Not necessary to puncture anything. Brand new out of the wrapper, you can fill it through the threaded end without taking any pieces off.
Joye 510 Cartomizers
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Not necessary to puncture anything. Brand new out of the wrapper, you can fill it through the threaded end without taking any pieces off.
Nice job on that review, Sense Field. Since there was no date on the video, I don't know if the review was done yesterday or months ago. But since anyone reading this will assume it was made around the date you posted it here, I feel the need to set the record straight on a few things, with those folks in mind. I hope you don't mind.
First off, I bought my Joye cartomizers and the PCC (carrying case with charger built in) to go with them at the same time last month from Cignot.com. It only holds one battery and one cartomizer, though, with two shorter slots for atomizer and cartridge. I guess they're trying to accommodate both types. But it is definitely available. At least it gives you the option of carrying a spare battery and spare cartomizer in the carrying case while you have an active battery and cartomizer in use.
Secondly, the cartomizers are available pre-filled, in regular and menthol, in several nicotine strengths. As far as I can tell, the e-juice inside is Joye brand, as the pre-filled cartomizers are factory sealed and labeled. Again, I get mine from cignot.com, so I don't know what other stores offer.
Thirdly, we have GOT to kill this myth about requiring a syringe to fill them! I've made several posts in this thread and others explaining how to fill with either the so-called "condom method" and by just dripping into the battery hole of the cartomizer, which is the method I use most and strongly prefer. I've been using the syringe method, just to be sure it wasn't vastly superior, and I promise everyone that it is NOT. Using the syringe to refill them requires not only the syringe, which isn't something most people have around the house, but you have to remove two pieces of the mouthpiece then puncture the fill port with something sharp but sturdier than the syringe needle... pant! pant!... before you can even get to the part of drawing your e-liquid into the syringe then finding the little fill port with the needle, and making sure you don't put in too much or put it in too fast... pant! pant!... and then putting it all back together and putting the syringe away safely, etc. Screw that! Just take your drip bottle and place a drop on the hole in the threaded end, wait for it to soak in, drip again, repeat as needed, and in a minute you've refilled it. I recommend about 16 drops this way. It's quick, easy, and the least messy method I know of. You'll want to let that juice soak into the filler inside for at least a half hour before using, giving it time to absorb. If you accidentally overfill it, remove it from the battery, and blow a short burst or two through the mouthpiece, like a whistle, into a tissue to blow out the excess liquid. Then wipe everything dry, including inside the battery fitting, before trying it again.
Fourthly, I would heartily recommend the Joye 510 and prefilled cartomizers to any newbie just starting out with vaping. Once you get the hang of it, you'll easily start refilling your empties as I described, and off you go!
And here's a strong warning: the first sign the juice is running dry is a bad taste. You'll get a taste that's either weak or tastes burnt. STOP RIGHT THERE! If you continue to try and get those last few drags, you'll end up putting a permanent burnt taste in the cartomizer. If you go too far, it'll taste like burnt plastic, and you may as well throw that one away and start a fresh one. But if you baby it, and don't try to vape every drop, you can refill these things many times and they will still work great and taste great.
And I urge against trying to get too much e-juice inside, whether on the first fill of a blank or a refill. It's far better to start off with about 12-16 drops of liquid per fill, then as you get more informed and more accustomed to it, you can find the upper limit for yourself, but it's really not worth it. If you overfill, you'll end up sucking nicotine juice into your mouth, and that's the better of two problems. The worse problem is that you'll end up leaking juice around the seam where the battery fits to the cartomizer, which is quite messy, and juice will leak into the battery, possibly shorting it out. With even the small Joye 510 battery costing around $12, that's not something you want to do. I've learned this the hard way.
I hope this helps.
I used the condom method on the battery end on a couple of these and they tasted funky. Do I have to drop or can i use condom method to fill this?
I disagree about pointing people towards greencig. They are ridiculously overpriced for what they are.
I just emailed Vicki at Cignot.com, and she replied that she'd be glad to substitute cartomizers for the atomizer and cartridges in her starter kits! She said to just say in the Comments area of her online order form that you want cartomizers instead of the atomizer and cartridge combination. So there is a Starter Kit available for the Joye 510 with Joye cartomizers!
This thread is about the the genuine Joye 510 cartomizers and it's in the New Members Forum, so I am assuming there are a lot of people looking for what's best to buy or looking for something better than what they bought to start with. My opinion stands that the Joye 510 cartomizers are a great product and that filling them with custom juice does not require disassembly or tools like a syringe. Many people cringe at the very thought of a syringe, so that's a major turn-off that might discourage people from trying these great cartomizers. Folks, you don't need a syringe for them, and you don't need to disassemble the mouthpiece to fill them with juice.
If you want longer battery life, the buy the Joye eGo battery, which lasts for most of the day, and it can use the Joye 510 or Joye eGo cartomizers. I have both, but I find the larger eGo battery heavy and cumbersome, whereas the 510 battery/cartomizer combination is about the size of a 100mm cigarette, a little heavier than a cigarette, but much lighter than the eGo.
If you want a starter kit, all you need is two batteries, a pack of cartomizers, and an AC charger. You don't need a PCC. And you certainly don't need no steenkeeng needle!!!
If these cartomizers actually required filling with a needle (syringe), I wouldn't buy them or recommend them. Although many people have no problem acquiring and using a hypodermic needle for filling cartomizers, most people don't have a hypodermic needle, don't have easy access to one, and won't be comfortable with the whole idea of using a syringe. I bought a syringe so I could see if it was a better method of filling them. In my opinion, it's definitely not better. There may be a legitimate argument that you can get a few more drops in with a syringe, or some other advantage, but in my opinion that doesn't outweigh the disadvantages of the hassle of that method.
As for the PCC, I carry mine to work every day. It holds one second battery and one cartomizer. When one battery dies, I switch it with the one in the PCC charger. Personally, I don't really care what the original holes were intended for, and I don't really care if it holds a cartomizer either. I use it for the portable charger. By the time one battery dies, the PCC charger has the next one ready for me. I never use the atomizer cartridge combination, only cartomizers, so I don't have any use for those shorter wells in the PCC, as long as it charges my second battery so I can switch between the two for charging.
Even without the PCC, there are several styles of chargers available for the 510. At work, you can use one that plugs into an electrical socket, one that plugs into the USB port of a computer, or one that plugs into the dashboard of your vehicle's cigarette lighter. If you don't want the PCC, you can pick up a small carrying case, or something like a coin purse, and carry several cartomizers, a spare battery, and a small bottle of juice for refills on the go.
I mention Cignot.com a lot, so let's be clear that I have no affiliation with them except as a regular customer. If you want to exchange emails with Vicki at Cignot.com, just use the "Contact" link at her website. She's always quick to reply and very easy to work with.
I've used that method too. It's kind of messy, but I can't think of any reason why it taste different than filling with a syringe. The only reason I stopped using the condom method was that it gets juice all over the outside of the cartomizer on the threaded end that screws into the battery. If this battery connection is not cleaned of juice before attaching the battery, there may be some scorching of juice at the battery connection that is getting sucked into the carto. Other than that possibility, the only other reason I can think of for a funky taste is if the cartomizer has been burned dry. The only test for that would be to take two brand new cartomizers and fill one with a syringe and the other with the condom method. If they taste the same, the issue would have to be burned wicking from vaping the carto till it's out of juice, which will scorch the wicking of the atomizer inside and leave the carto permanently marred with a burnt taste.
Assuming the carto is not already burnt inside, I think the condom method at the threaded end works fine and shouldn't taste bad... mine certainly don't. Again, I only stopped using the condom method (filling the cartomizer by pushing the threaded end into a latex end cap half filled with e-juice) because I didn't like getting the e-juice all over the outside of the cartomizer. I just think it's a rather messy method.
I just emailed Vicki at Cignot.com, and she replied that she'd be glad to substitute cartomizers for the atomizer and cartridges in her starter kits! She said to just say in the Comments area of her online order form that you want cartomizers instead of the atomizer and cartridge combination. So there is a Starter Kit available for the Joye 510 with Joye cartomizers!
This thread is about the the genuine Joye 510 cartomizers and it's in the New Members Forum, so I am assuming there are a lot of people looking for what's best to buy or looking for something better than what they bought to start with. My opinion stands that the Joye 510 cartomizers are a great product and that filling them with custom juice does not require disassembly or tools like a syringe. Many people cringe at the very thought of a syringe, so that's a major turn-off that might discourage people from trying these great cartomizers. Folks, you don't need a syringe for them, and you don't need to disassemble the mouthpiece to fill them with juice.
If you want longer battery life, the buy the Joye eGo battery, which lasts for most of the day, and it can use the Joye 510 or Joye eGo cartomizers. I have both, but I find the larger eGo battery heavy and cumbersome, whereas the 510 battery/cartomizer combination is about the size of a 100mm cigarette, a little heavier than a cigarette, but much lighter than the eGo.
If you want a starter kit, all you need is two batteries, a pack of cartomizers, and an AC charger. You don't need a PCC. And you certainly don't need no steenkeeng needle!!!
If these cartomizers actually required filling with a needle (syringe), I wouldn't buy them or recommend them. Although many people have no problem acquiring and using a hypodermic needle for filling cartomizers, most people don't have a hypodermic needle, don't have easy access to one, and won't be comfortable with the whole idea of using a syringe. I bought a syringe so I could see if it was a better method of filling them. In my opinion, it's definitely not better. There may be a legitimate argument that you can get a few more drops in with a syringe, or some other advantage, but in my opinion that doesn't outweigh the disadvantages of the hassle of that method.
As for the PCC, I carry mine to work every day. It holds one second battery and one cartomizer. When one battery dies, I switch it with the one in the PCC charger. Personally, I don't really care what the original holes were intended for, and I don't really care if it holds a cartomizer either. I use it for the portable charger. By the time one battery dies, the PCC charger has the next one ready for me. I never use the atomizer cartridge combination, only cartomizers, so I don't have any use for those shorter wells in the PCC, as long as it charges my second battery so I can switch between the two for charging.
Even without the PCC, there are several styles of chargers available for the 510. At work, you can use one that plugs into an electrical socket, one that plugs into the USB port of a computer, or one that plugs into the dashboard of your vehicle's cigarette lighter. If you don't want the PCC, you can pick up a small carrying case, or something like a coin purse, and carry several cartomizers, a spare battery, and a small bottle of juice for refills on the go.
I mention Cignot.com a lot, so let's be clear that I have no affiliation with them except as a regular customer. If you want to exchange emails with Vicki at Cignot.com, just use the "Contact" link at her website. She's always quick to reply and very easy to work with.
Well said sir! I repeat this same thing on about 5 threads a day. Its amazing to me that some people have no idea of the 510 capabilities. I think cignot is amazing. I go to Cignot for hardware, batteries and joye genuine 510 cartos , Freedom smoke usa for juice and litecig for cartos and other hardware accessories.
Vicki said she measured an average of 2.6 ohms. Not low resistance.
They are currently the best product on the market and the price ends up being about 50 center more per carto...each carto lasts a full day...this is the only unit that I have tested that I can say that about.
The PCC is high quality and the batteries are small and last a long time.
They are priced higher...but for someone who just wants a unit that works like a horse...that is the unit. Remember...you use to pay $6 for a pack of cigs...paying $2.50 a day for GreenCig is a better deal.
Perhaps I'm not in the camp that is tight on money...either way...I look at the GreenCig as the best bang for you buck. And of course...if you don't have the money to spend on it...the M602c from Smoore is almost as good. The cartomizers display the least amount of burn and tend to last around a day...the PCC is your standard fair but the batteries are super small which makes it easy for someone to transition from regular cigs...and they last really long for their size.
a 510 or 4081 are both IMO better than the incredibly overpriced greencig. Not to mention, who uses prefills anymore? They dont even compare to custom juice. I tried the safe cig and was BLOWN away when I realized how much cheaper and better the Joye 510 is. Plus there is a TON of accessories. I haven't heard anyone refer to the greencig as "the best" once on this forum... I've heard about 23432432432 people refer to the Joye 510 as "the best". Personally I think its all preference, but I'll be damned if I'm going to pay double or triple for the EXACT same product because that same company makes ....ty prefilled cartos and packs it all nice together.
To be honest I was going to watch your review but now that you referred to Greencig as "the best" I'm not too interested... You should do more testing...
The whole point is that most people who smoke...want it to be as easy as possible to transition to eCigs. That means prefills...not eLiquid. That means retail devices, not mods. That means smaller units...not bigger units.
I'm talking to the main stream...not the hobbyists. It's important to make this distinction and to remember that just because you don't mind the "work" that comes with owning a 510, that doesn't mean that mainstream america will.
If you watch my review of the JOYE and the Genuine cartomizers you will see that I like them. You will also note in my original post that I HAVE PLACED AN ORDER FOR 8 MORE PACKS.
I'm not against this unit. I am using it right this second.
Being able to see both sides of the coin is what makes someone business oriented vs. not being business oriented. Makes someone a good reviewer vs. a mediocre reviewer. I own a software business...I'm reviewing for the mainstream...not the modders, dripper,dippers or syringe fillers (even though I'm one of them). I can smell the eLiquid on my hands...every day...I'm not sure if that's something that appeals to mainstream.
Why do you think that BLU is so popular? because they present you with a package that is easy to swallow for someone who has never seen these devices before. And that is why lots of people start with that unit, then seek out something better. (I'm not saying BLU is good...I trash it in my review).
All that said...I doubt you have actually used a GreenCig (not Green Smoke, easily confused) because you refer them as being the "EXACT" same product. And when I say GreenCig...I mean the actual unit...not just the cartomizers. The unit, PCC and cartomizers are by far one of the easiest and best QUALITY products on the market today. I can't count the number of thank you emails I get from people who use other units who decided to spend the (admitting high) price for the GreenCig G300 Nobel Pack.
The battery is different inside and out. It is not produced by anyone other then GreenCig. The lithium Ion battery is of a different quality which let's it hold it's charge longer. The PCC is above and beyond the quality of any other PCC I have used and again uses a higher quality batter.
I dont' like their higher prices...but I look at it as minimal for what is IN MY EXPERIENCE the best product I have used.
At least I have tried both products EXTENSIVELY...and given then both good reviews for different reasons.
Try not to look at it as SEGA vs. Nintendo...I'm not against you bro...but you have to have actually tried these things to pass judgment...and while I don't know if you have...I assume from your staments that you haven't...and therefor your knowledge on the subject (GreenCig) is nothing more then hearsay.
All that said...this is a 510 Thread...so...if you like the 510...already have one...and want cartomizers...you can't go wrong with the Genuine 510 cartos.
I'll be testing out the battery end drip method as soon as I get home
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The whole point is that most people who smoke...want it to be as easy as possible to transition to eCigs. That means prefills...not eLiquid. That means retail devices, not mods. That means smaller units...not bigger units.
I'm talking to the main stream...not the hobbyists. It's important to make this distinction and to remember that just because you don't mind the "work" that comes with owning a 510, that doesn't mean that mainstream america will.
If you watch my review of the JOYE and the Genuine cartomizers you will see that I like them. You will also note in my original post that I HAVE PLACED AN ORDER FOR 8 MORE PACKS.
I'm not against this unit. I am using it right this second.
Being able to see both sides of the coin is what makes someone business oriented vs. not being business oriented. Makes someone a good reviewer vs. a mediocre reviewer. I own a software business...I'm reviewing for the mainstream...not the modders, dripper,dippers or syringe fillers (even though I'm one of them). I can smell the eLiquid on my hands...every day...I'm not sure if that's something that appeals to mainstream.
Why do you think that BLU is so popular? because they present you with a package that is easy to swallow for someone who has never seen these devices before. And that is why lots of people start with that unit, then seek out something better. (I'm not saying BLU is good...I trash it in my review).
All that said...I doubt you have actually used a GreenCig (not Green Smoke, easily confused) because you refer them as being the "EXACT" same product. And when I say GreenCig...I mean the actual unit...not just the cartomizers. The unit, PCC and cartomizers are by far one of the easiest and best QUALITY products on the market today. I can't count the number of thank you emails I get from people who use other units who decided to spend the (admitting high) price for the GreenCig G300 Nobel Pack.
The battery is different inside and out. It is not produced by anyone other then GreenCig. The lithium Ion battery is of a different quality which let's it hold it's charge longer. The PCC is above and beyond the quality of any other PCC I have used and again uses a higher quality batter.
I dont' like their higher prices...but I look at it as minimal for what is IN MY EXPERIENCE the best product I have used.
At least I have tried both products EXTENSIVELY...and given then both good reviews for different reasons.
Try not to look at it as SEGA vs. Nintendo...I'm not against you bro...but you have to have actually tried these things to pass judgment...and while I don't know if you have...I assume from your staments that you haven't...and therefor your knowledge on the subject (GreenCig) is nothing more then hearsay.
All that said...this is a 510 Thread...so...if you like the 510...already have one...and want cartomizers...you can't go wrong with the Genuine 510 cartos.
I'll be testing out the battery end drip method as soon as I get home
I have to admit man, it sounds like your trying to sell this product. If this greencig is so much better than any other product, I'm pretty sure it would be known by the thousands of people the visit this thread on a daily basis. Not to mention "the best" is a lot different than "the best for so and so". You flat out said that this is "the best" unit available. Thats just simply not true. For one, what you might consider the best is a lot different than someone elses, and if it is so good than we would hear a lot more about it. Are you an affiliate for greencig?
I agree with your perspective on this one, guitar man. I don't say that with negativity directed at Sense Field. But it sure feels like he's selling it. If a person wants to come clean about their affiliations, I think they should have their say, within reason. At some point, it's spamming, and that's not fair play in a New Members area.
What's the normal life of the GreenCig battery before needing to be recharged? I think this is the most important factor when choosing an e-cig. I didn't see where you mention how long they last. This info might be useful to prospective buyers, when comparing other batteries.
Personally, it looks like just another cheap-quality, way overpriced piece of crap, similar to Smokeless Delite, blu, Volcano, Smoke51, and many others.
Do Greencig.com and Greenworldcig.com carry the same products? Their index pages appear to be completely different, with different products.
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Seriously man? Have you ever heard of an opinion?
Rather then being an adult...you state that I must be affiliated with the company that I have an OPINION on in an attempt to discredit me. That is a rather lame forum tactic that people only use when they have lost an argument.
I have you admit man, it seems like you are really trying to sell the 510. Are you affiliated with JOYE tech? You haven't stated why the 510 is so great. haha...look I can do it too! And when you think about it...it could possibly be true!
Let's keep it simple. You don't own the unit in question. You know nothing about the unit. Your opinion on the unit is based on the popularity of the unit. So you must think the best eCig is measured by how popular the particular unit is.
So, if that is the way the world works. Then I suppose that a KIA car is better then a Ferrari, because I hear more about the KIA on tv, and I see more KIAs on the road then Ferraris. So...if the Ferrari where so damn good...I suppose I would see more of them and hear more people talking about them.
Your attempt to try and affiliate me with any eCig company is untrue and boarders on rude. I am ONE OF the only unbiased reviewers that there is. I have spent thousands of dollars to try out different brands so that others don't have to. I specifically set out to find ecigs that I could recommend to people of all incomes. Those that can spend a lot and those who can't. And to try and help keep people away from horrible companies like Green Smoke and BLU.
You simply could have checked my reviews...not a single one has an affiliate link...and if you had done some research, you would know that GreenCig does not have any affiliates. As a matter of fact, they don't market their product in any way. They just sell it through a handful of small supplier. But of course...you prefer to just keep making assumptions that are not based on any facts.
Let's just call this conversation over. I'm sure you'll feel the need to respond...you probably can't help yourself. And you'll probably make some more unbridled assumptions.
Hey Buddy...at least you aren't on the offensive. But still...as stated in my other post...this assumption is wrong.
I simply wanted to share my review...my good review of these cartomizers and the 510 because that is what the subject of this thread is.
Some people had differences of opinion on some aspects of my review...and I backed up my original statements from my review, while mentioning, very briefly I might add, that I recommend other units to people who are new to vaping and recommend the 510 to people who have decided that they want to delve deeping into the world of vaping.
Why is it that no one asked if I was affiliated with my other main recommendation? (I am not)
This whole conversation stems from Guitar Man saying "I was going to watch your review, but since you recommend the GreenCig...I won't even bother" as if to discredit all of my reviews based on that simple fact.
That is why we got into defending our positions...no other reason.
What I don't understand is why no one else is noticing that I GIVE A GOOD REVIEW TO THE 510. Ore that I also recommend the M602c. How about the fact that you can look up all my previous posts here and you can see that I've been very active in the Vapor4Life forums (back when I used their unit, before they ruined the 808 with their revisions).
Geeze man...sorry for having an opinion. God forbid that someone should venomously stand by what they say.
I had no luck with dripping in the battery end. Tasted really burnt and gave me a mouthful of Juice. Are you doing this after puncturing the port under the mouth piece?
I have done it both ways. Puncturing through the port under the mouth piece and dripping through the battery end. I much prefer dripping through the battery end, its just way easier and I haven't had ANY trouble with a burnt taste OR getting juice in my mouth.
I watch the drips go into the battery hole and I can tell when the juice starts to take just a bit longer to go into the hole, I am assuming this means its starting to get full. I stop a drop or two after that. I've been impressed with these cartomizers. I really like them.
Of course, I have only been vaping about 1 week so take that with a grain of salt I guess. I have used 3 different cartomizers (some random cartomizers, joye 510 cartomizers, and those e2 r4 cartomizers), cartridges (hate these) and dripping. I switch from using the joye 510 cartomizer to dripping and back again. Mostly this is because of switching flavors but those cartomizers are really nice.
I watch the drips go into the battery hole and I can tell when the juice starts to take just a bit longer to go into the hole, I am assuming this means its starting to get full. I stop a drop or two after that. I've been impressed with these cartomizers. I really like them.
Of course, I have only been vaping about 1 week so take that with a grain of salt I guess. I have used 3 different cartomizers (some random cartomizers, joye 510 cartomizers, and those e2 r4 cartomizers), cartridges (hate these) and dripping. I switch from using the joye 510 cartomizer to dripping and back again. Mostly this is because of switching flavors but those cartomizers are really nice.
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