works it does not saturate that wicking like using a syringe does.

 

[champagne]

try the gator vapor 510 cartomizer it last me over 3 weeks before i had 2 change.had great vapor with the marlboro light 26 mg.

 

[djquick]

Once I started using cartos, I never looked back at attys and carts

 

[Jammin]

Once I started using cartos, I never looked back at attys and carts

They are awesome.

I will still drip for trying new flavors.

 

[son et lumiere]

I've had good success with these cartomizers. https://strictlyejuice.com/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=64_66_91&zenid=uceh0g7dv3u9b4a9leilq6hl26

 

[Big Hitter]

Well... this isn't the first time a conversation has been had about this issue.

First, unless you can show by weight (which you did not) that both methods are equal- they are not. The syringe can deposit more liquid into the wicking material, than just shoving it up the battery hole via the condom method.

Second, if you disassemble the cartomizer, it is easily apparent that you may be pumping juice up into the air gallery (see the picture). These are not constructed like any other carto made.

Third, anecdotally speaking, they vape better having been refilled from the fill port. I've explained in another post why that is so and will not revisit it.

The condom method is not optimum, but it may be acceptable- depends on who is doing the vaping.

I'm really glad you are trying the syringe method. It was your insistence that the condom method worked that led me to try it when I got the chance. And although it works it does not saturate that wicking like using a syringe does.

I didn't get any of that from the reply. What I took from it is:
He (she) feels the carto gets soaked fully and happy with current method ?

Maybe its just me and the 3 margaritas I had with dinner though.