Just need to get a rant out.

[MrStik]

I do appreciate the help and everything here, I hope that's not misunderstood.

I knew I should have rebuilt the coil from the get, but I thought it was fine because that's the way it came. This rda was still shrink wrapped, so however it was built, that's how the manufacturer built it. The coil was the strangest I've seen personally. It was probably 24-26g wire, somewhere around 6 wraps, and the strange part, it was a dual coil build, on one wire. By this I mean, one end clamped in one negative post, passed through the positive post, the other end clamped into the other negative post. Never scene a build quite like it, and I've watched eye tiring amounts of build videos on YouTube.

IF the rda was sealed by the manufacturer with the coil built into it, then the liability is on the manufacturer, not the B&M. But being that it is more than likely a clone, dealing with the manufacturer may not be an option. Each B&M have their own policies on how they would deal with these types of situations. I always feel blessed that I live in an area where competition that there are loads of knowledge and decent quality service.

I feel for you man, and just chalk this up to a lesson learned. I would never fire up coil on an RDA that I did not build myself, seen built, or witness it fire up to verify that it works.

I think the coil you are talking about is the Sleeper Coil
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xcKwOQzGLEU&index=12&list=PLKD8bdRWqx77f-ie7-TyYDzFo_Eh3I2zY

 

[jamtwo]

IF the RDA was sealed by the manufacturer with the coil built into it, then the liability is on the manufacturer, not the B&M. But being that it is more than likely a clone, dealing with the manufacturer may not be an option. Each B&M have their own policies on how they would deal with these types of situations. I always feel blessed that I live in an area where competition that there are loads of knowledge and decent quality service.

I feel for you man, and just chalk this up to a lesson learned. I would never fire up coil on an RDA that I did not build myself, seen built, or witness it fire up to verify that it works.

I think the coil you are talking about is the Sleeper Coil
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xcKwOQzGLEU&index=12&list=PLKD8bdRWqx77f-ie7-TyYDzFo_Eh3I2zY

I hear yah, and I don't expect shops to test everything they sell, but it would just be nice if someone would take a little responsibility for something they sell. Either that or at least know the details of what they're selling. The guy I spoke to yesterday didn't actually run the place, so I'm going to swing by today to chat with with guy that does. In the meantime, thanks to a user here, I'll have a mech for a backup, but regardless, I still want to know if he's willing to do anything at all, even if it's knocking the price down on something else to make it affordable. If he tells me too go fly a kite then yes, I'm done there, but he's usually a cool pretty straight laced guy, so I'll give him a chance.

I'm not denying all responsibility, I probably should have just taken the 5 minutes and rebuilt the coil, but that doesn't make me completely responsible for the whole situation.

 

[MrStik]

I hear yah, and I don't expect shops to test everything they sell, but it would just be nice if someone would take a little responsibility for something they sell. Either that or at least know the details of what they're selling. The guy I spoke to yesterday didn't actually run the place, so I'm going to swing by today to chat with with guy that does. In the meantime, thanks to a user here, I'll have a mech for a backup, but regardless, I still want to know if he's willing to do anything at all, even if it's knocking the price down on something else to make it affordable. If he tells me too go fly a kite then yes, I'm done there, but he's usually a cool pretty straight laced guy, so I'll give him a chance.

I'm not denying all responsibility, I probably should have just taken the 5 minutes and rebuilt the coil, but that doesn't make me completely responsible for the whole situation.

I hope they at least try to meet you in the middle... Good luck

 

[Cavenerd]

The fact that I am very anti regulation did not come through very well on my post.

I have been regulated up to my eyeballs and am tired of being told what I can and cannot do. The fact does remain that incidents, similar to this one but much worse, give the fed ammunition to advertise to the masses that vaping gear is dangerous. I am not even talking about the liquid aspect but the number of incidents where people are harmed by their mods.

We as a community need to hold these vendors responsible and educate ourselves to eliminate any negative news no matter how minor it may be. We are being scrutinized and we have a unique opportunity to make an impact on how this all turns out.

I really enjoy the choices I have now regarding all aspects of vaping. Costs remain low due to high competition and low taxation/regulation. Entrepreneurs are emerging every day with better higher quality products and are being rewarded for their ingenuity and risk. Once regulated who will fill the shoes of the little guy? Big tobacco is my guess.

Oh I went off on a huge tangent and hijacked the thread. Goodnight all and stay safe. Vape on!

Nicely said, my friend, nicely said. I am anti-regulation as a rule of thumb, but I do concede that maybe, someday way down the road BB might need to do a little hand-holding but I agree that we need to hold that off as long as possible through education and self-regulation.

Cheers!

 

[AndriaD]

I hear yah, and I don't expect shops to test everything they sell, but it would just be nice if someone would take a little responsibility for something they sell. Either that or at least know the details of what they're selling. The guy I spoke to yesterday didn't actually run the place, so I'm going to swing by today to chat with with guy that does. In the meantime, thanks to a user here, I'll have a mech for a backup, but regardless, I still want to know if he's willing to do anything at all, even if it's knocking the price down on something else to make it affordable. If he tells me too go fly a kite then yes, I'm done there, but he's usually a cool pretty straight laced guy, so I'll give him a chance.

I'm not denying all responsibility, I probably should have just taken the 5 minutes and rebuilt the coil, but that doesn't make me completely responsible for the whole situation.

I agree; it seems that what really caused it was a malfunctioning switch in your mod, causing that continuous-fire. It's true you really should have tested the coil; I'm guessing from what I've read here that your mod really should not have even been able to fire a coil that low-resistance? That would definitely be a fault in the mod. It appears to just be a perfect storm of errors, leading to that dead PV, and I don't blame you at all for being upset about it, especially since you had no backup, but it's one of those real learning experiences -- those mostly "stick" better, the more painful/infuriating they are. Sorta like that doofus who exploded his mod at that vape meet... bet he won't do THAT again.

It's just part of the human condition, I suppose: feces occurs. At least YOU were not injured or killed.

Andria

 

[Sunburst]

I can't remember any store warning me about the dangers of smoking when i purchased cigarettes. They also didn't tell me which end to light - it was down to me. It wasn't their problem.

Sorry for the snip-job on your post, but this is the bit to which I wish to reply. I don't think that's a fair comparison at all. Smokes have a warning on the pack, they are highly, highly regulated and the average layperson knows that smoking is a pretty bad idea. However, there isn't really any reasonable way that one solitary, bad cigarette can just up and injure you seriously. When dealing with DC electricity, that possibility definitely exists. If you're going to run or work in a vape shop, your first qualification besides knowing the address and schedule, is to measure a customer's needs and knowledge level and respond accordingly.

Sure, businesses exist to make money. If I had financial gains with the sale of this equipment, it would be quite important for me to help you make the most informed and best decision you could. It ensures return business and good word-of-mouth. Those things are of paramount importance to small, local business. I suppose there are cases of there only being one shop around and they could afford to not care, but with that attitude they won't be driven enough to sustain and grow their enterprise.

Anyway, sorry I took off on a novella, I just don't think that analogy is valid.

 

[ppeeble]

Yep, yours is a valid point and i was being absurd to get my point over.
The trouble with this thread is that a logical answer to this sort of problem is to regulate all vaping devices to stop this happening.
We can either regulate ourselves using common sense and education or we can have that responsibility taken off us and all end up using BT manufactured 1st gen devices. No thanks.
Drippers are designed and made for the purchaser to build themselves. The responsibility is on the builder. In this case the dripper came with a coil pre-built by someone in a factory who probably doesn't know what vaping is and is on minimum wage. The coil and wick could have been made from anything.
I agree that the B&M should not have sold a pre-built coil unless they knew exactly its resistance and construction materials.
Equally, anyone using a pre-built dripper without testing it (or asking for confirmation of resistance etc) is just as culpable in my opinion.
It's a ....ty thing to happen but the OP took a chance and lost.....