Joye Ego Fakes?

[Safira]

I am one of the people in the camp that says this is a serious issue that needs clarifying.

I bought an e-go recently for my hubby, I bought from a list supplier (I won't mention the name publicly) but the kit looks like the 1st picture. I bought this kit specifically because I thought he might enjoy a drip tip better than carts, and wanted him to try it.

The supplier advertises that they are selling a "Joye e-go" and both atty's that came with the kit look like the joye brand. I wanted to get a kit for myself but now I am reluctant to buy from anyone until we can get to the bottom of this.

I being a US citizen like the idea of competition, and even knock-off's. But, when I buy a "real" Gucci purse I expect something different than when I buy the look alike.

I'm just saying I want to be informed, and why are there so many fake e-go's around or is something else going on.

 

[radicaljd]

I am one of the people in the camp that says this is a serious issue that needs clarifying.

I bought an e-go recently for my hubby, I bought from a list supplier (I won't mention the name publicly) but the kit looks like the 1st picture. I bought this kit specifically because I thought he might enjoy a drip tip better than carts, and wanted him to try it.

The supplier advertises that they are selling a "Joye e-go" and both atty's that came with the kit look like the joye brand. I wanted to get a kit for myself but now I am reluctant to buy from anyone until we can get to the bottom of this.

I being a US citizen like the idea of competition, and even knock-off's. But, when I buy a "real" Gucci purse I expect something different than when I buy the look alike.

I'm just saying I want to be informed, and why are there so many fake e-go's around or is something else going on.

Has anyone done a comparrison between the quality or reliability of the genuine Joye name-brand product, and the so-called knock-offs? I mean, I use generic computer parts all the time (e.g. memory chips, video cards, etc.) and save money with them, and they work exactly the same as name-brand items sold by BestBuy. Is the same true with PV components?

RadicalJD

 

[IVapus]

So, if I understand correctly, Joye is warning us that there are eGo clones on the loose, yet noone seems to be able to point to any known performance deficiencies, safety issues, manufacturing quality issues, distinguishing marks, packaging, or anything else that can reliably be used to identify them. This has the effect of creating a lot of confusion and FUD for which Joye shares a lot of the blame in my view. I don't see how what they are doing is in any way benefitting the consumer, except to have people that actually bought and received the genuine article second guessing themselves from here to kingdom come, with no known means of achieving satisfaction.

What they ought to do, it seems to me, is to either come up with a more foolproof way of branding their product(probably not so easy if it's even possible, and won't help with genuine product already sold), or preferably make available a list of authorized retailers online. They could even explicitly list retailers that are known to be selling clones legitimately(i.e. as explicit knockoffs) or illegitimately(i.e. falsely claiming they are selling genuine Joye products). If you bought from one of the authorized resellers you should be able to feel confident that you got the real deal, and if not then you most likely(but not necessarily) didn't. There will always be resellers that might choose to cross the line or that are supplied by unscrupulous distributors who interchange real and counterfeit merchandise unbeknownst to them. Probably the only way to protect against that is through periodic spot checking and staying one step ahead of the counterfeiters.

Instead, they put out what it seems to me amounts to useless information. "Be very afraid, there are lots of fakes being sold out there. They may not work worth a cr@p, and worse they could be dangerous. Now we're not going to tell you how you can protect yourself, but be afraid." How this is helpful to anyone I don't know.

 

[Surf Monkey]

Is the same true with PV components?

Not in all cases, no. Non Joye 510 atomizers won't work on some 510 compatible hardware, the PureSmoker Prodigy V2 & 3 for example.

 

[LordJ]

IVapus, that was a great post,you should send that directly to JOYE.If they had done this the problem would have been over before it started.

 

[IVapus]

Has anyone done a comparrison between the quality or reliability of the genuine Joye name-brand product, and the so-called knock-offs? I mean, I use generic computer parts all the time (e.g. memory chips, video cards, etc.) and save money with them, and they work exactly the same as name-brand items sold by BestBuy. Is the same true with PV components?

RadicalJD

I'm sure that's a part of Joye's concern. We're not talking about rocket science here. It's not outside of the realm of possibility that someone could make a knockoff that's better than the real thing(i.e. correcting minor deficiencies, etc.). I wouldn't be at all surprised if it's happened before. Just on general principle though, I would be ...... if I was deceived into paying the markup for a knockoff that was advertised as genuine, regardless of how it performed. I have no problem whatsoever paying less for a knockoff that I'm familiar with the quality of, and is sold straight up as exactly what it is.

 

[Kent C]

Not in all cases, no. Non Joye 510 atomizers won't work on some 510 compatible hardware, the PureSmoker Prodigy V2 & 3 for example.

Hey Surf!

I hadn't heard that. What makes them not fit/work? I've had SLB attys on the Protege but don't have the Prodigy. BTW, which do you like the best - the V2 or V3?

 

[portguy]

I'm sure that's a part of Joye's concern. We're not talking about rocket science here. It's not outside of the realm of possibility that someone could make a knockoff that's better than the real thing(i.e. correcting minor deficiencies, etc.). I wouldn't be at all surprised if it's happened before. Just on general principle though, I would be ...... if I was deceived into paying the markup for a knockoff that was advertised as genuine, regardless of how it performed. I have no problem whatsoever paying less for a knockoff that I'm familiar with the quality of, and is sold straight up as exactly what it is.

It has happened with the eGo. There are some eGo's (yes as radicaljd pointed there is no intellectual property IN China among Chinese manufacturers and this is shown by Joye pointing the finger to a Korean eGo) from major Joye's competitors. Some are as good or better than Joye's. Of course there are some knock-offs in the sense that they don't perform as good or closely to the original concept.

WHAT pisses me off is the way some companies sell these non Joye eGo's: at the exact same price as the original. Now...if that kit can cost up to 15 dollars less than the eGo who's fooling who?

 

[IVapus]

It has happened with the eGo. There are some eGo's (yes as radicaljd pointed there is no intellectual property IN China among Chinese manufacturers and this is shown by Joye pointing the finger to a Korean eGo) from major Joye's competitors. Some are as good or better than Joye's. Of course there are some knock-offs in the sense that they don't perform as good or closely to the original concept.

WHAT pisses me off is the way some companies sell these non Joye eGo's: at the exact same price as the original. Now...if that kit can cost up to 15 dollars less than the eGo who's fooling who?

Not sure I follow your point. Are you suggesting that Joye doesn't so much have a problem with the Chinese eGo knockoffs and clones, but they have a problem now that they've started making them in Korea?

 

[Abe]

Are they $15 less? I would doubt they are but it would be interesting to know. What is more likely is that they are a similar price, just incorrectly purchased. Spam mails are common to suppliers, ego, vgo etc and the prices are not that different than joye ego, sometimes a little more. Quite often, a supplier will be told that they are buying Joye products but they are not actually Joye. I personally have come across this from one guy who I bought a few samples, I figure the guy couldn't lie straight in bed in the end and stopped talking to him. Some of these devices are sold pretty hard to vendors, it's not always as simple as it seems.

 

[BuzzKill]

Like this EGO£­Noble Enterprise(H.K.) Co., Ltd

EGO !

Man theirs a lot of EGO'S around here LOL !

 

[Abe]

The odd thing is, if they actually took the eGo ergonomic design and put a true 3.7v (4.2v) performing cell then it might become quite popular without needing to trade on the eGo name. Is it any worse though than the RN4075's that were sold as 901's by a lot of the sellers? Maybe eGo is becoming generic, like 510's and 901's before them, like a class unto its own? I use the term 901 class and 510 class when describing hardware that is compatible, i.e. threads match.

 

[IVapus]

If a retailer is unable to distinguish a fake eGo from a real one then you could have a real problem, especially if Joye ever fails to keep up with distributor demand. I could easily see some distributor slipping a few fakes in the supply chain to fill the voids.

Another strategy it seems Joye could employ would be to serialize these units at manufacturing time. Not sure how difficult or expensive that would be, but it would seem difficult to fake, or at least it would make it easier to spot check and track through the supply chain if there was a suspicion of fakes being supplied to a legitimate retailer.

 

[Abe]

There are usually enough signs if you know what you are looking for; buttons are slightly different, end led caps are different, different insulators on the atomizers. All very minor and would probably pass by most peoples eye. It's been going on for a while, not just the eGo. I think the customer should be given as much information as possible by the vendor, it is then up to them if they buy the product. You are going to struggle though when the suppliers can't tell the differenceas you say IVapus.

 

[radicaljd]

A few weeks ago, I got a no-name ecig from a truck stop (I was waiting for my eGo), and the instruction manual said, "Suck slow for best pleasure." Hmmm, obviously not written by someone with English as a first language. Sounds like they copied it from a book on improving one's marriage. lol

 

[wardge76]

A few weeks ago, I got a no-name ecig from a truck stop (I was waiting for my eGo), and the instruction manual said, "Suck slow for best pleasure." Hmmm, obviously not written by someone with English as a first language. Sounds like they copied it from a book on improving one's marriage. lol

This is freaking hilarious!

So here's my 2 cents... I don't think vendors should be calling items "genuine" if they aren't - plain and simple. However, I don't necessarily think that having "clones" in the marketplace is a bad thing. As long as they are represented that way when being sold and they aren't priced the same.

I look at it like this... If I go to the store and buy a can of corn, there are many brands and different kinds of packaging, but they all contain the same thing.. corn.

 

[Safira]

There are usually enough signs if you know what you are looking for; buttons are slightly different, end led caps are different, different insulators on the atomizers. All very minor and would probably pass by most peoples eye. It's been going on for a while, not just the eGo. I think the customer should be given as much information as possible by the vendor, it is then up to them if they buy the product. You are going to struggle though when the suppliers can't tell the differenceas you say IVapus.

You are right LibertyFlights, but I would like to know how we can identify the clones. When the other atomizers 1st came out you could tell by looking inside the atomizer.

In the 2 pictures from the 1st post it looks like possibly there is a little black band on the top of the battery. Or is the clones like the link above where the button looks different. Did Joye post actual pictures on there website of a clone? Or did they just post some pictures with a general warning?

Again I don't mind, I just like know what I am buying.

 

[IVapus]

So here's my 2 cents... I don't think vendors should be calling items "genuine" if they aren't - plain and simple. However, I don't necessarily think that having "clones" in the marketplace is a bad thing. As long as they are represented that way when being sold and they aren't priced the same.

That's my view also in a nutshell.

I look at it like this... If I go to the store and buy a can of corn, there are many brands and different kinds of packaging, but they all contain the same thing.. corn.

Exactly, and remember when all of the generic or store brands sucked universally(if you're old enough)? Not the case at all any more. Depending on the store, some of them do still suck, but in many cases today in the better stores, they are just as good for a lot of the products, and in a few cases they can even be better than some of the many name brands next to them on the shelf. The name brands that don't offer any real benefit in taste or quality are counting on the fact that the majority of consumers will tend to buy them only because they are name brand and for no other reason, and as long as that works for them they're going to keep on doing it. Why wouldn't they?

 

[Scarlet Fire]

This is interesting. I bought a Joye eGo a week ago from a supplier selling them at a very good price. Kimmy, my instruction booklet reads like yours, by the way. I love my eGo (or whatever it is), but I'm a little bit bothered that a product can use the exact same name as the original. Taking the can of corn, for example- sure, there are a lot of brands offered and they all contain corn, but they all have different brands attached to them. Consumers know what company they're purchasing from and they can make an informed decision accordingly. Sure, this sort of wild, wild west (meets east!) in terms of patenting and marketing, but I fully sympathize with the developers of these products that are basically having both their designs and their name or brand stolen.

Before my eGo, my first pc was a KR808D1 that I purchased from a vendor other than VFL. They didn't say it was a Vapor King, but I was advised elsewhere on here that it was the same thing. Given that it's a device a lot of folks mentioned on here by number, not by name, I thought it would be the same thing, just without the brand and at a lower price.

My friend started vaping at the same time I did, only he started with a Vapor King kit from VFL. After a week or so of me complaining about not getting the hit I wanted and him being perfectly satsfied with his pv, I tried a drag on his. Huge difference! While was drawing in a fair amount of air, he was getting nothing but vape. Upon inspection, the holes around the LED light were larger on my batt, allowing more air in. I ordered a manual batt from VFL and the problem was solved.

Again, I'm very happy with my eGo. I'm just hoping that I received what I thought I was buying!

 

[mikecyber]

Phew, am I glad I read this before clicking "submit". Oh wait, I got that backwards. I just dumped almost a hundred dollars into a faked eGo.

Info taken from the place I bought my clone and Electronic Cigarette,E-Cigarette Products

Even the mAH's don't match!
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All recent legit eGo's are rubberized, the one I ordered isn't. The price was average for eGo's, but who knows which, if any, of them are legit at this point.

Even if the thing I ordered is better than the real eGo in every single way I'll still be angry.
Every time the word eGo was written on the site it was preceded with "Genuine JoyeTech". They also went so far as to label other products Not Genuine JoyeTech as if they are making a worthwhile distinction. My point, an average person would think the product was an eGo as produced by JoyeTech and that JoyeTech is the same business as joyetech.com.

ECF is a community, and communities (should) have rules and regulations to protect their citizens. Misleading customers about products may be common but suppliers listed on ECF should be held to a higher standard.

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