Joytech fans , not surprising at all actually .

[herb]

joyetech is terrible with that stuff. Their stance from what I have seen is, their devices are to be used ONLY with their atomizers/tanks and any other use will void warranty. I could be wrong but that is the impression I got. When i had all sorts of issues with the eVic VTC mini using TC, they mentioned that, even though I was using their EGO ONE tank that came with it.

That is 100% correct , it's no wonder Joytech is like that , thats also Eleaf's exact stance on it .

 

[52anddone]

The real problem is NO industry "Standard" for either 510 pin length on Atomizers, or 510 pin depth on tube/box devices. Until there is a "Standard" for the industry to follow then this will happen. Unless I'm wrong, I have seen no "Standard" length/depth listed anywhere, if there is then someone please enlighten me. It seems that one company will set a "Standard" for one device/atomizer when THEY manufacture it, then a different company will set their own "Standard" for what ever device/atomizer that THEY are making. It's a Free for All kind of situation. Until "Standards" are developed and enforced throughout the vaping industry then the best that we can hope for is "Does it work ?". Sad !!

Edit: This is why we see adjustable pins on Atomizers, but then Kanger made "set length" pins on the subtank/sub box kit because they set their own "Standard", just be careful if you use something different with either one of those, it might not work right.

 

[52anddone]

Then the Cloner's come along and just copy what's already there, the Good parts AND the Bad parts, now we have even more problems. Of course you all realize, when "Standards" are set, the prices will go UP, because a "Standards Board" will have to be Organized and voted on to over-see the industry and enforce the "Standards" that have been set. $$$$

 

[Bad Ninja]

Then the Cloner's come along and just copy what's already there, the Good parts AND the Bad parts, now we have even more problems. Of course you all realize, when "Standards" are set, the prices will go UP, because a "Standards Board" will have to be Organized and voted on to over-see the industry and enforce the "Standards" that have been set. $$$$

I have about 90 different mods that will accept any atomizer made with a 510 threaded connection with no damage.
I think the standard has already been set.
I also think Joyetech knows it.

 

[Tommy-Chi]

Correct me if I'm wrong but to fix this issue, couldn't you use a heat sink adapter? I saw that response in the Reddit document too...but, I'm looking for some help here, b/c I'd buy a couple but not if this is not going to work.

 

[Tol]

The Marketing Department is still doing tech support I see, that always inspires confidence.

 

[rurwin]

There's a business oportunity there. Buy a few "repair washers" from the DIY shop for £0.20 each. Drill them out, thread them for 510 and sell them for £0.99 + P&P. That way it's a fit and forget fix. You just buy one for each atty.

 

[Bad Ninja]

There's a business oportunity there. Buy a few "repair washers" from the DIY shop for £0.20 each. Drill them out, thread them for 510 and sell them for £0.99 + P&P. That way it's a fit and forget fix. You just buy one for each atty.

And are you sure that will be eligible for the warranty?
Can you get that in writing from joyetech?

A $200 mod shouldn't need a trip to the DIY store to validate the warranty.

 

[edyle]

The real problem is NO industry "Standard" for either 510 pin length on Atomizers, or 510 pin depth on tube/box devices. Until there is a "Standard" for the industry to follow then this will happen. Unless I'm wrong, I have seen no "Standard" length/depth listed anywhere, if there is then someone please enlighten me. It seems that one company will set a "Standard" for one device/atomizer when THEY manufacture it, then a different company will set their own "Standard" for what ever device/atomizer that THEY are making. It's a Free for All kind of situation. Until "Standards" are developed and enforced throughout the vaping industry then the best that we can hope for is "Does it work ?". Sad !!

Edit: This is why we see adjustable pins on Atomizers, but then Kanger made "set length" pins on the subtank/sub box kit because they set their own "Standard", just be careful if you use something different with either one of those, it might not work right.

Actually the problem is the 510 thread interface is a cigalike sized interface.

The issue is solved cleanly by the typical mech mod top caps which have adjustable centerpins; you attach the topcap to the tank or rda, and screw in the centerpins to match the tank/rda, and you thread that assembly onto your mod at the 20+mm level.

 

[rurwin]

And are you sure that will be eligible for the warranty?

What's against their Ts&Cs? All you are doing is screwing something onto the tank.

A $200 mod shouldn't need a trip to the DIY store to validate the warranty.

I don't believe I said it did. I don't know precisely what the proposed fix to the 510 is, replacing a plastic part with metal? Longer spring-loaded pin? Either of those would be better a product and, for $200, one has a right to expect good quality parts and not cost-cutting. Neither should you have to cast about for third party products to fix it.

But until the manufacturer fixes it or until you throw the sub-standard product away, maybe a quick cheap fix will keep your $200 mod safe from that over-hasty reassembly that you instantly regret.

For 50p more I'll give it a coat of paint.

There's a story in Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintanance where the author relates telling a friend that beer can metal makes an excellent shim for wobbly handlebars. It's a thin, soft metal, perfect for the task. His friend is horrified that someone is proposing to bodge his wonderful new bike with beer-can scap. Similarly here, a washer is already the right size and shape and that is the hard part about creating it; all that remains is making it screw onto the tank and not fall off every time you refill it, which is easy to do with hand-tools.

 

[Brandon David]

What's against their Ts&Cs? All you are doing is screwing something onto the tank.

I don't believe I said it did. I don't know precisely what the proposed fix to the 510 is, replacing a plastic part with metal? Longer spring-loaded pin? Either of those would be better a product and, for $200, one has a right to expect good quality parts and not cost-cutting. Neither should you have to cast about for third party products to fix it.

But until the manufacturer fixes it or until you throw the sub-standard product away, maybe a quick cheap fix will keep your $200 mod safe from that over-hasty reassembly that you instantly regret.

For 50p more I'll give it a coat of paint.

There's a story in Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintanance where the author relates telling a friend that beer can metal makes an excellent shim for wobbly handlebars. It's a thin, soft metal, perfect for the task. His friend is horrified that someone is proposing to bodge his wonderful new bike with beer-can scap. Similarly here, a washer is already the right size and shape and that is the hard part about creating it; all that remains is making it screw onto the tank and not fall off every time you refill it, which is easy to do with hand-tools.

Sorry to be off topic, but that is a wonderful book.

 

[Bad Ninja]

What's against their Ts&Cs? All you are doing is screwing something onto the tank.

I don't believe I said it did. I don't know precisely what the proposed fix to the 510 is, replacing a plastic part with metal? Longer spring-loaded pin? Either of those would be better a product and, for $200, one has a right to expect good quality parts and not cost-cutting. Neither should you have to cast about for third party products to fix it.

But until the manufacturer fixes it or until you throw the sub-standard product away, maybe a quick cheap fix will keep your $200 mod safe from that over-hasty reassembly that you instantly regret.

For 50p more I'll give it a coat of paint.

There's a story in Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintanance where the author relates telling a friend that beer can metal makes an excellent shim for wobbly handlebars. It's a thin, soft metal, perfect for the task. His friend is horrified that someone is proposing to bodge his wonderful new bike with beer-can scap. Similarly here, a washer is already the right size and shape and that is the hard part about creating it; all that remains is making it screw onto the tank and not fall off every time you refill it, which is easy to do with hand-tools.

The point of this thread is the warranty.
Apparently using any atomizer that isn't made by joyetech kills the warranty on the 510 threads.
Which is ridiculous.
Joyetech is well aware of industry practices and standards as they have been around since the beginning.
It's intentional.

IMHO it's another lame attempt to force feed customers proprietary equipment.

 

[Tol]

IMHO it's another lame attempt to force feed customers proprietary equipment.

That's pretty much it.

If you want a good laugh, read the "Customer Service" section of the "about us" page on JoyeTech's site

 

[Rangertrix]

I have the TFV4 Mini and the 510 barely protrudes. I also have the VTC Mini and the Cuboid. I used the support forum on the joyetech website and was immediately contacted by a Joyetech rep. They asked me to give my serial and security scratch off codes, and then immediately sent me a replacement.
I have used many Joyetech products and that was the time I needed warranty support, and had no issues.
I don't own a full size TFV4 to compare, so I don't know how much of a difference there is with the TFV4 Mini.
That being said, I have a selection of nylon washers, rubber washers, and even some I made from thick index cards, lol. I don't use them to make my attys sit flush, I use them to prevent "510 rash" on the finish of my mods.
I'm sorry if other's are experiencing issues, with the mod/atty combo. I am extremely ..../OCD, so I truly feel for you.

 

[pappasmurfsharem]

Need a spacer and a beer? Use the red rubber washer from a bottle of Grolsch beer

Can also be used as makeshift straplocks for a guitar [emoji13]

Sent from my LG-H811 using Tapatalk

 

[Mr.Mann]

There's a business oportunity there. Buy a few "repair washers" from the DIY shop for £0.20 each. Drill them out, thread them for 510 and sell them for £0.99 + P&P. That way it's a fit and forget fix. You just buy one for each atty.

OCD Atty Thingyz

Is this vape game an industry or what?! LOL. Think it and there it is.

 

[Tufur]

this isn't an issue specifically with that mod and particular other tanks/toppers;
it's a general issue with the 510 interface;

it is the reason some mods come with a spring loaded centerpin;
and if a mod comes with a spring loaded centerpin but doesn't go down enough then it's a design flaw

The joytech 510 is the best 510 socket I have used so far. It is one of the few 510 connectors that is both spring loaded, gold plated, and sealed against juice seepage into the interior of the mod. A fat daddy socket can't claim that. I also doubt any manufacturer is going to warranty against an uncoordinated Reddit poster screwing in an atomizer. Those people should buy a Zen setup. Reddit is so funny.

 

[Racehorse]

if they were stateside they would be held responsible.

ROTFL.

No offense.

Let me show you 500+ appliances (not just vape gear) made by companies "stateside" that don't work right, are recalled, are shoddily made, etc. etc.

Surely you are kidding.

Out of the hundreds of bits n' pieces of vape gear I've bought and owned in 3+ years, I can honestly say that Joyetech is actually about 80% BETTER than most of the "junk" I've unfortunately owned.

 

[stylemessiah]

Of course im not surprised, im already not a fan of Joytech...if you hadnt heard....

They once told me, to correct a fault (that they ignored for weeks from dozens of users) with 2 x VTC Mini's, to buy an Ego One tank...would solve everything.....

I dont know why people are shocked by anything Joyetech does, theyre the worst...

Send their tech department an email, and you'll get a reply from their marketing department...happens all the time

Dodgy as ....

p.s. My "evil" Smok TFV4 Mini works on both my SX Mini M & TreeBox and hasnt 510 raped either of them

 

[chefjoosie]

These issues are inevitable in an exploding new industry such as vapeing. If you're going to survive in an industry such as this, you need to push out new products as quickly as possible, and at as low a price point as you can.

Unfortunately, this means that the first adopters become the beta testers, since if you wait to release your product until it is fully tested, it will already be obsolete. It also means you need to cut costs wherever you can. That means saving a few cents on a cheaper 510, or having questionable warranty practices.

You really have 3 choices. You can buy the rx200 for 40 bucks knowing there is a chance you'll be tossing it before long. Spend 200 bucks on a device with better parts/warranty. Or wait till something has been out for a good few months to a year before you buy it, so you'll know what the issues with it are, and they have fixed any issues that they're going to fix.

Think of the subtank mini, or the DNA40. Absolute disappointments on day one, but 6 months down the line were great purchases.