Just need to get a rant out.

[drunkenbatman]

Aren't electronic mods supposed to protect you from exactly such situations???? My understanding is that they are continuously measuring several parameters such as internal box temperature, battery voltage, current / coil resistance and as soon as something is out of specs/range...

That's how it is supposed to work, and does in the vast majority of cases. There are cases where it won't though, and we don't fully know what happened in this case. e.g.:

1. Firmware bug in the chip where it gets confused (I wonder about these often)

2. mods being advertised as $X amperage, but the components really struggling at the high end.

3. Bad firing circuit which gets stuck in the ON position -- you wouldn't think this is possible, but with some it is. There was a rash of these with the 30w mods. Even with vaporsharks and such.

4. Wiring not being fully up to the amperage at the start, or becoming compromised. Hot wires melting their insulation can be scary.

It really is a good reminder that regulated doesn't automatically equal safe, though in general it's vastly safer.

 

[Cavenerd]

I'm new to vaping, and in the past 2 weeks have had awful experiences at my local shop where it was initially purchased. Terrible customer service, no help at all in explaining the equipment to me....initially gave me a 22mg ejuice when I smoke a pack a day, thought I was going to have a heart attack, then wouldn't refund/replace it. When I had problems with my mini pt3 leaking, they said, 'Yeah, that happens'. When I asked them the benefits of single coil vs dual coil, they said 'It's up to you.' When I asked the difference between 1.8ohms and 2.4, they said, 'It's a personal preference.' I now only go there for juice, because it's as cheap as paying shipping, and I can taste it first. I think the more knowledge we can gain to be self-reliant in vaping, the better, and it's absurd to me that these people in these shops are not only terrible at customer service, but don't seem to actually have any vaping knowledge to offer me.

CE- It's a sad state of affairs, but the dirty truth is that most of these businesses are only here to take our money and they are going to continue to do so as long as we continue to shop there. I'd tell those dill weeds at that B&M that I was going to find another shop to buy from and if they asked why I'd say... "Personal Preference".

Also I would tell everyone that I heard a girl got pink-eye from their drip station. Haha. I'm just teasing. I wouldn't do that. I would say she got Herpes! Zing!

Find a better B&M. They're out there. Good luck.

Most B&M sales associates know very little about ohms law and vaping safety. Where I live the sales associates are college kids making minimum wage.
... Maybe regulating vape gear is a good idea because parts of the vape industry are not regulating themselves properly to protect the consumer.
I am sorry you had to experience this and if I had an extra regulated mod I would send it to you.

I don't know that I can get behind FED regulation. I would say that any time BIG BROTHER comes along to "help" us the process gets harder and more expensive. We should try first, I think, figuring out which vendors are not worth our $$$ and then take our $$$ somewhere else. How many n00bs ask you where you get your Vape Gear? When folks ask me where I get my stuff. I don't tell them only where I get my stuff, but I also tell them where I never get my stuff. And I tell them reasons for both.

Anyway, I think that's how we start. I don't know that we've ever tried it or even how we would do it collectively, but I don't think we need to call in BB to regulate just yet.

 

[inspects]

If you're in a bind, I could overnight you a simple Spinner II with a stock tank....I bought about 10 of the 1600 Spinners when I first started vaping in November.

PM me with your contact info if I can help in any way, I don't want any money nor the Spinner back.

 

[AndriaD]

Minimal I'm outskirts, more like Rochester hills area. But no, I took it back to them, the guy actually returned that. Another one of those attys or another RDA?

Hey, my son was born in Rochester Hills, 26 yrs ago. At Crittenton.

Andria

 

[2buildawall]

The fact that I am very anti regulation did not come through very well on my post.

I have been regulated up to my eyeballs and am tired of being told what I can and cannot do. The fact does remain that incidents, similar to this one but much worse, give the fed ammunition to advertise to the masses that vaping gear is dangerous. I am not even talking about the liquid aspect but the number of incidents where people are harmed by their mods.

We as a community need to hold these vendors responsible and educate ourselves to eliminate any negative news no matter how minor it may be. We are being scrutinized and we have a unique opportunity to make an impact on how this all turns out.

I really enjoy the choices I have now regarding all aspects of vaping. Costs remain low due to high competition and low taxation/regulation. Entrepreneurs are emerging every day with better higher quality products and are being rewarded for their ingenuity and risk. Once regulated who will fill the shoes of the little guy? Big tobacco is my guess.

Oh I went off on a huge tangent and hijacked the thread. Goodnight all and stay safe. Vape on!

 

[2buildawall]

Roxynoodle, you are awesome! That is very over the top nice of you.

 

[jamtwo]

I appreciate the help, and inspects I very much appreciate the offer, but minimalsaint offered to set me up with a mech to tide me over until I get all situated.

Thanks everyone, sorry for the frustration at the beginning of this unexpectedly long post.

 

[inspects]

I appreciate the help, and inspects I very much appreciate the offer, but minimalsaint offered to set me up with a mech to tide me over until I get all situated.

Thanks everyone, sorry for the frustration at the beginning of this unexpectedly long post.

No problem, if you need one, let me know.

 

[Danbrooks2k]

One of my local shops sells e-juice, batteries, egos, regulated mods and tanks only because of liability concerns like this. I want to be upset about it, but I get where he's coming from. Heck, they don't even do the subtank or atlantis. I was really bummed that I couldn't buy a spool of wire.

You know, in beaumont we dont have much in the way of a vape shop. They sell egos, mvps, clearos... they were very slow to even get into carto tanks and I dont think they have anything sub ohm or rebuildable yet. When I asked them why they said " We really dont know enough about them to sell them "... I respect that. They still have brisk buisness and a lot of happy customers. They are mostly for little old ladies, and people trying to quit smoking needing that first ego kit.

They dont try to be anything special... That is one of the shops that I buy a bottle of juice from everytime because I want to show some support.

 

[TheJakeBailey]

I think the fact that there are burned wires inside the mod at the same time that the atty I was sold nearly caught fire might be a little more than coincidence...

I was using mod about a half hour prior to this, and it was working fine with two different kayfuns, a plume veil clone and an Aspire nautilus mini. I don't expect them to replace every bad box mod someone brings in, but really, to take something out of a box, and have it nearly catch fire, there should be some sort of action for this, even if it is a one time loss. Either way, it doesn't matter, it's fried, i've been rubbed wrong by a shop that doesn't support me after I've supported them and what's done is done.

On a lighter note, when I get paid, I will have backups for backups for backups.

It sounds like the mod went bad and wouldn't stop firing. Nothing in the atty can cause a regulated mod to fire. Sounds like the B&M did you a solid by replacing the atty.

 

[jamtwo]

It sounds like the mod went bad and wouldn't stop firing. Nothing in the atty can cause a regulated mod to fire. Sounds like the B&M did you a solid by replacing the atty.

Never did I say I put the atty on and it fired by itself. However, when an atty has way too low of a build, and you are unaware of this because of a lack of any kind of information from anything or anyone, and you press the fire button once to level out all the readings, you can short out a wire in the box. And they didn't replace the atty, he refunded, and the mod didn't just go bad at that moment.

 

[DaveP]

Vape shops generally pay low end wages with commission, so don't expect high knowledge levels unless they've been there a while. They'll also steer you toward things that pay them higher commissions. The people in my local shop are good folks, but some are marginally knowledgeable. I deal with the owner and know what I'm after before I go in.

 

[caramel]

protection is put on batteries that are not safe chemistry. mechs should use high drain imr or hybrid imr only.

Well it depends on what you're doing. Mechs are not necessarily reserved for subohm attys. You can definitely install something like a Nautilus Mini with a 1.8Ohm coil. At which point you will be getting something like a maximum of current of 4.2V/1.8Ohm = 2.33A and a power of 9.8W. The current is well within the range of the protected batteries and the power is about the Nautilus sweet spot. If something goes wrong the battery protection is supposed to kick in. An additional classic fuse can be added too as a second line of defense. Alternatively you can use the IMR + fuse. Fuse failures are extremely rare.

I wonder if the electronic MODs do have a fuse installed on them or not - as a second line of defense for the case where the electronics malfunction (software bug or component failure). If anyone positively knows of MODs that do - please let me know the model, I'm interested.

 

[zahzoo]

I see a lot of responses "assuming" the B&M built the coil in the suspect atty... also the issue with assuming they are selling "something that works"...

I've bought a number of cloned RDA/RBA's online that came with a coil and wick installed from the factory. Odds are that shop never opened the box prior to selling it. I wouldn't expect them to inspect or test every unit they sell... not a realistic expectation. I doubt the Chinese factories even test 1% of what's sold.

Rebuildables are not a "plug & play" device by design... and shouldn't sold as such.

Sorry to hear about the problems the OP had... It is a real, hard fact that mechanicals and rebuildable atties are for advanced users. Unfortunately the massive market growth isn't keeping pace with educating both the consumer nor in many cases the resellers to look out for everyone's safety interests.

 

[ppeeble]

Most of the drippers i buy (clones mainly) come with a pre-built coil. The first thing i do (and i suspect most other people) is rip it out and put my own build in there.
I don't think the B&M was at fault here. I don't believe any vape shop should sell pre-built atties personally but if they do then the onus is on the purchaser to ensure he/she is up to speed.
I can't remember any store warning me about the dangers of smoking when i purchased cigarettes. They also didn't tell me which end to light - it was down to me. It wasn't their problem.
Your complaint here is solely down to the poor quality device you tried to fire the coil on. The 'protection' features simply didn't work. I can't see what else the B&M could do.
Hopefully you will be back vaping again soon and be a little more aware of your responsibilities..

 

[Fuzzy Bruce]

Good to let it out, a rant is a healthy alternative to setting the shop on fire as was suggested, even if it was a joke!

I have never put ant atty on any mod before giving it a good wash down. The chance of inhaling machine oil does not sound appealing to me. Too, If the atty is pre-coiled from China, I do not trust the coil or the wicking material.

 

[rhean]

I don't know what the shop is like, but I wouldn't hold them responsible for bad coils that come with the rdas they sell. Most people toss these, and build their own. It's safer.

As far as the mod: wires, electronics up the risk of equipment failure. Given the nature of these things, given that they didn't sell you the mod, didn't witness the failure, etc., I'm afraid I can't blame the shop for refusing to replace the mod. It's great that they gave you a refund on the atty; I know a few places that wouldn't even do that much for rebuildables, as odds of user-caused failure are so great.

lol idk. This one's difficult.

 

[beckdg]

Well it depends on what you're doing. Mechs are not necessarily reserved for subohm attys. You can definitely install something like a Nautilus Mini with a 1.8Ohm coil. At which point you will be getting something like a maximum of current of 4.2V/1.8Ohm = 2.33A and a power of 9.8W. The current is well within the range of the protected batteries and the power is about the Nautilus sweet spot. If something goes wrong the battery protection is supposed to kick in. An additional classic fuse can be added too as a second line of defense. Alternatively you can use the IMR + fuse. Fuse failures are extremely rare.

I wonder if the electronic MODs do have a fuse installed on them or not - as a second line of defense for the case where the electronics malfunction (software bug or component failure). If anyone positively knows of MODs that do - please let me know the model, I'm interested.

Opening post mentions 0.3 ohms. No protected batteries. Period.

Sent from my device.

 

[Miata GT]

Today I went to my local smoke shop for some juice to drip with since all I have is nicotine and it just burns like none other to drip with, and I notice they started stocking a Little Boy RDA clone, and for 20 bucks I figured I'd try it out. So I get home with this RDA all pumped to try it out, it came pre coiled and wicked, so I put it on my Cloupor DNA 30 box, press the fire button just to see where the ohms are reading...and wow .3 ohms, sub ohm with a pre setup, pretty cool! The only problem, the coils stayed lit, and after a second, the wick was melting. So I unthreaded the atty not really sure what was going on, and put my other atty on just to check my mod and make sure it was unaffected, and much to my dismay, after pressing and releasing the fire button, it's still sizzling. So I pull the battery cover, and of course, the wires smell burned. So I go back up to said smoke shop and explain everything, and he simply says, "well I can return the RDA but I really can't do anything about your mod, I can give you a deal on another mod." I explain that I'm broke and not trying to buy another mod, and he sticks to his guns and holds no accountability, but doesn't cease to preach to me about how RDAs and all this "stuff" is dangerous and how it's all over YouTube.

So now, no atty and no device for when I have to send my Vaporshark back in for another battery replacement in the 3 weeks that I've owned it. After two months smoke free, this is the first day where I'm actually being tested by stress to not go out and buy a pack of analogs and just say screw it. Instead I'm locking myself down in my house in front of the TV. Sorry guys and gals, just needed to get some frustration out before I freak out.

Since it's a regulated device your Cloupor should have stopped firing before it melted itself. Did you check the resistance for the atty on another device OR OHM CHECKER after the fact? IMO you're blaming the wrong party here.

 

[jamtwo]

Since it's a regulated device your Cloupor should have stopped firing before it melted itself. Did you check the resistance for the atty on another device OR OHM CHECKER after the fact? IMO you're blaming the wrong party here.

Well its a good thing we're all entitled to our opinions. If it was you in my place though, your opinion might be a little different.