Just my luck!

[GoodNews!]

It just sucks cuz I hate snus lol I don't even vape for the nicotine, I vape because when I get my hands on a device that somehow, in some magical way, it tastes clean and pure, I consider it one of the few magical things we have in this world... well, at least in my world.

The truth is, even beyond my twitch (yes, I dropped my hexagon wench tool about 10 times before I ever got it in the screws of one of the RDA's lol), I have certain physical disabillities and characteristics that really alienate me from the social world at large. To me, the most magical thing in the world is traveling - I love going to mueseums, historical sites, old train stations, anything that evokes that true feeling that there's a lot of wonder in the world. Yet, my biggest dream has always been to have a partner to travel with, and to be able to travel without a lot of medical hassles that tend to keep me inside my home.

vaping, when I'm tasting those pure flavors, like I did in the Cisco, it's like the one magical thing I can do inside my home. All sorts of juices, no matter what kind they are, if I taste em on a clean device, each of them triggers some memory so vividly that it's like I'm on a vacation. The worst of tobacco juices make me remember sucking on my grandma's elbow skin. It's that bizarre. And it's simply wonderful. Nicotine can be a plus, and the act of smoking something helps me quit cigarettes itself, but the big picture even beyond quitting cigarettes is that vaping would be something I'd want to do for the rest of my life - it really is one of the most important hobbies to me right now.

Even concerning all my artsy fartsy hobbies, like writing and painting, I do those things better when I vape. When I vape, I'm happier, I feel at peace, I feel all intelligent and sophisticated, from all corners, when it works, it's a joy. It is indeed a hobby that so far has tended to destroy me financially and mentally, but it's a hobby from the very first time I took a puff on a disposable so many years ago, something just clicked in my brain and I knew it was for me. I really don't want to give up on it. I've given up a lot of things in life because of curses that are no less extreme than this vaping curse, but vaping is like, the last of the last. If I can't vape, the last part of any real spark in my soul would die. I'm not in a terribly great place in life and all I ever wanted to do was sit down with a nice little vape and watch a movie.

Honestly, vaping just is supposed to taste clean, it's supposed to taste full, it's supposed to taste clear. I've gotten the results before, I know the rainbow I'm chasing. I believe someone out there is getting a vape that they can describe in the same way. And ya know, I figure it'll take me a couple days if not a week to get an RDA set up perfectly, trying out experiments for the heck of it, trying out traditional steps, mixing and matching and seeing with my own eyes if I have anything to bring to the table or if I'll have to follow the steps a lot more precisely. I really do want to do this, and I really hope it works.

It'll just take some time. It'll take some mistakes and it'll take some discovery.

 

[RubyRuby]

"make me remember sucking on my grandma's elbow skin. It's that bizarre. And it's simply wonderful."
remember???
o my
bizarre?
o yes
wonderful?
omg

 

[danny4x4]

That's the spirit old chap! Isn't ECF great!

But, ummmm, might be easier to read if you shorten your posts. Too many words and the eyes start to glaze.

 

[PLANofMAN]

...make me remember sucking on my grandma's elbow skin. It's that bizarre. And it's simply wonderful.

remember???
o my
bizarre?
o yes
wonderful?
omg

GN, isn't there someone at the local vape shop who can walk you through coil building? Or even make some coils for you?
When in doubt, hit up the owner or the juice mixer (if they have one) These guys are usually pretty passionate about vaping and have a good deal of both knowledge and experience.

 

[Rickajho]

I forgot that he said he was ordering from kidney puncher too, I saw the got Vapes product mentioned and assumed it was from there.

Well the one from Kidney Puncher comes with preinstalled batteries. Thus there would be no need for the OP to ask if "off brand" batteries might be a problem if it was that meter.

But yeah, anything but alkalines showing good voltage can result in any meter giving bad results. So if you threw 4/$1.00 bargain batteries in there from Dollar Tree your meter would most likely not be all that reliable.

 

[GoodNews!]

I put some fresh Duracell's in there, same thing.

Halo's Tiki Whatever stopped me dead in my tracks - that juice made me literally see a nighttime beach with smokey tiki torches and plenty of fruity alcoholic drinks slightly wafting about like the remaining scents one would smell while touring Amy Winehouse's old place. There was a slight aquatic note, the moist dewy texture and feel that made me see the waves of the water, but it being more realistically akin to the vapor in vapor fountains. It was an extraordinarily scenic juice.

And all on a darn CE-frickin-4! DUNNO HOW. But that flavor was something. I turned the voltage all up and down. No bad change. Fantastic juice. A seemingly working topper. I couldn't put it down at the shop. It makes me want to explore other incense juices like it though, as the Halo, in all the wonder, suffered from a bit of that Halo flatness. That's what I see though with a good juice, and it's just great. Great, great stuff! That's why I love vaping! It really can be such a crystal clear experience.

Anyway, I'm headed to the local shop tomorrow, praying someone there can help me!

 

[GoodNews!]

I'm not kidding about this Fluxomizer though, there is seriously such a silica bite to it that the silica particles build up in my tonsils every time I go to vape it, and I can actually swallow them.

This is some serious mess. This is the health issue I want to bring to light in the vaping world because it is a literal physical effect with me. The taste is pretty bad and I can feel all this silica in my throat. Polyfil does the same exact thing when it's not wet enough, just, its a little less severe when it happens, a little more filtration, I guess. Cotton does the same thing but times 10x.

Cisco atties (before washing) and wickless coils don't do it. That Cisco did not leave one particle in my throat, even when it got a little gunked by NET's. My throat didn't feel a thing. I was vaping nicotine juices, non-nicotine juices, it had nothing to do with that. Nicotine doesn't build up on soft tissue like that.

If anyone would want to truly help me get to the bottom of this issue, please, if you know anyone higher up in the vaping world, spread the word of this issue, ask if anyone's encountered it. I am having such a bad effect from this Fluxomizer that I'm actually a little worried about my throat health right now, it is bad.

I'm seriously not trying to start any conspiracy theory, this is something real - if anyone has a device that has ran a little dry and starting giving that bite, vape it for a minute, you may see what I'm talking about - you'll feel a weird build up in the back of your throat, it'll be like semi-swallowable and also somewhat stuck there, diminishing with each swallow. It'll take like 30 minutes to go away.

And if you experience it, imagine - what if every vaping device was like that from the very beginning? Imagine if that was vaping, the dry bite, the throat discomfort. It's something that just really worries me in this field, it's something I can't vape!

 

[Thrasher]

most people dont try to continue vaping dry wicks for no reason, especially not well into a minute or more LOL - that's called a dry hit and time to add more juice.

this may be part of the whole issue since the beginning, you run the wicks dry but continue to vape on them resulting in the wick becoming scorched and once that happens the taste is hard to get rid of after that. what you taste as what every one else is referring to as a dry hit. they taste bad and burn the throat, causing the mucus to coat that area to protect it.

there is a good chance your tasting burned wick and overheated wire


if the silica was actually leaving that much residue the wick would degrade and fall apart within minutes.

and your not uncovering anything that we haven't discussed before, if you search for a bit you find several threads dating back to a year or more about the possibilities of silica being unsafe and if there is a possibility it may deposit particle matter in the body.


no offense but sometimes i feel as though you may not realize how old ECF is and just how many people have come before you on some of these problems and issues.

silica melts at approx 1300-1400 Celsius

the wire melts in approx the same range, if the silica was actually melting down and burning then the whole coil assembly would be to the point of failure and the atty would be too hot to even put to your mouth.

 

[GoodNews!]

Well, like with the Fluxomizer, I filled it up, twirled it around, let it sit, vaped with it pretty much poking straight upside down in the air, I used GV's own juice, a clear, quite thin one. 3.7-ish volts, just a 650mah battery. Primer puffs, different puff methods.



It did the same thing that all Blu cartos do - 3 puffs in, and splechgh, bad vape. That socky, dusty mess. The Fluxo produces a ton of vapor, it's even quite moist in the vapor production, cooler temperature, there's just a weird silica bite. Nicotine gives an entirely different bite, it's like a bite that you can really feel on your gums and lips, and this is not that at all...

It doesn't even really taste burnt or scorched or anything, just, it's dusty, it tastes like a cotton-polyester blend, it literally vapes like I was sitting in an insulation factory, dust everywhere. I've been on the job site where they're installing insulation and having a sawdust party, this is worse than breathing that mess in. You can feel that mess in the air when you walk into that, and I feel this in my vape!

The throat reaction really could just be some mucus or something but it feels so... dusty. It really does. Rolling around in bails of straw is like heaven on the mouth compared to this.

I'm just not even a sensitive person to allergies or anything. I've been around that mess all my life. You couldn't make me cough if you stood me next to a fire and burnt up a big rubber tent. But some of these effects I've gotten from vaping, just the extremity of it really concerns me. I've never even coughed on a cigerette when actually smoking it, not even the first time! (Though I have severe coughing now, from cigarettes.)

*Yeah, I'm a little bad-A for not coughing on my first cigarette *

But vaping some of these devices have given me a run for my money. I dunno how ya'll will move on, but I've officially stopped reviewing products after this Fluxomizer tonight. Somethin' bout this ain't safe. That's my non-sensible southern side talking, but there's the weirdest times when paranoid southern people can just sense something and be right.

This is ona those times where hey, I really am reaching out to ya'll... this effect is concerning.

(I ain't stoppin' vapin' tho, dang nabbit. I'll done lasso me up a Cisco if I have to from now arn, I'm vapin' some sorta way.)

 

[Thrasher]

I'm just taking a guess but I think I am starting to see the pattern.

do you chain vape? puff after puff after puff?
or take long extended pulls of vapor close together? or do lung style inhales?


if so, I have not seen any prebuilt devices that can tolerate this stye of vaping and the wicks cannot stay wet enough to compensate for the over heating that occurs after just a few seconds.

If for some reason these are the ways you vape you may want to try and relax the pull a little more and vape like your smoking a cigar, take a mouthful, then inhale. this may give the wicks a chance to relax and re-saturate themselves a little better.

im my case many times i take a mouthfull like a cigar smoker and blow it out my nose, since your after the flavor there is no real reason to inhale as the sensory organs are in the mouth and nasal cavity. even with nicotine you can still absorb more then enough without ever inhaling the vapor.

from the patterns i think i see emerging this may be more about the vaping technique you are using and less about bad devices then you think.

 

[GoodNews!]

For a little old dinky clearo like this, what would you say is like the exact minimal amount of time I should wait before each puff?

I guess I'd describe my natural method as "*Very small puff, just to get the coil started*.... *Looks at the clearomizer a second, judges where the juice is, if it's building up around the wicks enough*....*vapes a good 3 second pull, a very steady, soft draw*.... *oh wow, great flavor, lemme hold up this tank and marvel at it a couple good seconds*... *lemme swish and twirl and tip just to make sure I get the same good result*.... *another 3 second draw....*instantly terrible vape*.

I mean, all I can say is, at least to myself, I really try to take my time, I try to go easy on the device, I try to caress it, give it life, treat it kindly, you have to do the same thing with nosing a whiskey, you have to do the same thing giving your tongue a bit of exposure to a nicely roasted stout. I'm a really patient guy! I seem abrasive enough but when it comes to my mouth, I don't put anything in it too fast.

Now, sure, I constantly try to improve my own drawing technique, I try new things, we all have to, but all I can say is yes... I do really try. Every now and then, hey, I'll take an eager toot, but usually I really do vape a device like I'm in front of the camera reviewing it. I'm just nerdy that way.

The one thing I'll add is that silica is some dusty mess though. Half of my clearomizers came in with so much sparkly dust in them that they looked like snow globes. Silica didn't have to get heated up to turn into that. Imagine what only a little heat and coil pressure could do. Maybe that's why torching works well for silica, maybe it blows all of that off... if silica could melt, it'd be plastic flying up in my mouth, but it feels like a dust, a dust that has been coated with the flavor of those horrible polyester blend cotton socks from walmart if you were to put them in a mild vaporizer.

and I really hate those socks as it is, they smell like a garbage can right out of the package. next time ya'll in walmart, go up to the men's socks, take a pack of those starter brand off brand socks, take a wiff when no one's looking, see if it don't smell like how a dryish hit tastes. some rancid mess is what it is.

 

[TheJakeBailey]

GN, It's been asked before, but do you have a way to take pics of some of the things you're talking about? Cell phone, or anything? I think it would REALLY help if people could see what you see. Your RDA may be fine, etc.

On another note, I have supplies coming in today as well, and will be trying my hand at building a coil. Lot of good info in here. Thanks to everyone who gave input.

 

[xyanide]

1: Just buy a multimeter and put the probes on the positive and negative posts.
2: If you really want a decent top coil clearo try an iclear 16 or kanger T2. With the kanger T2 heads take an Xacto-knife and make 1 triangular slit above the wick to improve its wicking. I vaped like this for a while.
3:Everyone agrees that silica and cotton have a certain taste to them. If you want something cleaner and crisper check out the tin man coil:
The Tin Man Coil - YouTube

Clearomizers shouldn't have snow globe effects and you should've washed out products before using them.

 

[GoodNews!]

No wonder I'm getting this flavor from the Flux's - I just held one up to the light, and these are SNOWGLOBES. They are filled to the BRIM with silica dust.

Is it actually OK to soak a permenant coil head device in Distilled Water, or does it have a chance or shorting the coil/deteriorating or something?

 

[TheJakeBailey]

Brother GN, you have to wash this stuff out before you use it. Every new clearo, every time. Vaping 101 man. Then you need to let it dry out.

 

[xyanide]

I fire up water soaked coils all the time when I wash them to speed up the drying process. I don't use distilled water but I don't live in the US. Water will make the vape a bit steamy for a little while but won't short it out as long as the contacts are clear.

 

[catalinaflyer]

Okay, silica dust inside the tank of any device, provided it's working properly, has no way of making it into the air channel. However, washing one out prior to using is the most basic of vaping. Peoples hands have touched it, it's not sterile and therefore vaping prior to cleaning is inhaling everything other people left behind.

Now when I clean one out I don't bother with distilled water or any of that, I use water out of the tap, rinse and dry then fill and vape.

 

[Rickajho]

And it looks like we are in another death spiral.

 

[GoodNews!]

I promised myself I wouldn't do it, but I filled up another one of these things, this time with VCV's Ultra-Thick-Spectacular, Use-This-Stuff-As-A-Jello-Thickener %100VG juice, and surprisingly enough, it tastes fairly clean.

Tasted slightly glassy for a slight moment, and then it went away.

It's just this VCV juice though. It's a walking miracle juice, as always. Their juices work better in any device than literally any thin juice could imagine. This juice, though it's a walking contradiction to wicking, and wicks so slowly that it will not even penetrate the insides of silica (you can still see dry silica inside the fly-away strands because this juice is SO thick), but somehow, on the toughest of devices, it manages to taste a lot cleaner. It's literally the Mr. Clean of juices.

I dunno how this is. VCV are like the Jesus Christ of juices. They use something in their juice that ultimately allows a coil not to get too hot. I'm not tasting any silica in this at all. At most, if I am, it tastes like a slight tinge of really clean silica, like if you actually put the silica in your mouth. There's just the most miniscule tinge of that funky throat dust.

I guess it's just because it's so wet and thick. A coil doesn't stand a chance at getting to hot against this juice. Once this juice gets in a wick, it's not leaving.

The flavor's still extremely muted, but not funky.

Hm... yeap, there's still a weird tinge of silica, but this time, for some odd reason, the silica taste is rather clean. Not the clean that I like, the bite is a little bit there, the dusty throat feel is a little bit there, but the taste itself is not presenting anything horrific. The dust is like %50 less severe.

For the life of me though, I can't explain this result. VCV has usually been like that. For every curse coil I've ran across, VCV, at some random time, has technically performed as a wicking juice. Yet their juices are literally some of the thickest I've ever seen on the market - they're all practically syrup!

I could use some of their juice on my waffles! But their juices - they've uncovered some sort of strange secret. You can't get the flavors to really come through on any device, but when it comes to a clean taste, VCV provides it, their juice just has some sort of calming effect on these coils.

P.S. The dust gets onto the coil easy with the Flux because with the way the wicks are designed, literally all of them have a gaping "hole" in the slot where juice sort of just flows onto the wick, a bit like if you took out a little too much flavor wick on a Protank. That juice is definately getting in there, no filtering.

 

[HawaiiVPR]

I feel like I lost IQ after reading the OP's initial posts, couldn't read anymore for risk of permanent brain damage. This is equivalent to watching someone who never drove a car taking a crack at changing the oil filter using only a boiled potato and a no.2 pencil, then decides to write review about the whole experience.

No photos of any of these defective items? Of course not. Its better to tell instead of show anything, thats what helps boost credibility around here...




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