He won't be able to do 8 wraps on an EGO style battery, that will be too low ohms for that battery.
I did 13 wraps of 28ga tonigh (to see if I could make it work) and could still use a regular pair of tweezers on it.
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He won't be able to do 8 wraps on an EGO style battery, that will be too low ohms for that battery.
I did 13 wraps of 28ga tonigh (to see if I could make it work) and could still use a regular pair of tweezers on it.
That's what I thought too (because the ones I originally put in were off-brand, weak, almost-dead remote batteries lol) but then I found a pack of brand new Duracells and sadly, same exact readings.
I almost got my ohm checker from Kidney (wish I did) but Gotvapes won out cuz it was like $5 cheaper. Ugh.
No doubt about it, I'm marching right down to the local vendor tomorrow and buying some type of decent battery that can check ohms. Won't leave the store until everything shows to be working fine.
I'm also going to splurge on a bit better RDA, as I really did think that I could buy a couple of these cheapo ones, and set it up good enough to at least "see" what direction I should go in, but they're so defective it's unreal.
The one from Kidney has a unnaturally twisted post that makes it impossible to coil without the legs getting scrunched up, and the one from GV had trash and even a tiny piece of kanthal stuck down in the sunken grommet area of the inner post, and it seems sunken to the point it's unnatural.
Long story short though, so far, GV replied with great customer service, they're letting me send in the stuff for them to check out (the checker, the RDA, and the Flux), really polite, concerned replies, super-fast shipping (only 48 or so hours in total, super fast), and if they end up working this out for me, then hey, I'd still recommend them.
If it means anything, for the one clean-ish tasting puff I got on the Flux with the Blueberry juice, I can tell that this juice wouldn't be bad on a good device. This juice sort of signaled that their liquids have a slight "disposable e-cig" kick to the flavor, that bit of bitter, sour nuance that comes with cheaper juices (apart from nicotine and apart from silica bites). If I could get a standard like that first puff (which was nothing to die for, by any means), I'd have been happy with the Flux's - that first puff was generally like what I get from juice bar CE4's, a solid, bland, but true flavor. But gahhhh as always, something kills the atty after that!!
I almost got my ohm checker from Kidney (wish I did) but Gotvapes won out cuz it was like $5 cheaper. Ugh.
No doubt about it, I'm marching right down to the local vendor tomorrow and buying some type of decent battery that can check ohms. Won't leave the store until everything shows to be working fine.
I'm also going to splurge on a bit better RDA, as I really did think that I could buy a couple of these cheapo ones, and set it up good enough to at least "see" what direction I should go in, but they're so defective it's unreal.
The one from Kidney has a unnaturally twisted post that makes it impossible to coil without the legs getting scrunched up, and the one from GV had trash and even a tiny piece of kanthal stuck down in the sunken grommet area of the inner post, and it seems sunken to the point it's unnatural.
Long story short though, so far, GV replied with great customer service, they're letting me send in the stuff for them to check out (the checker, the RDA, and the Flux), really polite, concerned replies, super-fast shipping (only 48 or so hours in total, super fast), and if they end up working this out for me, then hey, I'd still recommend them.
If it means anything, for the one clean-ish tasting puff I got on the Flux with the Blueberry juice, I can tell that this juice wouldn't be bad on a good device. This juice sort of signaled that their liquids have a slight "disposable e-cig" kick to the flavor, that bit of bitter, sour nuance that comes with cheaper juices (apart from nicotine and apart from silica bites). If I could get a standard like that first puff (which was nothing to die for, by any means), I'd have been happy with the Flux's - that first puff was generally like what I get from juice bar CE4's, a solid, bland, but true flavor. But gahhhh as always, something kills the atty after that!!
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Whether or not 8 wraps works on his ego depends on the gauge of wire he is using, he said a few times that he was ordering 3 gauges,but I don't remember what they were...and he didn't say which one he used.
ETA. And what he is wrapping around
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Have you tried cleaning the contacts of the ohm checker? A Q-tip or the twisted corner of a paper towel wet with alcohol would work fine.
He already said he did.
GoodNews, I would suggest maybe investing in a digital multimeter from Lowe's or another hardware store. Can't remember your budget, but it's definitely something worth saving up for.
GoodNews, I would suggest maybe investing in a digital multimeter from Lowe's or another hardware store. Can't remember your budget, but it's definitely something worth saving up for.
Good point, I've got 28ga on the brain today for some reason! DUH!
A 5-6 wrap with 32ga should be good for him.
I haven't really tested out anything much yet in terms of coils but here is one thing I did:
Wrapped about 8, 9 or so wraps with the 32g (surprisingly, GV's 32g and Kindey Puncher's 32g are TOTALLY different gauges, some mistake was made there on the labeling, but I used the one that seemed like real 32g) and though my tweezers were too tight to pinch it, I used dull thick kitchen scissors to pinch the coil after firing a few times, and though it wasn't a solid microcoil because of the bad tools involved to manipulate it, I did get a nice even glow, no hot legs, no wonky looking spots.
I figured a few fires as a test wouldn't hurt anything no matter what ohms it was, and it took forever to heat up so I figure the ohms must have been pretty high. No hot battery or anything. I know it sounds foolish, but I was also using quite a thick needle too (I think it's the 16g I used), so I figured the ohms wouldn't be so subohm that it'd be unreal. The coil ohm read out to be like 2.4 on the tester, so I'm betting it may have truly been like 1.2 or something, but not sure - it could have really been 2.4, dunno.
And admittingly, as bad as I know it may sound, I put a little cotton in the coil, drenched it a good one, and took one puff. The result was 2nd placed next to the iClear experience I had - extremely harsh cotton cough fit upchuck seizure mode. The taste itself was better than the bizarre result I got off that one iClear 30 head, I tasted some of the juice, but just, whew, something wasn't right. Probably not the RDA's fault though - I had absolutely no way to gauge what I was doing, none of the right tools to build, and it was probably by far not the safest experiment in the world.
I also tried the stock coil on the other RDA, and it tasted pretty much just like the Flux. I know I like silica so far better than cotton because when it does get dry and hot, I can tolerate that taste and harshness so much more so than cotton, but it simply tasted exactly like that singed socky taste, stronger than the Flux.
I ain't giving up though, not by far. I have confidence that if I finally get the right tools, build the perfect coil, make sure the batteries aren't being haywire, and all that good stuff, I am truly hoping that I can get a result on an RDA that's as clean as the Cisco was. It doesn't even have to be complex or super pleasureable for now, it just has to be clean. I can taste that silica flavor like it is asbolutely something unreal and if it's any proof, I pretty much just proved that a sad coil equals that taste. The stock coil and my own coil were pretty much plain horribly built, and yet they both didn't give the #1 worst tastes I've gotten in this field.
Tasted just like anything by Kanger. Like, identical. And it's sad because these coils looked like mutant freak coils compared to what Kanger usually builds. Nothing about them even really looked vapable to my eyes. I'm surprised they fired. Yet, whadyaknow, not really anything worse tasting than what I've gotten on device heads. That finding indeed has me inspired on how to "solve" this issue and study for myself what are big factors that may cause this.
Can't wait til tomorrow!
Wrapped about 8, 9 or so wraps with the 32g (surprisingly, GV's 32g and Kindey Puncher's 32g are TOTALLY different gauges, some mistake was made there on the labeling, but I used the one that seemed like real 32g) and though my tweezers were too tight to pinch it, I used dull thick kitchen scissors to pinch the coil after firing a few times, and though it wasn't a solid microcoil because of the bad tools involved to manipulate it, I did get a nice even glow, no hot legs, no wonky looking spots.
I figured a few fires as a test wouldn't hurt anything no matter what ohms it was, and it took forever to heat up so I figure the ohms must have been pretty high. No hot battery or anything. I know it sounds foolish, but I was also using quite a thick needle too (I think it's the 16g I used), so I figured the ohms wouldn't be so subohm that it'd be unreal. The coil ohm read out to be like 2.4 on the tester, so I'm betting it may have truly been like 1.2 or something, but not sure - it could have really been 2.4, dunno.
And admittingly, as bad as I know it may sound, I put a little cotton in the coil, drenched it a good one, and took one puff. The result was 2nd placed next to the iClear experience I had - extremely harsh cotton cough fit upchuck seizure mode. The taste itself was better than the bizarre result I got off that one iClear 30 head, I tasted some of the juice, but just, whew, something wasn't right. Probably not the RDA's fault though - I had absolutely no way to gauge what I was doing, none of the right tools to build, and it was probably by far not the safest experiment in the world.
I also tried the stock coil on the other RDA, and it tasted pretty much just like the Flux. I know I like silica so far better than cotton because when it does get dry and hot, I can tolerate that taste and harshness so much more so than cotton, but it simply tasted exactly like that singed socky taste, stronger than the Flux.
I ain't giving up though, not by far. I have confidence that if I finally get the right tools, build the perfect coil, make sure the batteries aren't being haywire, and all that good stuff, I am truly hoping that I can get a result on an RDA that's as clean as the Cisco was. It doesn't even have to be complex or super pleasureable for now, it just has to be clean. I can taste that silica flavor like it is asbolutely something unreal and if it's any proof, I pretty much just proved that a sad coil equals that taste. The stock coil and my own coil were pretty much plain horribly built, and yet they both didn't give the #1 worst tastes I've gotten in this field.
Tasted just like anything by Kanger. Like, identical. And it's sad because these coils looked like mutant freak coils compared to what Kanger usually builds. Nothing about them even really looked vapable to my eyes. I'm surprised they fired. Yet, whadyaknow, not really anything worse tasting than what I've gotten on device heads. That finding indeed has me inspired on how to "solve" this issue and study for myself what are big factors that may cause this.
Can't wait til tomorrow!
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That sounds about right for 32g. Try 6or 7 wraps to get around 1.8, depending on how long the legs are. Pictures help.
What did you wrap the coil on? 8 or 9 wraps wouldn't be 1.2 with 32 guage ( with 30 yes, depending on what size you wrapped the micro coil). Wen you wrap a microcoil on a 16 ga needle or 1/16 drill bit to have to wrap the coils right next to each other, if you don't it won't matter how much you torch and squeeze it they won't be nice and tight (there will just be too much wire). I have never seen tweezers too small to squeeze 8 wraps, like sawlight said above, he had 13 wraps of 28 ga - which is much thicker- and they worked for him. Wen the wraps are nice and tight together, the coil is not very long.
How long did you wait after dripping before you fired, and how thick was the cotton wick, and what type of cotton? You want very little resistance when you slide the wick thru. It'll swell once you drip the juice in.
The one thing I'll say is wow - the Fluxomizer I tried, for a little 1ml Clearo, it produces a TON of vapor. It's surprising! It's seriously like a little baby Aspire! Vapor wise, the thing blows any normal CE4 out of the water.
Sadly, it also tastes like an Aspire. If I let it sit like 30 minutes, the first puff is pretty good, but it just goes super south after that. The Aspire did the exact same thing, exactly the same way.
GV said that they run these at 3.8V's and I'm testing it on a 3.7V battery just to play it safe, so hey, maybe it is some truth to that my batteries are running hot.
Sadly, it also tastes like an Aspire. If I let it sit like 30 minutes, the first puff is pretty good, but it just goes super south after that. The Aspire did the exact same thing, exactly the same way.
GV said that they run these at 3.8V's and I'm testing it on a 3.7V battery just to play it safe, so hey, maybe it is some truth to that my batteries are running hot.
Oh, and about the coil, to be completely honest with you guys, that whole experiment was hours and hours ago, before I even went to work, I didn't even keep a real detailed memory about what I was doing - it could have been 10 or 11 wraps, I forgot. It was just a bit too big for the tweezers, not by much. I was using the thickest wire I had (dunno if that means it's the 28g or 32g, I have both, and the labels seem mixed up...).
I slid the tiniest thing of cotton I could into it, the cotton didn't even have shoulders once it swelled a little. I'd have liked the diameter of the coil to be bigger though, it just seems to make a lot of sense to me that more space for juice in the coil would allow it not to dry out so fast, and wouldn't compress down on the cotton as much even if I happened to be slightly heavy handed with the cotton. I didn't have any pliers to position the coil right smack up against the air hole either (and I probably want a better battery before I try and get it too close), so that probably didn't help.
Plus, with no ohm meter, who knows what ohm's I was vaping at, and the coil, though it glowed evenly from the inside out, it was a mess. Pinched parts, gaping parts, knurled legs - I actually built a really good coil on the needle, but the defects with the RDA made it impossible to attach, scrunching up the legs, and I didn't have pliers, so bye-bye to proper microcoil.
Idk, I'm just waiting until tomorrow to fool with it again, I have tomorrow off and don't have to worry about a thing, I can just sit around and RDA all day long!
I slid the tiniest thing of cotton I could into it, the cotton didn't even have shoulders once it swelled a little. I'd have liked the diameter of the coil to be bigger though, it just seems to make a lot of sense to me that more space for juice in the coil would allow it not to dry out so fast, and wouldn't compress down on the cotton as much even if I happened to be slightly heavy handed with the cotton. I didn't have any pliers to position the coil right smack up against the air hole either (and I probably want a better battery before I try and get it too close), so that probably didn't help.
Plus, with no ohm meter, who knows what ohm's I was vaping at, and the coil, though it glowed evenly from the inside out, it was a mess. Pinched parts, gaping parts, knurled legs - I actually built a really good coil on the needle, but the defects with the RDA made it impossible to attach, scrunching up the legs, and I didn't have pliers, so bye-bye to proper microcoil.
Idk, I'm just waiting until tomorrow to fool with it again, I have tomorrow off and don't have to worry about a thing, I can just sit around and RDA all day long!
I hope I don't regret this.
The larger the wire, the less resistance it has, meaning you need more length, or coil, the higher the resistance. The smaller the wire the more resistance, meaning you don't need as much length or as many coils to get the same resistance.
If you used the "largest wire you had" that means you used the 28ga wire. Now just earlier today I built a 10/11 wrap in one of my Kayfuns and a 13/14 wrap in the other. Both over a 5/32" drill bit, the 10/11 wrap is 1.2 ohms and the 13/14 wrap is right at 2 ohms. Meaning the coil you made earlier is very nearly sub-ohm and is really pushing the limits of that battery IMO.
Normally I use 32ga and do a 5/6 wrap over 3mm silica which most times comes out around 1.7-1.8 ohms.
Now, for the taste issues you are experiencing, I have an experiment for you to try. Build your coil, get it all fat dumb and happy to where you like it, glowing from the middle, no hot spots etc. THEN, before you even think about putting a wick in it, drop a couple of drops of juice right on the coil and vape it. Lets see if it's the wick that's the issue here or not.
The larger the wire, the less resistance it has, meaning you need more length, or coil, the higher the resistance. The smaller the wire the more resistance, meaning you don't need as much length or as many coils to get the same resistance.
If you used the "largest wire you had" that means you used the 28ga wire. Now just earlier today I built a 10/11 wrap in one of my Kayfuns and a 13/14 wrap in the other. Both over a 5/32" drill bit, the 10/11 wrap is 1.2 ohms and the 13/14 wrap is right at 2 ohms. Meaning the coil you made earlier is very nearly sub-ohm and is really pushing the limits of that battery IMO.
Normally I use 32ga and do a 5/6 wrap over 3mm silica which most times comes out around 1.7-1.8 ohms.
Now, for the taste issues you are experiencing, I have an experiment for you to try. Build your coil, get it all fat dumb and happy to where you like it, glowing from the middle, no hot spots etc. THEN, before you even think about putting a wick in it, drop a couple of drops of juice right on the coil and vape it. Lets see if it's the wick that's the issue here or not.
GN - Go outside, look up, and tell me if that big black cloud is headed to the north east of Baltimore. I might want to make a road trip... In the other direction... 
GoodNews, slow down. I'm not sure what the diameter of your coil is, but with10 wraps of "thicker" wire (I guess 28awg) as you said, you are too close to sub ohm territory for your first try at coiling.
Pictures of your setup would certainly help.
Pictures of your setup would certainly help.
Alright, so I tried the wickless experiment. The first hit, the flavor was very light but actually quite clean. There was a layer that did taste a little like soft cotton (could have been some cotton residue on the coil?), but it definately wasn't the harsher vape, and it tasted better than the Flux does. Second hit was the typical burnt metallic taste that the experiment probably naturally yields lol.
First time I've ever experienced the burnt metallic taste! That's a new one!
I mean, one thing is, that I've always entertained the idea that this "wicky" taste I always taste could indeed be something more related to the metal on the coil, or too hot of air, or something weird like that, but it is so much like softly ignited cotton, or say, the taste of filter material in a cigarette filter when the flame gets to close, that to me, it just naturally strikes me that it's coming from what is the closest chemical relative of cigarette filters, polyester, insulation, all that, that we have in vaping - silica.
Cotton, when it isn't performing right, doesn't taste as bad to me (though it's still very rank), but is tremendously harsher than the silica seems to be when drier. One tastes pretty rank, one is pretty darn harsh and tastes like I'm eating cotton. Have had luck with neither, not even when rewicking on the Protanks.
Anyway, again, I'm good on trying for any type of coil tonight - don't want to risk my battery. I'll be getting some more stuff from the vendor tomorrow, I'll be taking the experiment to new heights with tomorrow's sun!
P.S. When I say the coil was too big for the tweezers, I meant the length, not the diameter. Diameter was only 16g.
First time I've ever experienced the burnt metallic taste! That's a new one!
I mean, one thing is, that I've always entertained the idea that this "wicky" taste I always taste could indeed be something more related to the metal on the coil, or too hot of air, or something weird like that, but it is so much like softly ignited cotton, or say, the taste of filter material in a cigarette filter when the flame gets to close, that to me, it just naturally strikes me that it's coming from what is the closest chemical relative of cigarette filters, polyester, insulation, all that, that we have in vaping - silica.
Cotton, when it isn't performing right, doesn't taste as bad to me (though it's still very rank), but is tremendously harsher than the silica seems to be when drier. One tastes pretty rank, one is pretty darn harsh and tastes like I'm eating cotton. Have had luck with neither, not even when rewicking on the Protanks.
Anyway, again, I'm good on trying for any type of coil tonight - don't want to risk my battery. I'll be getting some more stuff from the vendor tomorrow, I'll be taking the experiment to new heights with tomorrow's sun!
P.S. When I say the coil was too big for the tweezers, I meant the length, not the diameter. Diameter was only 16g.
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When going wickless you can only get one hit off of it! There isn't anything there to hold the juice and it's vaporized instantly. Try it again, then add a couple more drops, and try it again.
The metallic taste was the coil burning.
The metallic taste was the coil burning.
Sure it can, and will, because there are vapers here who are always *there* to help other vapers, regardless of what happened yesterday or the day before, or last week.
Well, including the other types of tests I've done over this year, the wickless test also really stands behind what I find to be that silica, when wrapped in a coil and a certain heat applied, that it does seem to give off a distinct taste totally opposite from anything else. Cotton seems to do the same. So does a coil without a wick or liquid. So does polyfil.
Each seems to have a unique taste, and even though it doesn't really flow well with how you can torch silica and not get vapor or smoke billowing off from it, I still think there's something that causes the silica to have the ability to give off certain flavored particles with the way heat is applied to it in our coils.
The wickless test (and hey, the Cisco test) both seem to prove I'm really not crazy with all of this, and that this seems to be some real phenomenon for me. I feel as though that certain factors cause each situation to taste bad. A wickless coil will taste metallic with no liquid. Cotton obviously singes with no liquid. Silica seems (to me) taste horrible either when there's no liquid or something like a crosswrap.
For silica, what I try and stab a guess at is that A. the flavor can happen when it's dry, and B. that with cross wraps and hotspots and stuff, that it'd seem a possibility that that particular part of the coil is applying much more heat to that concentrated little spot on the silica, which may fray the silica even beyond the juice's ability to cool it down, causing those fray particles to travel, and for me to taste them. Believe it or not, when I taste the silica, the vapor is very dusty and I feel things in my mouth after I vape it, just like the cotton. Like tiny little microscopic hairs!
This theory also supports why I hear a lot of "physical cracking" when I fire the bad coils, it sounds like fiberglass being sparked, or something. It's too physical and solid of a sound to be liquid. I grew up in a southern kitchen where sausages were popping like fireworks, and this "physical" sound I hear is 10x more solid than any liquid could be.
Or could be some sort of electrical short on the coil causing that sound? Ugh. Vaping is just too complex.
All I know, is that I'm gonna master this one way or the other, I'm now in denial mode, which is a positive thing, tomorrow, I'm going out, I'm buying the most well protected battery I can (with ohm checking), I'm getting some needle nose pliers, something I can wrap on that's ever so slightly bigger than 16g, I'm getting some alcohol to clean with, and I also may pick up a small torch to test out what torching silica may do for me in terms of taste.
No hurry tonight!
I guess one question I can't resist, in a 16g coil, how many 1mm silica wicks are best for it? 16's too big for 1mm, and seemingly a little too big for 2 1mm strands. But it seems a little to tight for 3.
Each seems to have a unique taste, and even though it doesn't really flow well with how you can torch silica and not get vapor or smoke billowing off from it, I still think there's something that causes the silica to have the ability to give off certain flavored particles with the way heat is applied to it in our coils.
The wickless test (and hey, the Cisco test) both seem to prove I'm really not crazy with all of this, and that this seems to be some real phenomenon for me. I feel as though that certain factors cause each situation to taste bad. A wickless coil will taste metallic with no liquid. Cotton obviously singes with no liquid. Silica seems (to me) taste horrible either when there's no liquid or something like a crosswrap.
For silica, what I try and stab a guess at is that A. the flavor can happen when it's dry, and B. that with cross wraps and hotspots and stuff, that it'd seem a possibility that that particular part of the coil is applying much more heat to that concentrated little spot on the silica, which may fray the silica even beyond the juice's ability to cool it down, causing those fray particles to travel, and for me to taste them. Believe it or not, when I taste the silica, the vapor is very dusty and I feel things in my mouth after I vape it, just like the cotton. Like tiny little microscopic hairs!
This theory also supports why I hear a lot of "physical cracking" when I fire the bad coils, it sounds like fiberglass being sparked, or something. It's too physical and solid of a sound to be liquid. I grew up in a southern kitchen where sausages were popping like fireworks, and this "physical" sound I hear is 10x more solid than any liquid could be.
Or could be some sort of electrical short on the coil causing that sound? Ugh. Vaping is just too complex.
All I know, is that I'm gonna master this one way or the other, I'm now in denial mode, which is a positive thing, tomorrow, I'm going out, I'm buying the most well protected battery I can (with ohm checking), I'm getting some needle nose pliers, something I can wrap on that's ever so slightly bigger than 16g, I'm getting some alcohol to clean with, and I also may pick up a small torch to test out what torching silica may do for me in terms of taste.
No hurry tonight!
I guess one question I can't resist, in a 16g coil, how many 1mm silica wicks are best for it? 16's too big for 1mm, and seemingly a little too big for 2 1mm strands. But it seems a little to tight for 3.
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Needle nose pliers.
"All atomizers are +/- 0.3 from stated resistance. For instance a 2.5? atomizers can read anywhere from 2.2? to 2.8?."
I have this multimeter. It was cheap. It works great: When it stopped working, I found out i could replace the battery. Which I did and bought locally:
Search results for: 'DT95B' - AltSmoke
Here are instuctions for it. I never used a multimeter in my life, I was a complete electronics dummy, this gives a reading that is close enough for me, look how easy:
Multimeter - How to test your Electronic Cigarette Parts - AltSmoke
well cigarettes didn't taste so hot either, esp. the burning paper.
It IS possible that you are not a candidate for vaping. Not everyone is. There is always SNUS.
I had a really hard time with tastes....I have a very sensitive palatte, so just finding juice that i could vape more than 10 minutes took me months!
I think if there is a vapers group where you live, or you can get to a vape meet, you might benefit from getting some hands on help. Sometimes it is hard to explain stuff in writing. I think it would be good if you had a buddy vaper to help you?
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Well, I've learned a lot reading all this. One thing I can add after my brief experience with vaping thus far is that everything tastes better since I put the cigarettes down. Completely down. Just my 2 cents.
Carry on.
Carry on.
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