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Seriously man? Have you ever heard of an opinion?

Rather then being an adult...you state that I must be affiliated with the company that I have an OPINION on in an attempt to discredit me. That is a rather lame forum tactic that people only use when they have lost an argument.

I have you admit man, it seems like you are really trying to sell the 510. Are you affiliated with JOYE tech? You haven't stated why the 510 is so great. haha...look I can do it too! And when you think about it...it could possibly be true!

Let's keep it simple. You don't own the unit in question. You know nothing about the unit. Your opinion on the unit is based on the popularity of the unit. So you must think the best eCig is measured by how popular the particular unit is.

So, if that is the way the world works. Then I suppose that a KIA car is better then a Ferrari, because I hear more about the KIA on tv, and I see more KIAs on the road then Ferraris. So...if the Ferrari where so damn good...I suppose I would see more of them and hear more people talking about them.

Your attempt to try and affiliate me with any eCig company is untrue and boarders on rude. I am ONE OF the only unbiased reviewers that there is. I have spent thousands of dollars to try out different brands so that others don't have to. I specifically set out to find ecigs that I could recommend to people of all incomes. Those that can spend a lot and those who can't. And to try and help keep people away from horrible companies like Green Smoke and BLU.

You simply could have checked my reviews...not a single one has an affiliate link...and if you had done some research, you would know that GreenCig does not have any affiliates. As a matter of fact, they don't market their product in any way. They just sell it through a handful of small supplier. But of course...you prefer to just keep making assumptions that are not based on any facts.

Let's just call this conversation over. I'm sure you'll feel the need to respond...you probably can't help yourself. And you'll probably make some more unbridled assumptions.

LMAO! You have got to be kidding me... For one, to say any company doesn't have affiliates is borderline ......ed. EVERY company has affiliates. How do I know if YOUR the CEO or if you best friend started the company? I don't. They dont have to have an affiliate page. The whole kia vs ferrari is ridiculous. If you go to a car forum I guarentee you will hear about ferraris. On TV do you ever see adds for a Joye eGo or kr808d-1? No you see adds for Blu. If you take offense to me asking if you an affiliate, it leads me to believe you are one. If you are trying to sell and e-cig you should not be doing it in a cartomizer thread in the newbie forum. For the record, I did not make A SINGLE ASSUMPTION. You said "you state I must be an affiliate with the company" in response to my "are you an affiliate of greencig". Thats an assumption? I simple asked questions. Re-read my post... and re-read your pathetically childish response to a few simple questions. wow...

Maybe it's too hard for you to consider that your NOT "one of the only unbiased reviewers there is" and you must respond to questions by defending yourself? Get over yourself dude!
 

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Hey Buddy...at least you aren't on the offensive. But still...as stated in my other post...this assumption is wrong.

I simply wanted to share my review...my good review of these cartomizers and the 510 because that is what the subject of this thread is.

Some people had differences of opinion on some aspects of my review...and I backed up my original statements from my review, while mentioning, very briefly I might add, that I recommend other units to people who are new to vaping and recommend the 510 to people who have decided that they want to delve deeping into the world of vaping.

Why is it that no one asked if I was affiliated with my other main recommendation? (I am not)

This whole conversation stems from Guitar Man saying "I was going to watch your review, but since you recommend the GreenCig...I won't even bother" as if to discredit all of my reviews based on that simple fact.

That is why we got into defending our positions...no other reason.

What I don't understand is why no one else is noticing that I GIVE A GOOD REVIEW TO THE 510. Ore that I also recommend the M602c. How about the fact that you can look up all my previous posts here and you can see that I've been very active in the Vapor4Life forums (back when I used their unit, before they ruined the 808 with their revisions).

Geeze man...sorry for having an opinion. God forbid that someone should venomously stand by what they say.

WOW MAN... GET OVER YOURSELF!!!! Talk about an inferiority complex! I hate to break it to you but you ARE NOT the messiah of e-cigs... Your totally THAT GUY that pisses everybody off and then gets all depressed and asks "why doesn't anybody like me" Reread the posts. No one complimented you on your damn review because its probably not even close to as "great" as you say it is judging by your "un-biased" comments and second IT WAS OVERSHADOWED BY YOU RECOMMENDING THE GREENCIG in a place where you should not be recommending it! Think about the questions you asked in this post... The answers seem pretty damn clear to me.

PS: for the record, if i could delete 1 person from ANY of the 4 forums I'm on, it would be you. I rarely get into arguments like this on forums but you are really something special. I would NOT be proud of that...
 

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WOW MAN... GET OVER YOURSELF!!!! Talk about an inferiority complex! I hate to break it to you but you ARE NOT the messiah of e-cigs... Your totally THAT GUY that pisses everybody off and then gets all depressed and asks "why doesn't anybody like me" Reread the posts. No one complimented you on your damn review because its probably not even close to as "great" as you say it is judging by your "un-biased" comments and second IT WAS OVERSHADOWED BY YOU RECOMMENDING THE GREENCIG in a place where you should not be recommending it! Think about the questions you asked in this post... The answers seem pretty damn clear to me.

PS: for the record, if i could delete 1 person from ANY of the 4 forums I'm on, it would be you. I rarely get into arguments like this on forums but you are really something special. I would NOT be proud of that...

There was no need to post negative comments on my user profile.
I can moderate those comments BTW

I'm not going to put anything else in this post that would fuel this argument.
I affiliate with no eCig Company. That is the final word.

I sent you a PM...let's get back to the subject

Cheers!
 
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Thirdly, we have GOT to kill this myth about requiring a syringe to fill them!

Filling with a syringe is SIMPLE and takes 2 minutes from start to clean up.... tops!

I don't understand why anyone would even try another method. Plus if you get a 3 or 5 ml syringe, you can just leave the syringe filled and cap the blunt.

As far as I am concerned its the best part about these. Actually its about the only good thing about these cartos.
The Royal Smoker E2/v4 is ten times better performing.

Maybe you should do less panting about the syringe and figure out how to use one properly.
 

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Filling with a syringe is SIMPLE and takes 2 minutes from start to clean up.... tops!

I don't understand why anyone would even try another method. Plus if you get a 3 or 5 ml syringe, you can just leave the syringe filled and cap the blunt.

As far as I am concerned its the best part about these. Actually its about the only good thing about these cartos.
The Royal Smoker E2/v4 is ten times better performing.

Maybe you should do less panting about the syringe and figure out how to use one properly.

I didn't read through the thread so take this reply simply as being directed towards your statement and only represents my opinion.

Syringes are super convenient and do a really great job filling E2's. That said, people filling their cartos with a syringe look like drug addicts. I don't know about where you live/work but where I am, vaping is still pretty much unheard of. If one of my employees saw me filling a carto with a syringe, they'd probably call HR. Dripping in cartos, however, doesn't raise an eyebrow.

I'm pretty sure that just about anyone on ECF can properly use a syringe to refill a carto. That doesn't mean that everyone wants to do it though.
 

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Filling with a syringe is SIMPLE and takes 2 minutes from start to clean up.... tops!

I don't understand why anyone would even try another method. Plus if you get a 3 or 5 ml syringe, you can just leave the syringe filled and cap the blunt.

As far as I am concerned its the best part about these. Actually its about the only good thing about these cartos.
The Royal Smoker E2/v4 is ten times better performing.

Maybe you should do less panting about the syringe and figure out how to use one properly.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion on products, but there's no need to get personal about it. Why would you imply I don't know how to use one properly? I simply tried to give a mental picture of it being a PITA, which it is, IMO.

My primary point about syringes is that I am convinced that the vast majority of people would prefer to avoid syringes and/or complicated procedures, and most people new to vaping are going to be turned off by any product that requires using a syringe. That's why "anyone would even try another method."

So I suggest an easier method of refilling the Joye 510 cartomizers under discussion, one that avoids the syringe and avoids the necessity of dismantling the mouthpiece, etc. Why would anyone have a problem with that?
 

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Sorry, didn't mean to offend anyone with my post. I just don't see why anyone wouldn't want to use the syringe method, it works the best. IMO it is not a PIA, it is simple. Thats why I implied that maybe you are not using it correctly.

I do fill all of mine in the comfort of my home though, so I see your point about doing it in public. I would never do that! I have never filled a cartomizer with any method other than in the house. I don't get out much:)

Again, I apologize if I offended anyone.
 
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Sorry, didn't mean to offend anyone with my post. I just don't see why anyone wouldn't want to use the syringe method, it works the best.

I do fill all of mine in the comfort of my home though, so I see your point about doing it in public. I would never do that!

I love the syringe method too, no mess or anything to clean up. If you have soft caps then dripping in them is fine but I prefer filler free carto's anyway. When I go out I just make sure I have more then enough carto's already filled up to take with me. I find the condom method to be much more of a hassle and time consuming, fill, wipe down the carto, go rinse out the condom.
 

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There was no need to post negative comments on my user profile.
I can moderate those comments BTW

I'm not going to put anything else in this post that would fuel this argument.
I affiliate with no eCig Company. That is the final word.

I sent you a PM...let's get back to the subject

Cheers!

THanks for the PM. I have replied and I apologize for any disrespect. Carry on all :)

Back on topic, I have quite a bit more research to do with these, but I experienced the burnt taste and I was wondering if that could be attributed to poor wicking? Also, I was under the impression that these DO NOT have filler. Is that correct?
 

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Everyone is entitled to their opinion on products, but there's no need to get personal about it. Why would you imply I don't know how to use one properly? I simply tried to give a mental picture of it being a PITA, which it is, IMO.

My primary point about syringes is that I am convinced that the vast majority of people would prefer to avoid syringes and/or complicated procedures, and most people new to vaping are going to be turned off by any product that requires using a syringe. That's why "anyone would even try another method."

So I suggest an easier method of refilling the Joye 510 cartomizers under discussion, one that avoids the syringe and avoids the necessity of dismantling the mouthpiece, etc. Why would anyone have a problem with that?

I sure dont! Thanks for your help :)
 

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I have quite a bit more research to do with these, but I experienced the burnt taste and I was wondering if that could be attributed to poor wicking? Also, I was under the impression that these DO NOT have filler. Is that correct?

They do in fact have a fiber filler. And poor wicking? Slow wicking, I think, which may result in liquid not reaching the atomizer as fast as it should when doing "serious vaping" as I often do, taking multiple deep drags. They're not perfect, but I do like them a lot.

Keeping in mind that cartomizers are made to be disposable, I think getting even 4 or 5 good refills is money ahead, compared to analogs. I only tried the cartidge and atomizer a few times, and hated it.

I'm still working on a "perfect" system for refilling. Maybe a small funnel of some kind, with a blunt 20 gauge neck made of durable vinyl like the attachment on WD40 cans and just long enough to fit from mouthpiece hole to filler port, and a .8 ml bowl... still thinking on that part. ;-)
 

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THanks for the PM. I have replied and I apologize for any disrespect. Carry on all :)

Back on topic, I have quite a bit more research to do with these, but I experienced the burnt taste and I was wondering if that could be attributed to poor wicking? Also, I was under the impression that these DO NOT have filler. Is that correct?


And we're all good here...again...sorry for arguing.

Carry on people! Nothing to see here!
 

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They do in fact have a fiber filler. And poor wicking? Slow wicking, I think, which may result in liquid not reaching the atomizer as fast as it should when doing "serious vaping" as I often do, taking multiple deep drags. They're not perfect, but I do like them a lot.

Keeping in mind that cartomizers are made to be disposable, I think getting even 4 or 5 good refills is money ahead, compared to analogs. I only tried the cartidge and atomizer a few times, and hated it.

I'm still working on a "perfect" system for refilling. Maybe a small funnel of some kind, with a blunt 20 gauge neck made of durable vinyl like the attachment on WD40 cans and just long enough to fit from mouthpiece hole to filler port, and a .8 ml bowl... still thinking on that part. ;-)

Check out the following thread. The Spalding inflation needle might work for the Joye cartos.

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/experiments-equipment/126134-bottle-mod.html#post1971382

And here's lrd3's video showing the inflation needle:

YouTube - bottle mod / carto fill
 

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Check out the following thread. The Spalding inflation needle might work for the Joye cartos.

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/experiments-equipment/126134-bottle-mod.html#post1971382

And here's lrd3's video showing the inflation needle:

YouTube - bottle mod / carto fill

Yes, I have used the inflation needle too, as shown in the video you linked to, deback. In fact, I took it a step further. I discarded the barrier between the fill port and the mouthpiece. That way, I could leave the mouthpiece in place and stick a syringe though the mouth piece and directly into the fill port! Surprise! There was no liquid leaking into the mouthpiece with that barrier removed, after filling it as I just described. The neck of the fill port is small enough that it's not much of a conduit to the mouthpiece, as one might expect.

To take this a step further, I had to enlarge the hole in the fill port AND the mouthpiece to allow the fatter inflation needle to pass through both, as shown here.

inflation-needle-filling.jpg

The fatter inflation needle required that I break out a drill and put a 5/16" bit in it to drill through the mouthpiece to allow for the inflation needle to pass through it. It worked! I was then able to leave the mouthpiece in place, having discarded the barrier piece, and use the inflation needle attached to a small juice bottle. I just put the bottle up to the mouthpiece, passed it through the mouthpiece and directly into the fill port, squeezed the bottle a little, and slowly filled the carto. I used the same technique as shown in the video, but by removing that barrier piece and enlarging the mouthpiece hole, I could just stick the inflation needle right into the fill port.

Now you'd expect a lot of leakage of fluid back through that hole, but I didn't really notice any, and I'm still using those cartos today without leakage back into the mouthpiece. It's a bit airier in the draw, but I actually prefer that. Sometimes, especially with the automatic batteries I prefer, I feel like I'm sucking a raw egg through a pin hole in the shell!

Anyway, I should explain that the original picture I used above is a Joye eGo illustration on how to use the fill port to refill, but it's a very similar construction to the 510 carto, at least in that top part by the mouthpiece.

I gotta get some food! Later! :laugh:
 

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OK, now that I've eaten, I can move on to my next adventure...

I got a package today containing brand new Joye 510 cartomizers and some new juice. Time for a comparison test!

I opened two brand new cartos and a the new juice and filled both cartos with the same juice, one through the batt-hole and one with the "technically correct" method of popping out the mouthpiece and barrier, piercing the fill port opening with the tip of an icepick, and using a syringe to fill it. Both methods allowed the same amount of liquid to be put in before it started dripping out the other end. It appeared to me to be an identical amount. I also received brand new 510 automatic batteries, and put the cartos on those. I labeled each carto with a stick-on label and scotch taped it securely to keep them identified. I have been alternating vaping on them, and I can't tell any difference.

The only interesting thing so far is that the one I filled with the syringe method leaked at the battery seam, while the other one didn't. I don't know why. I expected the opposite, since filling through the battery port would leave a little juice welled up under the atomizer inside, I thought. But then, if it's overfilled from either direction, it's logical that the space between atomizer and battery threads would be flooded in either case.

I mean, let's consider this logically. If you can pass air from one end to the other, you can pass liquid through the same path. Any opening inside will be flooded if you put in more liquid than the fiber fill can hold. It doesn't matter which end is up, the liquid will move down and out any opening at the other end, unless trapped in the fiber fill, or temporarily trapped in a pocket inside... temporarily, until you reverse direction, then it will flow out the other end.

As I told my wife, if air can pass through, water can pass through, and probably a cockroach could pass through... and given a chance, a cat will try to pass through!

Phase two of this experiment will involve some minor willful destruction of both new cartos. I intend to vape them just until I taste a burnt taste. First bad taste and I stop. Then I will refill both cartos exactly the same way I filled them the first time. We'll see if there is a difference then, and I will especially be taking note of any burnt taste on the second fill after a minor scorching from the first.

Stay tuned....
 

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Phase two of my experiment is under way, as I now have both cartos refilled, again with the same methods are they were first filled. I have them both beside me now, still labeled, but I'm trying to avoid looking at the labels as I randomly pick up one of them, with some attempt at equal alternation. I try to not look at the labels because I don't want to put a bias on my opinions of the tastes as I attempt to see if one tastes different than the other. So far, no difference is detected.

One side note, I posted in the first phase that the one filled with a needle leaked at the battery seam, where battery and cartomizer are screwed together. This time, it was the one filled from the threaded end that leaked at that seam. So, this points to there being no difference... so far.

In this experiment, I am leaving the one filled from the battery end completely unaltered. No piercing of the fill port, the barrier still in place. The one filled with a needle, I put the barrier back in place after filling, as most people would do.

cartomizer-side-by-side-view.jpg

Here is a visual aid, showing the exploded view of the cartomizer beside the assembled view. You can now see where the "barrier piece" fits in the the assembled view, with the mouth piece on top of it. The barrier has a little plug in the middle that nestles into the fill port. This barrier is intended to keep juice from being drawn into the mouth, and it has two small holes in it, about the diameter of a paper clip, through which air passes, allowing vapor to pass through it. It works rather well, but if you overfill the carto, using any method, you'll still get juice coming up from below, through the air flow duct that runs along the side of the cartomizer from the atomizer at the bottom to the mouthpiece chamber at the top. It's half-moon shaped and runs along the side of the carto.

Here's a picture showing approximately how air flows from the atomizer at the bottom, up along one side of the carto body through an air flow duct, and into a chamber surrounding the fill port, up through two small holes in the barrier (kind of like the holes in a man-hole cover), then out through the mouthpiece.

cartomizer-airflow.jpg

I hope these visual aids help some people to understand the construction of the Joye cartomizers. As I said previously, the main picture here is from Joye, showing the fill port of the eGo cartomizer. But since the construction of the eGo and 510 cartos is so similar with the Joye products, the illustration is pretty accurate for the 510 carto.

Hope this helps.

BTW, I've been sitting here vaping my refilled cartos, one from syringe fill and one from threaded end fill, and I can still taste no difference. No TF difference either, and no leakage from either one, once I wiped up from the initial leakage I described above.

I'll continue this experiment through vaping both these cartos equally until empty, then repeat. I'll keep you posted.
 

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Well, the third refill of my new cartos ends in a draw. I filled the one I'm vaping now for the third time in a row with the same e-juice, having done the same with its twin. The one in my teeth as I type is the one filled by dripping into the battery end. The other one got filled for the third time with the "correct" method, using a syringe. No difference in taste or performance.

I believe anyone who experiences a burnt or scorched taste in their Joye cartomizers probably vaped them dry, either with the current or previous fills. I know that if I continue vaping them after the juice is mostly gone, I will get a burnt taste, and if continued, a nasty burnt plastic taste. I will occasionally get a slight scorched flavor if I vape too fast for the wick to keep up. If you vape them the way you used to smoke, not continuously, they will probably not taste burnt. All smokers know from experience that if you puff continuously on a cigarette, you will "hot box" it, making it so hot and overcooked, it's unsmokeable. The same principle applies here.

I'm reminded of the infamous Groucho Marx line, spoken to a couple with over a dozen children "I love my cigar too, but I take it out of my mouth once in awhile." :laugh:
 
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