Now logically if you examine other things that contain nicotine like tea or potatoes or tomatoes and determine that those things are not addictive and neither are the sugars they have in common with the tobacco plant then you can safely rule those things out as being the addictive chemicals in tobacco. All is not lost though. There are still about 4000 chemicals that are added to tobacco to examine. Its one of those 4000 chemicals that was added to tobacco that is addictive. Its just common sense and logic. A pure natural tobacco plant would be about as addictive as a tomatoe plant or a potato plant or a tea plant or any other plant that contains nicotine naturally. A simple test would be for you to smoke the leaves of a tomatoe plant and see if you get addicted to it.
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The amount of nicotine absorbed is directly related to the additive property. Potato and tomatoes only have a trace amounts and it would be impossible to become addicted by ingesting them. This is just one of the infinite number of flaws in your argument. Anyone that has done even cursory reading up on nicotine would have found this information so it leads me to conclude you're putting an awful lot of effort into a troll.
So now you are calling me a troll because I dont agree with you? I mean is it really necessary to resort to calling people names simply because they are presenting information that is different than the information you have been told to believe?
Well no, there are many great debates on this forum. I called you a troll because the information you are posting is so patently false and disprovable with a single search that it leads me to believe you're a troll.
Basically, you are exhibiting troll like behavior. The alternative is far less flattering.
The amount of nicotine in a cigarette is about 1.5 to 2 mg at the outside most. That is not very much nicotine at all. And what happens to nicotine when you burn it? Doesnt fire destroy nicotine? You have to think that the amount of nicotine in the smoke from combustion of cigarettes is pretty darn small.
another simple test would be for us to eat chocolate and see if we are addicted to it.
anyone here addicted to chocolate?
i'm not.
This thread is just too funny.
You have one(1) paper that proves that the other 10,000+ papers published about nicotine addiction are wrong.
A few points:
Why are people addicted to snuff, snus, and such? Is it the sugar in those?
I do happen to know people addicted to nicotine gum.
Patches, gums, etc. work because there are 2 addictions involved in smoking. The first is the chemical addiction to nicotine. The second is a physical addiction. The hand-to-mouth addiction. The patch supplies your nicotine so you can focus on the physical addiction. As you are getting over that, you gradually reduce your level of nicotine, weaning you body off it's addiction.
If we are all addicted to sugar, why do e-cigs work so well? There is no sugar in it, so why is it helping me quit analogs?
Why do anti-smoking organizations push NRTs? If they want smokers to quit and are not motivated by money as you say pharma is, what do they have to gain by pushing NRT rather than treating a sugar addiction?
Ok, I'm gonna stop now cuz I am jonesing and need to go smoke a tomato.
You have one(1) paper that proves that the other 10,000+ papers published about nicotine addiction are wrong.
A few points:
Why are people addicted to snuff, snus, and such? Is it the sugar in those?
I do happen to know people addicted to nicotine gum.
Patches, gums, etc. work because there are 2 addictions involved in smoking. The first is the chemical addiction to nicotine. The second is a physical addiction. The hand-to-mouth addiction. The patch supplies your nicotine so you can focus on the physical addiction. As you are getting over that, you gradually reduce your level of nicotine, weaning you body off it's addiction.
If we are all addicted to sugar, why do e-cigs work so well? There is no sugar in it, so why is it helping me quit analogs?
Why do anti-smoking organizations push NRTs? If they want smokers to quit and are not motivated by money as you say pharma is, what do they have to gain by pushing NRT rather than treating a sugar addiction?
Ok, I'm gonna stop now cuz I am jonesing and need to go smoke a tomato.
I think we reached the same conclusion, Nuck. I called his postings "nonsense" in the other thread and withdrew from further discussion. Leaford had the patience of a saint to tear his illogic apart. Now he pops up here with more nonsense. Why? I won't post what I suspect but can't prove.
If you spend three hours in a room with minimal tobacco smoke, you get about the same amount of nicotine in 5 oz. of potatoes, 8 1/2 oz. ripe tomatoes, 9 1/2 oz. cauliflower, and 1/3 oz. eggplant. Cooking decreases some of the nicotine. These results are appearing in medical journals (e.g. The New England Journal of Medicine) from the experimental laboratories of Dr. Edward Domino, University of Michigan and colleagues.
Where do these people get such stupid ideas from. There seems to be a bunch of people that can't or will not reading anything but rumors, They can't seem to find real research papers on anything.
I will give you folks a clue. If the article you read dose not cite/list a article from a scientific journal, it is rumor or opinion. Also if you cant find the article it is not good either, you may be surprise at the bogus cite/listing of article. Do a little research before you start stating fact that may or may not be true.
drewterry, OShA, said that second had smoke was a myth a long time ago.
I will give you folks a clue. If the article you read dose not cite/list a article from a scientific journal, it is rumor or opinion. Also if you cant find the article it is not good either, you may be surprise at the bogus cite/listing of article. Do a little research before you start stating fact that may or may not be true.
drewterry, OShA, said that second had smoke was a myth a long time ago.
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The List of Additives in Cigarettes
Here is a list of some of the ingredients approved to be placed in cigarettes. And all anyone can do is talk about the nicotine. What about the rest of them. The floor cleaning the ammonia the bleach etc. etc. etc.
Here is a list of some of the ingredients approved to be placed in cigarettes. And all anyone can do is talk about the nicotine. What about the rest of them. The floor cleaning the ammonia the bleach etc. etc. etc.
So a little bit of second had smoke has as much nicotine as a pound and a half of veggies? How much nicotine is that in mgs? How does that equate to SMOKING 1 cigarette? Can you post a link to this?
Prove your arguments, dude. We have thousands of articles disproving your theory. Provide a couple that prove your side.
Go to the link of the some 599 chemicals approved for use in cigarettes and tell me beyond a doubt that none of those are addictive. I mean grow some tobacco yourself and tell me how it stacks up against a cigarette. For that matter you are already smoking an e cigarette that contains nicotine. That means you should never have a craving for another analog cigarette again right? E cigarettes should make regular cigarettes obsolete right? I mean you could just chew nicotine gum or smoke an e cig and never crave a regular cigarette again.
Although the OTC patch and gum purchasers received a product users guide and an audio tape with quitting tips, there were no other education, counseling or support components. As you review the below findings keep in mind that all historical data indicates that unassisted cold turkey quitters have an 11% chance of quitting for six months (the average of all June 2000, USDHHS Guideline Meta Tables for control groups).
In the Shiffman "Real-world" study, only 3% of those using the Rx nicotine patch and 9.2% of those using the OTC patch were not smoking at six months. In the nicotine gum groups, only 7.7% of the Rx gum group and 8.4% in the OTC gum group were not smoking at six months. Sadly, the average for the four groups was just 7%.
So if the only thing in cigarettes that is addictive is nicotine why do people using the gum and patches and taking nicotine go back to smoking cigarettes instead of becoming addicted to the patches and gum?
In the Shiffman "Real-world" study, only 3% of those using the Rx nicotine patch and 9.2% of those using the OTC patch were not smoking at six months. In the nicotine gum groups, only 7.7% of the Rx gum group and 8.4% in the OTC gum group were not smoking at six months. Sadly, the average for the four groups was just 7%.
So if the only thing in cigarettes that is addictive is nicotine why do people using the gum and patches and taking nicotine go back to smoking cigarettes instead of becoming addicted to the patches and gum?
right, i don't crave analog cigarettes anymore.
right, analog cigarettes are obsolete in my home.
right, i smoke e-cigs and don't crave regular cigarettes.
i also don't crave chocolate.
what exactly is your point?
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