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Lolli

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It just sucks cuz I hate snus lol I don't even vape for the nicotine, I vape because when I get my hands on a device that somehow, in some magical way, it tastes clean and pure, I consider it one of the few magical things we have in this world... well, at least in my world.

The truth is, even beyond my twitch (yes, I dropped my hexagon wench tool about 10 times before I ever got it in the screws of one of the RDA's lol), I have certain physical disabillities and characteristics that really alienate me from the social world at large. To me, the most magical thing in the world is traveling - I love going to mueseums, historical sites, old train stations, anything that evokes that true feeling that there's a lot of wonder in the world. Yet, my biggest dream has always been to have a partner to travel with, and to be able to travel without a lot of medical hassles that tend to keep me inside my home.

vaping, when I'm tasting those pure flavors, like I did in the Cisco, it's like the one magical thing I can do inside my home. All sorts of juices, no matter what kind they are, if I taste em on a clean device, each of them triggers some memory so vividly that it's like I'm on a vacation. The worst of tobacco juices make me remember sucking on my grandma's elbow skin. It's that bizarre. And it's simply wonderful. Nicotine can be a plus, and the act of smoking something helps me quit cigarettes itself, but the big picture even beyond quitting cigarettes is that vaping would be something I'd want to do for the rest of my life - it really is one of the most important hobbies to me right now.

Even concerning all my artsy fartsy hobbies, like writing and painting, I do those things better when I vape. When I vape, I'm happier, I feel at peace, I feel all intelligent and sophisticated, from all corners, when it works, it's a joy. It is indeed a hobby that so far has tended to destroy me financially and mentally, but it's a hobby from the very first time I took a puff on a disposable so many years ago, something just clicked in my brain and I knew it was for me. I really don't want to give up on it. I've given up a lot of things in life because of curses that are no less extreme than this vaping curse, but vaping is like, the last of the last. If I can't vape, the last part of any real spark in my soul would die. I'm not in a terribly great place in life and all I ever wanted to do was sit down with a nice little vape and watch a movie.

Honestly, vaping just is supposed to taste clean, it's supposed to taste full, it's supposed to taste clear. I've gotten the results before, I know the rainbow I'm chasing. I believe someone out there is getting a vape that they can describe in the same way. And ya know, I figure it'll take me a couple days if not a week to get an RDA set up perfectly, trying out experiments for the heck of it, trying out traditional steps, mixing and matching and seeing with my own eyes if I have anything to bring to the table or if I'll have to follow the steps a lot more precisely. I really do want to do this, and I really hope it works.

It'll just take some time. It'll take some mistakes and it'll take some discovery.

GN, I am impressed and thankful that you explained a bit about yourself and your situation. It really gives all of us some more insight into your experience and what you are going through. Thanks for posting this
I have faith you will find this peace of mind, and just try and enjoy this whole process... you're on the right road :)
 

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Because GN has stressed about cotton before, and will probably stress about silica, due to comments posted earlier, I'll post this. There used to be (and probably still are) people in the forums that were concerned about developing silicosis from vaping off of silica wicks. That was soundly debunked in this thread (but people are still arguing it out, well worth the read).
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/health-safety-e-smoking/377764-dangers-silica-wicks.html
but we still have threads like this one with over 4,000 posts. http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/modding-forum/284030-wick-materials-safe-vs-dangerous.html and this is just about the dangers of wicks, truth and untruths alike.
 

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Because GN has stressed about cotton before, and will probably stress about silica, due to comments posted earlier, I'll post this. There used to be (and probably still are) people in the forums that were concerned about developing silicosis from vaping off of silica wicks. That was soundly debunked in this thread (but people are still arguing it out, well worth the read).
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/health-safety-e-smoking/377764-dangers-silica-wicks.html

and your assuming he hasn't posted there as well? lol
 

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Stick with it, GN....you're almost there! Curious, after the snow globe visual, you got about 3 different suggestions about cleaning these things before you use them. Your next post said you filled another one with Miracle Juice from VCV. You didn't mention cleaning it. Did you wash that one out? Did you wash the rba's you got before using them? Its really an important step.
Micro coils....I know you like Rip Tripper. Have you watched his videos on building a micro coil? Did you do EXACTLY what he does? If so, tweezers should be plenty big to squeeze them tight from end to end. We're only talking about less than 1/4 inch, here. Once you perfect the standard methods and get consistently good results, then try to improve on it. But start with what's already known to work.
 

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GoodNews!, you do understand that there's a little bit of break-in period for new heads/wick wire, correct? Taking 3 or 4 drags off a new coil with mixed results doesn't mean it's a bad device. Give it some time for the wick to start wicking better and for the coils to oxidize a bit. You might have to fight through a little bland or off flavors before the vape gets better.
 

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As stated above, thank you for sharing, Good News. That helps us understand things better. As I am in a very similar situation with my back and other demons, I can empathize, sympathize and understand where you are coming from!

As for the silica taste, I have to agree with Thrasher at this point, I also think you are letting the wick get too dry. This is yet another reason I don't like clearomizers and suggest carto tanks. With a carto tank you can suck on it about all you want without it drying out.
The other options for a clean taste would be stainless steel mesh, but man it's a PITA to do! Then there is ceramic wick, which I haven't had a chance to use myself, but it's terribly expensive, like $8 a foot expensive!
 

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silica melts at approx 1300-1400 Celsius

the wire melts in approx the same range, if the silica was actually melting down and burning then the whole coil assembly would be to the point of failure and the atty would be too hot to even put to your mouth.

Silica should manage nearly 2000 degrees Celsius (not an expert, I'm reading a comparative list of melting points), so more than nichrome and kanthal. Brass (66% copper, 34% zink) can handle slightly less than 1000 degrees. So, if the temperatures would get high enough to degrade the silica the coil would've turned to slag, and if there are any brass parts in the atomizer (and in all but high end RBAs there usually is) they would've melted long before.

There is simply no way a normal li-ion battery can heat an atomizer to such extreme temperatures. Just as a comparison, floating lava is at temperatures between 700 and 1200 degrees. The temperature of the photosphere of the sun is about 6000 degrees. I wouldn't put anything near my mouth (or any other part of my body) that reaches 1/3 of the temperature of the surface of the sun :)

The point with this too long post is that silica will not degrade and get into one's mouth due to the temperature of the atomizer.



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So no updates since this morning huh. I'm not sure if I should be worried or relieved. Hopefully he's somehow happily vaping away on a freshly built coil... Yep we'll go with that, and not the other cataclysmic possibilities.
Where is he from? It's getting foggy in Ga and there's this faint smell of blueberries outside. I'm thinking he nailed a quad diamond coil with a tin man chimney, nano tri navy nest using egyptian silk and twisted .28, .30, .32 ga with some .08 ribbon thrown in for good measure. It's working so good, it's messing with the ozone. That's what I think anyway.
 

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Where is he from? It's getting foggy in Ga and there's this faint smell of blueberries outside. I'm thinking he nailed a quad diamond coil with a tin man chimney, nano tri navy nest using egyptian silk and twisted .28, .30, .32 ga with some .08 ribbon thrown in for good measure. It's working so good, it's messing with the ozone. That's what I think anyway.

I don't even know what most of that is, but I didn't see explosion, fire, or destruction listed in there, so yeah, what you said! ;)
 

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I don't even know what most of that is, but I didn't see explosion, fire, or destruction listed in there, so yeah, what you said! ;)
I don't know what most of that is either...but I'm pretty sure they don't go together. I like all the evolution regarding coils... but dang! Give me a simple 1.2 ohm micro coil and I'm happy as a fat kid on a field trip to the Krispy Kreme!
 

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Okay guys, finally, for the first or second time in the history of my vaping experience, some Good News!:

I went down to the recently opened vendor in my town, who I should have just waited on to begin with. Ends up, the guy in there, is building 8-coil RDA's. Says it all.

I tell him everything I've been through, and he agrees with me! Right away, he suggests carto tanks, but I tell him "I can't buy anything I can't try." and what do you know, he pulls out every device under the sun and lets me vape!

The experience I get from the Cartotank (Smoktech XL's, if I'm not mistaken) is clean, for sure, but not too flavorfull. Then again, it's a big theory of mine (and I hope to impact the vaping world with this) that there may be something to the idea of building like a 3.0ohm microcoil like Cisco does, because IMO, it is another universe in flavor entirely.

(And of coarse, strangest thing, they had Kanger Evod's set up for sampling, and each one of them out of 30 tasted pretty darn clean - there where "hints" of silica or metallic tastes, but overall, they weren't too bad.)

So the shop guy fills up my carto for me, and wa-laa, clean vape. Not too much of a flavorful vape, even the Kanger PTII has given me more flavor, but these cartos are clean regardless. Well, pretty clean, I can tell this is a polyfil device. There just will be that certain texture to the vape from device to device.

I didn't particularly like the juice we used to fill it up though, so I buy another one, and we fill it up with chocolate juice, which I always have issues with. I fill it up myself and I come across a few mistakes, but we get there. Mystery is, the same model and same clearo model produced like half the vapor and flavor as the first, and much less than the same chocolate juice on the sample Kanger Evod.

Shop was about to close, so the guy said that if the carto produced any more troubles, that he'd give me a free bottle of juice!

As of right now, I'm testing these things out, and this shop is like RDA city (who in the heck builds 8-coil rigs!?!?) and I'm going back there when I have a bit more education to digest - one one end, I'm thinking about buying a battery like the MVP for it's short-protection firing, but I'm also considering a battery mod just in case I want to do a little sub-ohming.

So general result? Carto-tanks, I'm not impressed really at all with the flavor production from these Smoktechs, they're clean but they give off a slight medicinal taste that I know my Cisco atty just wouldn't give. The flavor is very light, very much a cotton-candy strength vape. Yet they're clean, and if I combine the right juice with them, they very well could be an on-the-go vape.

But I'm way more interested in doing experiments with high-ohm microcoils, or something. I want to replicate whatever Cisco is doing, because what I particularly got on that 3.5ohm atty at 4.1V's, it was unlike anything I've ever really gotten out of anything else. I once got that same experience with one rare CE4 and a couple CE4's at another vendor. Never again. It was a magic to the flavor, an entirely different universe, and if I can introduce vaper's to that (if they're not already getting it), it'd be something.

That's all for today really. Fluxomizers still are dusty-as-F and nah, I didn't clean the Flux with the VCV juice, that juice just IMO doesn't vaporize very easily and for that, doesn't spread dust all through the vapor as easy.

(A note about the silica, silica is DUSTY. It doesn't not have to be heated to be dusty. Silica particles themselves probably can't be melted, but heck if I believe they can't travel through vapor - the science already shows it does. Tons of ways I believe this can be reduced - cleaning, torching, perfect coils, wet coils, you name it. But in disposable heads and devices made for newbies, my opinion is that a lot of these devices just don't wick worth crap, and have bad coils, and give an unhealthy texture and taste to the vape because of that.)

Evods did it. But like, way less severe than the Fluxomizers and crap like that. With the Evods, it was the faintest notes, but they were there, without a doubt. Some metallic mess too. Just how it is I guess.

In fact, the other vendor in town, the one that I had to file a complaint with the BBB on for educating me and telling me about the Kanger Evod, and me saying "I want to buy that", but instead accidentally put a Smoktech Aro in the bag (horrible tank, horrible heads) and refused an exchange, their sample CE4's were about 4x cleaner and fuller in taste than the Evods. I have no clue what magic spell that particular shop put on their CE4 samplers, but they were, well, great.

Bonus story:

Dude let me try his 0.3ohm (yes) RDa and let me tell you guys, the flavor was clean as absolute pie. There was absolutely no "texture" to the vape, I didn't taste or feel silica, polyfil, cotton, none of that (and I do believe he was using silica). Gives me hope. First thing I want to accomplish is that perfectly clean vape. Second thing to accomplish is flavor, because his RDA in particular wasn't really any more flavorful than the cartotanks.
 
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Well, I've learned a lot reading all this. One thing I can add after my brief experience with vaping thus far is that everything tastes better since I put the cigarettes down. Completely down. Just my 2 cents.
Yup, me too. I didn't even start to love vaping til I threw out all the cigs.
 

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You walk in, the guy is building an 8 coil atty, and instead of asking him to show you how to wrap coils and test oHms properly (like I suggested you do earlier), you spend your time in there messing around with cartotanks and trying flavors?
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Arrrgh!

At least he's not playing with the stupid clearomizers anymore!!

For the record, my local vape shop will build you any coil you've got the balls to vape!
 

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Oh, Good news, if you are really after that elusive Cisco taste/clean vape that can go all day, you need to look into a REO or a VMod. These are bottom feeders, that use a Cisco atty. There was a guy on here that was making a cheap clone for around $20, anybody know who I'm talking about?
Next will be an RDA, which you are learning.
Next is a Genesis, which I don't think you have the patience for, they are a serious PITA to get right and they don't travel well!
Then it's the Kayfun RBA style.
Catro tanks, then clearomizers.
 
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