Joyetech ego-c Twist ...

[John D in CT]

As far as melting solder goes, I have dry burned many a CE2 in my day. The coil is soldered to the lead wires and even though the resistance wires get red hot, the solder does not melt. That being said, I don't like using high wattage or dual coils. The $30 price tag sounds reasonable for what it is, and if it lasts a year I would be happy with it. Some applications may require more than this, but as others have said most would at least be happy.

I'm not sure why you have a blanket objection to "using high wattage". The goal is to apply an "optimum wattage" to a coil or coils, not to use high wattage for its own sake, as that position seems to imply.

And I think that those who "would at least be happy" would be even happier in the applications you refer to that "may require more [wattage]" than what even the Twist can provide. To me, the Twist would really only fall short when using single coils of 3.0 ohms or greater, or 1.5 ohm dual coils, by maxing out at 7.6 watts per coil.

Add to that the limited battery capability that a 3.4 volt Joyetech Twist will have when making 4.8 volts from 3.4 volts, and the fact that being a sealed PV it will be out of service while it's recharging unless it is offered and being used as a passthrough, and I think the alternatives for achieving variable voltage quickly start to look a lot better.

 

[ChrispyCritter]

As far as melting solder goes, I have dry burned many a CE2 in my day. The coil is soldered to the lead wires and even though the resistance wires get red hot, the solder does not melt. That being said, I don't like using high wattage or dual coils. The $30 price tag sounds reasonable for what it is, and if it lasts a year I would be happy with it. Some applications may require more than this, but as others have said most would at least be happy.

Yes I burn them off all the time myself but I don't inhale the vapor off them when doing so..I even solder them myself including soldering NiChrome wire to the lead wire..wrapping it myself and replacing the coil in the CE2. I wasn't saying it gets hot enough to melt completely but it does get pretty hot and when burning off I can smell the solder getting hot.

 

[ChrispyCritter]

Chrispy; look, you're a fine guy, that's obvious. But you continue to advance what I consider to be an alarmist position about applying as little as 9 or 10 watts to a coil. A typical nightlight puts out about 6. You have spoken of feeding liquid to a coil keep it cool as if it were a nuclear reactor. A coil's job is to get warm enough to properly vaporize an e-juice, and talk of trying to keep it cool frankly makes no sense to me whatsoever.

There's a difference between a sealed night light and an "open" coil in a tight space surrounded by things that can melt that you're inhaling through..the filament in the bulb isn't touching the glass and is suspended by wire in an sealed environment (LED's are different though)..I'm not talking about cooling the coil so much as cooling the stuff that is near it but you would have to keep the coil below a certain temperature especially with VG to keep it from getting too hot..also to keep the coil from melting.

I think that if vapers using the wattage's I've been talking about have been inhaling harmful amounts of toxic fumes created by the incineration of of atomizer and cartomizer materials that we would have heard something about it by now, and I think that remains a product of your imagination, coupled with a misinterpretation of the little scorch marks I've seen in the pictures that you have posted of poly-fill after one of your carto autopsies.

I don't know about enough to be immediately toxic but I am concerned with long term which is an unknown..I'm just trying to limit my exposure and as I've been exposed to lots of things in my life that aren't good for me. The picture I posted wasn't even a bad one it was one I used a few days on and off when trying 4 of those DC cartos I got in a tank kit..maybe later I'll dig out the parts I have saved from other cartos. You also have to take into account that I only used said cartos on eGo's not high voltage.

To anyone who has had the misfortune to have read this entire thread; please just take the time, and spend the little bit of money it takes, to get yourself a variable voltage device, and see what difference it makes in your enjoyment of vaping. Remember Goldilocks? Same deal. Just as she was able to optimize her chair and bed hardness/softness, and her porridge temperature, you will be able to optimize the warmth of your coil or coils until you get a vape that's "just right".

I agree they are nice devices but I recommend to not overdo it and if you use high volts not to use it enough where the carto gets hot to the touch.

For $29, you can get a very good idea of what VV can do for your vape by getting the Joyetech Twist when it comes out. For $59, you can get a Lavatube that will let you see what VV at higher (than 4.8) voltage and higher resistance adds to the experience. For the ultimate in performance, you can get a ProVari V2, or a device that I think will be at least as good, the Smoktech VMax, although the latter uses stacked batteries and shouldn't be used unless you fully understand all of the implications involved in their use. It is not presently available in a configuration that complies with the ECF EMSS standards. not ECF-compliant.

Try variable voltage (or a variable wattage APV like the Darwin), and I think that you will live happily ever after.

If you want to drive dual coils at high voltage best to use a stacked device with a high amp rating..but I don't recommend driving them too high. I think a good amount of people would be very happy with the eGo Twist as long as it works well..not everyone feels the need to crank out hot vapor.

I understand there are some here that do like to go high voltage but how many of the 88,569 members or 12,287 active members do is the question. Really to answer that you would have to have a good sample taking a poll (I would suggest where close to 1,000 took the poll to be accurate) the only thing with polls is they can be skewed because people can make more than one account and vote multiple times (I know this from polls on another board where people did it all the time to get their opinion through)..I would suspect it's probably less than 5% though. Most of the threads people are linking about using high voltages are only a few people really.

The Darwin really interests me it's just way out of my price range that I would pay for a PV..maybe sometime another wattage adjustable/regulated device will come to market that's lower cost..but really by varying the volts you're doing the same thing..that device just keeps it at or very close the watts you select.

 

[John D in CT]

Chrispy, please compare and contrast "cranking out hot vapor" to "warming the juice to the optimal level at which thoat hit, flavor, and vapor are optimized".

And as far as what "most people" do; I do what makes the most sense to me, based on science, logic, and reason.

"Most people" believe that hell is an actual place, and "most people" do not accept the theory of evolution as being valid.

http://www.harrisinteractive.com/vault/Harris_Poll_2009_12_15.pdf

"If you want to drive dual coils at high voltage best to use a stacked device with a high amp rating..but I don't recommend driving them too high. I think a good amount of people would be very happy with the eGo Twist as long as it works well..not everyone feels the need to crank out hot vapor".

One more time; I am not advocating using excessive wattage for its own sake ("driving them too high"). And there's a better vaping experience out there than what the Twist can provide, just on battery capacity alone. Never mind the fact that IMO it can't properly motivate many juices when using dual coils.

Many people will be very happy with the Twist; that's great. Would they be happier with a better device? I think that is beyond any reasonable doubt.

I do hope that you can overcome your fear that your PV will cause you significant harm if you vape at wattages sufficient to properly warm the juice.

 

[ChrispyCritter]

Chrispy, please compare and contrast "cranking out hot vapor" to "warming the juice to the optimal level at which thoat hit, flavor, and vapor are optimized".

The problem is that some people like to overdo things like it's some kind of contest and are running their devices to the point of the coils melting.

And as far as what "most people" do; I do what makes the most sense to me, based on science, logic, and reason.

"Most people" believe that hell is an actual place, and "most people" do not accept the theory of evolution as being valid.

I can't comment on "hell" like written in the bible as I really don't believe in written word "religion" I do accept evolution though..I see the universe and as living growing thing in a way with it's approximate 70-300 sextillion stars (could be a lot more that is just an estimate of what we can "see" also it's really hard to get a number because it's so many)..there are 100-200 billion in our galaxy alone. Sometimes I can almost get my "head" around it and almost understand the universe (or feel like I can almost)...

http://www.harrisinteractive.com/vault/Harris_Poll_2009_12_15.pdf

"If you want to drive dual coils at high voltage best to use a stacked device with a high amp rating..but I don't recommend driving them too high. I think a good amount of people would be very happy with the eGo Twist as long as it works well..not everyone feels the need to crank out hot vapor".

There are people you can "get through to" and there are people you can't. I fear that you are in the latter camp.

IDK it depends on your perception and maybe we are just both misunderstanding things that are written by each other.

One more time; I am not advocating using excessive wattage for its own sake ("driving them too high"). And there's a better vaping experience out there than what the Twist can provide, just on battery capacity alone. Never mind the fact that IMO it can't properly motivate many juices when using dual coils.

This is basically what I'm saying not to go to high. I also agree that the Twist isn't a high mAh device and a higher one will work better.

Many people will be very happy with the Twist; that's great. Would they be happier with a better device? I think that is beyond any reasonable doubt.

I agree higher mAh and better device will work better but they are also bigger..a lot of people would want something that is easier to carry around with them that is of a lower price..if this device works ok I would suggest having more than 1 also because that's what I do carry a few devices with me. I can't fault anyone for buying the better device though either.

I do hope that you can overcome your fear that your PV will cause you significant harm if you vape at wattages sufficient to properly warm the juice.

There is nothing to overcome my juices I use taste great at the voltages I use in my 2.5ohm CE2's..I have tried higher and tested to be sure they were getting enough juice to the coil to the point of flooding it and 4.2 volts works for me really well..over 4.4v with my cartos even to the point of flooding and it ruins the flavors I use. I use at least 7 different flavors also in the 18-24mg range...

 

[John D in CT]

I'm just going to stand by my previous comments, and take a long break from this.

 

[ChrispyCritter]

I'm just going to stand by my previous comments, and take a long break from this.

Hey if it's stressing you take a break Some of the things I wrote last night might be a little off (at least when I posted really late like the last couple posts after 3am) but I was really tired and should have went to bed earlier..I haven't gone back to re-read them and probably won't.

I'm pretty awake today though. It's good to stand by your opinions and I stand behind mine until I am proven wrong..don't let the argument stress you and I feel we have been having a nice calm argument about our opinions at least that's my perception of it..nothing wrong with a healthy argument it keeps our minds sharp

 

[wv2win]

Oh yeah I can rip a computer,car,game system apart and put them back together..I can take apart these cartomizers and rebuild them but I can't figure out how to use a PV with an IQ in the high gifted range. I'm the kind of person who knows how to do things especially with mechanical things...

Your polls doesn't go into how safe it is to use higher voltages..then the 1st poll 15 people choose 6w or less (25.86%) more than any other one choice..BTW 60.33% choose 6w-9w..I said much above 4.2v with a 2.5ohm CE2 (or what I meant) or the atomizers I build myself that are in the range of about 2.5-3ohms..I'm also referring to single coils more.

I understand if you use a dual coil it can take more to drive it..but you know what I have seen melted things in 1.5ohm DC cartos that were used on an eGo..if you want to use a mass produced in China carto/atty's with poly-fill at high voltage enjoy...

Three paragraphs/sentences and you said nothing to refute the point of these polls and many other polls over the last three years: a large percentage of vapers like to vape above 4.5 volts and 8.0 watts. The fact that you don't is fine but is not indicative of what many people prefer. And all of us who do vape in those ranges regularly, do not have burning eliquid problems or burning poly-fil problems or unsafe battery problems. We just like nice warm vapor with a good throat hit.

You can obfuscate all you want, but it doesn't change the numbers or the fact that a large percentage of vapers do not vape the way you do.

 

[ChrispyCritter]

Three paragraphs/sentences and you said nothing to refute the point of these polls and many other polls over the last three years: a large percentage of vapers like to vape above 4.5 volts and 8.0 watts. The fact that you don't is fine but is not indicative of what many people prefer. And all of us who do vape in those ranges regularly, do not have burning eliquid problems or burning poly-fil problems or unsafe battery problems. We just like nice warm vapor with a good throat hit.

You can obfuscate all you want, but it doesn't change the numbers or the fact that a large percentage of vapers do not vape the way you do.

How many of them are pulling apart their cartomizers and looking for melting? Where did I say 8w was bad..I said my 2.5ohm CE2 at 4.2v sometimes 4.4v works for me and much over that is too much..4.5v isn't much over that unless you're talking low resistance single coils..what I have been "saying" is over 9w is probably too much which is what the safe vaping chart pretty much says. I understand wattage/resistance/voltage/amperage and understand that you can't just say a voltage number because the resistance matters.

Poll numbers can be skewed a lot of ways in favor of an argument..I don't see a large sample poll to get accurate numbers either nor a long thread where hundreds of people posted. So where do you get the accurate "large percentage of vapors" from? What I see is maybe a couple dozen people posting and a poll with 58 people responding and another with 67 where the voltages are 3.8-4.9 a pretty wide margin that you even admit.

I don't think those polls even touch on accurate when there are 88,584 members and 12,292 active members here..plus a lot of people that post in this forum don't even go to the poll board..most likely the numbers are skewed by people who like high voltage a little bit because they are the kind of people more likely to go to the poll board..either way I can't be 100% sure on the polls without a much wider sample...

 

[jimbill]

Thanks for posting the chart chrispycritter where can i get a copy at thanks.

 

[ChrispyCritter]

Thanks for posting the chart chrispycritter where can i get a copy at thanks.

Here's a direct link to one..if you want a copy on your computer right click and save it..if you have any questions on how to save it just let me know and post what browser you are using..I am running 3 on my computer so I can look..I also have at least 5 operating systems I can reference..2 boot and a few running on VirtualBox

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v202/trinitrophenol/unled66-1.jpg

 

[jimbill]

Here's a direct link to one..if you want a copy on your computer right click and save it..if you have any questions on how to save it just let me know and post what browser you are using..I am running 3 on my computer so I can look..I also have at least 5 operating systems I can reference..2 boot and a few running on VirtualBox

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v202/trinitrophenol/unled66-1.jpg

got it thank you very much

 

[wv2win]

Three paragraphs/sentences and you said nothing to refute the point of these polls and many other polls over the last three years: a large percentage of vapers like to vape above 4.5 volts and 8.0 watts. The fact that you don't is fine but is not indicative of what many people prefer. And all of us who do vape in those ranges regularly, do not have burning eliquid problems or burning poly-fil problems or unsafe battery problems. We just like nice warm vapor with a good throat hit.

You can obfuscate all you want, but it doesn't change the numbers or the fact that a large percentage of vapers do not vape the way you do.

How many of them are pulling apart their cartomizers and looking for melting? Where did I say 8w was bad..I said my 2.5ohm CE2 at 4.2v sometimes 4.4v works for me and much over that is too much..4.5v isn't much over that unless you're talking low resistance single coils..what I have been "saying" is over 9w is probably too much which is what the safe vaping chart pretty much says. I understand wattage/resistance/voltage/amperage and understand that you can't just say a voltage number because the resistance matters.

Poll numbers can be skewed a lot of ways in favor of an argument..I don't see a large sample poll to get accurate numbers either nor a long thread where hundreds of people posted. So where do you get the accurate "large percentage of vapors" from? What I see is maybe a couple dozen people posting and a poll with 58 people responding and another with 67 where the voltages are 3.8-4.9 a pretty wide margin that you even admit.

I don't think those polls even touch on accurate when there are 88,584 members and 12,292 active members here..plus a lot of people that post in this forum don't even go to the poll board..most likely the numbers are skewed by people who like high voltage a little bit because they are the kind of people more likely to go to the poll board..either way I can't be 100% sure on the polls without a much wider sample...

You continue to obfuscate, which is your modus operandi. If I had the time and inclination (which I don't) I could point to thousands of posts on multiple vaping sites demonstrating that a large portion of vapers prefer vaping above 4.5 volts on both standard and dual coil equipment. I could also point out the many Vape Fests I've been to where at least 50% of the people where vaping in that range also. But why bother when it comes to you. It's doesn't matter what facts are provided, you just continue to make inane comments that refute nothing. Some people like cold vaper like you do and that is fine. But many prefer to vape in ranges above what you like. Why don't you just try accepting that obvious fact and realize people are different and it's not all about you.

 

[John D in CT]

got it thank you very much

Jimbill, when you print out that chart, be sure the crumple it up, and then throw it away. Please don't buy into the indefensible fear-mongering that ChrispyCritter is engaging in here. If anyone can provide a shred of scientific evidence that vaping at up to 14 watts per coil causes any detectable harm to one's health, I would love to see it. Failing that, I don't want to hear any more wild speculation based on some smudges on some polyfill, or tanks that make someone go ouchy-ouch.

You continue to obfuscate, which is your modus operandi. If I had the time and inclination (which I don't) I could point to thousands of posts on multiple vaping sites demonstrating that a large portion of vapers prefer vaping above 4.5 volts on both standard and dual coil equipment. I could also point out the many Vape Fests I've been to where at least 50% of the people where vaping in that range also. But why bother when it comes to you. It's doesn't matter what facts are provided, you just continue to make inane comments that refute nothing. Some people like cold vaper like you do and that is fine. But many prefer to vape in ranges above what you like. Why don't you just try accepting that obvious fact and realize people are different and it's not all about you.

Dittos. Chrispy, just please give it up. What you're saying about the health risks of vaping at up to 14 watts per coil is completely contrary to what I have heard anywhere else. Not from PBusardo, Scott the English guy, any other single reviewer, or in any thread that I have ever read here, or from anyone I have ever talked to.

I realize you've taken a lot of stuff apart, and know something about electronics, but we have a choice here. We can either assume that you are correct and everyone else is wrong, or we can go with the obvious; that the reverse is much more accurate.

I'm sure you're familiar with Occam's Razor, which simply states that when one is confronted with a multitude of possibilities, that the most likely one is generally the correct one. Here again, it doesn't look good for you.

Lastly, your expressed views bring to mind a saying coined by the late, very great Carl Sagan; "Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence".

"The origins of the saying can perhaps be found in Hume’s Maxim:

'No testimony is sufficient to establish a miracle, unless the testimony be of such a kind that its falsehood would be more miraculous than the fact which it endeavors to establish…'

Replace “miracle” with “extraordinary claim”, and you have the basis of the quote that Carl Sagan popularized. And intuitively, most people would agree with it in principle. For example, if I told you I had cereal for breakfast, you would probably believe me. You know cereal exists and that people eat it for breakfast. Of course, I could be lying, but even if I were, I have not asked you to accept some new and extraordinary idea. (The fact that I lied wouldn’t mean that cereal somehow doesn’t exist any more.) However, if I told you that the cereal I eat every day will guarantee that I will never get sick and will live to be 100, you would probably want some evidence of that, and some pretty good evidence too.

Strictly speaking, all claims require exactly the same amount of evidence, it’s just that most "ordinary" claims are already backed by extraordinary evidence that you don’t think about. When we say “extraordinary claims”, what we actually mean are claims that do not already have evidence supporting them, or sometimes claims that have extraordinary evidence against them. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence because they usually contradict claims that are backed by extraordinary evidence. The evidence for the extraordinary claim must support the new claim as well as explain why the old claims that are now being abandoned, previously appeared to be correct. The extraordinary evidence must account for the abandoned claim, while also explaining the new one".

http://skeptico.blogs.com/skeptico/2008/01/extraordinary-c.html

So if you have any extraordinary evidence, other than the far from extraordinary (IMO) evidence you've presented thus far, for your claims about the health hazards of vaping at the wattages I've been referring to, please do share. (But maybe not in bold red, please)?

 

[ChrispyCritter]

You continue to obfuscate, which is your modus operandi. If I had the time and inclination (which I don't) I could point to thousands of posts on multiple vaping sites demonstrating that a large portion of vapers prefer vaping above 4.5 volts on both standard and dual coil equipment. I could also point out the many Vape Fests I've been to where at least 50% of the people where vaping in that range also. But why bother when it comes to you. It's doesn't matter what facts are provided, you just continue to make inane comments that refute nothing. Some people like cold vaper like you do and that is fine. But many prefer to vape in ranges above what you like. Why don't you just try accepting that obvious fact and realize people are different and it's not all about you.

What facts? You have provided very few "facts" mostly opinion with polls with less than 100 people responding in an obscure board that a lot of people don't visit. If you can show me 1,000 posts like you claim then do so.

Did you poll those 50% of people at the vape fest? Does the average vaper go to those fests in the 1st place or mostly the ones who consider themselves "hardcore"?..BTW as I posted 4.5v isn't way outside of a range depending on the ohms in one of my posts I posted about 5v or higher.

I see very few "facts" and mostly opinion. I have the time to post..I accept that people have a right to vape at whatever volt they want but I also have a right to my opinion...

 

[ChrispyCritter]

So if you have any extraordinary evidence, other than the far from extraordinary (IMO) evidence you've presented thus far, for your claims about the health hazards of vaping at the wattages I've been referring to, please do share. (But maybe not in bold red, please)?

Edit: I only posted in bold read so it's easy to read my replies..I can post in any available color..which is a lot of color choice since I can use the color palette.

Here you go a 1.5ohm DC tank cartomizer that I ran on my eGo for less than a full 3.5ml tankful..I also rinsed it out so nobody can make claims of juice being on it. If you notice the wrapping right around the coil itself is pretty melted..it wasn't ran out of juice as I pulled what remaining juice out of it with a syringe..enjoy your high voltage vaping...

 

[wv2win]

Jimbill, when you print out that chart, be sure the crumple it up, and then throw it away. Please don't buy into the indefensible fear-mongering that ChrispyCritter is engaging in here. If anyone can provide a shred of scientific evidence that vaping at up to 14 watts per coil causes any detectable harm to one's health, I would love to see it. Failing that, I don't want to hear any more wild speculation based on some smudges on some polyfill, or tanks that make someone go ouchy-ouch.



Dittos. Chrispy, just please give it up. What you're saying about the health risks of vaping at up to 14 watts per coil is completely contrary to what I have heard anywhere else. Not from PBusardo, Scott the English guy, any other single reviewer, or in any thread that I have ever read here, or from anyone I have ever talked to>

I realize you've taken a lot of stuff apart, and know something about electronics, but we have a choice here. We can either assume that you are correct and everyone else is wrong, or we can go with the obvious; that the reverse is much more accurate.

I'm sure you're familiar with Occam's Razor, which simply states that when one is confronted with a multitude of possibilities, that the most likely one is generally the correct one. Here again, it doesn't look good for you.

Lastly, your expressed views bring to mind a saying coined by the late, very great Carl Sagan; "Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence".

"The origins of the saying can perhaps be found in Hume’s Maxim:

'No testimony is sufficient to establish a miracle, unless the testimony be of such a kind that its falsehood would be more miraculous than the fact which it endeavors to establish…'

Replace “miracle” with “extraordinary claim”, and you have the basis of the quote that Carl Sagan popularized. And intuitively, most people would agree with it in principle. For example, if I told you I had cereal for breakfast, you would probably believe me. You know cereal exists and that people eat it for breakfast. Of course, I could be lying, but even if I were, I have not asked you to accept some new and extraordinary idea. (The fact that I lied wouldn’t mean that cereal somehow doesn’t exist any more.) However, if I told you that the cereal I eat every day will guarantee that I will never get sick and will live to be 100, you would probably want some evidence of that, and some pretty good evidence too.

Strictly speaking, all claims require exactly the same amount of evidence, it’s just that most "ordinary" claims are already backed by extraordinary evidence that you don’t think about. When we say “extraordinary claims”, what we actually mean are claims that do not already have evidence supporting them, or sometimes claims that have extraordinary evidence against them. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence because they usually contradict claims that are backed by extraordinary evidence. The evidence for the extraordinary claim must support the new claim as well as explain why the old claims that are now being abandoned, previously appeared to be correct. The extraordinary evidence must account for the abandoned claim, while also explaining the new one".

http://skeptico.blogs.com/skeptico/2008/01/extraordinary-c.html

So if you have any extraordinary evidence, other than the far from extraordinary (IMO) evidence you've presented thus far, for your claims about the health hazards of vaping at the wattages I've been referring to, please do share. (But maybe not in bold red, please)?

Well reasoned response, John. But unfortunately he would rather live in his own little world and the buses don't stop there. Say fini.

 

[ChrispyCritter]

Well reasoned response, John. But unfortunately he would rather live in his own little world and the buses don't stop there. Say fini.

Yeah the only buses that stop near where I live are school buses otherwise I drive a car I'll try to not comment on your insult here except this sentence and my joke...

 

[donnah]

Ok guys... this discussion got me curious and concerned. So I decided to sacrifice a perfectly good working carto in the name of science. This carto has been in a tank for 3 weeks now. It is a boge xxl 3ohm single coil carto. I've vaped it every day at around 5v. It has had the exact same juice ran through it.. my own diy caramel capp.. I've refilled the tank dozens of times..at least once every day. This carto was in use a week before my Mountain camping trip and the whole week I was camping and the last week I've been home. It's been used well. After 3 weeks I decided it was time to retire it anyway. I just took it apart and took pictures. I can't prove the pictures are mine other than they have my name on them and they have my SGT Army Tank in the background.. not every one has one of these. Anyway..

I used tweezers to pull it out of the tank.. this is what it looked like.


I'm impressed.. it's all still nice and white. I did not rinse anything out.
The next picture is everything all laid out.. the filler is nice and white and not burnt at all. The coil is not gunked up at all. The small white piece of cloth (or whatever it is) was what was wrapped directly around the coil/atty. The inside of the carto is now empty.


Good or bad, right or wrong, school bus or car. This is what mine looks like after 3 weeks vaping at 8.3333 watts. I myself am impressed with how it looks. Being around a heated coil has got to do a bit of charring, no way around it but it's not burnt through and it's only on the one side. I don't know how bad or good for me this is in terms of vaping. I don't know how it's supposed to look or not look. I see nothing that I would consider melted and nothing that I am unhappy with. A bit burnt from being in direct contact with the heating element but that is to be expected.


I wish I could get a better clearer picture of it but I don't have a high tech camera.

 

[Scotay87]

Ok guys... this discussion got me curious and concerned. So I decided to sacrifice a perfectly good working carto in the name of science. This carto has been in a tank for 3 weeks now. It is a boge xxl 3ohm single coil carto. I've vaped it every day at around 5v. It has had the exact same juice ran through it.. my own diy caramel capp.. I've refilled the tank dozens of times..at least once every day. This carto was in use a week before my Mountain camping trip and the whole week I was camping and the last week I've been home. It's been used well. After 3 weeks I decided it was time to retire it anyway. I just took it apart and took pictures. I can't prove the pictures are mine other than they have my name on them and they have my SGT Army Tank in the background.. not every one has one of these. Anyway..

I used tweezers to pull it out of the tank.. this is what it looked like.
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I'm impressed.. it's all still nice and white. I did not rinse anything out.
The next picture is everything all laid out.. the filler is nice and white and not burnt at all. The coil is not gunked up at all. The small white piece of cloth (or whatever it is) was what was wrapped directly around the coil/atty. The inside of the carto is now empty.
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Good or bad, right or wrong, school bus or car. This is what mine looks like after 3 weeks vaping at 8.3333 watts. I myself am impressed with how it looks. Being around a heated coil has got to do a bit of charring, no way around it but it's not burnt through and it's only on the one side. I don't know how bad or good for me this is in terms of vaping. I don't know how it's supposed to look or not look. I see nothing that I would consider melted and nothing that I am unhappy with. A bit burnt from being in direct contact with the heating element but nothing scary. I will not be afraid to use this kind of carto in the future at the watts I am vaping.

For the win Boge single coil cartos on VV....

Crisspy's pics look like what I would expect from a DC or single coil carto that was not well primed before usage in a tank or other wise...