Just some information for you

[Tasdad]

So if the only thing in cigarettes that is addictive is nicotine why do people using the gum and patches and taking nicotine go back to smoking cigarettes instead of becoming addicted to the patches and gum?

Speaking from personal experience, the physical addiction.

The several times I tried to quit smoking, I always went back because of a stressful event. Whether it be a bad day at work, fight with the wife, or whatever, I needed to sit down, and physically inhale a cigarette. I needed the smoke coming from my mouth. I needed to feel that hit at the back of my throat.

With e-cigs, I get all of that. And I haven't smoked in over a month. Even on my worst days now, I do not need a cig. The e-cig provides everything that an analog used to provide for me.

As I said before, why do e-cigs work so well if we are addicted to sugar? Wouldn't pixie sticks be a better alternative?

PS. Did you happen to notice, the organization you linked to states clearly in several places that nicotine is the addictive substance in cigarettes? Even the people you are quoting don't agree with your statements.

 

[drewterry]

Cool. Now would you say you are addicted to e cigs? And if so how addicted to them are you?

 

[drewterry]

I mean I have some questions. Do you think that you are as addicted to electronic cigarettes as you were to analog cigarettes? Do you feel healthier on electronic cigarettes or is the nicotine in them still poisonous and making you short of breath etc.. ?

 

[CssReb]

I mean I have some questions. Do you think that you are as addicted to electronic cigarettes as you were to analog cigarettes? Do you feel healthier on electronic cigarettes or is the nicotine in them still poisonous and making you short of breath etc.. ?

I think if you take the time and read the threads in the forum those questions are already answered. What I really want to know and hasn't been covered in any other thread is:

1. Drew, do you smoke or Vape?
   
2. Breifs, boxers or commando?
   
3. Where do you live?

 

[Tasdad]

I mean I have some questions. Do you think that you are as addicted to electronic cigarettes as you were to analog cigarettes? Do you feel healthier on electronic cigarettes or is the nicotine in them still poisonous and making you short of breath etc.. ?

I would say I vape a lot more than I used to smoke. I feel a lot healthier. I don't wake up coughing in the middle of the night anymore.

Would I say I am addicted? Maybe. I have been able to go 6-8 hours without a vape and didn't used to be able to go 1 hour without a cigarette, yet when I do vape, I can vape constantly for hours on end where with cigarettes, I couldn't smoke more than 1 every 15 minutes or so(mostly because my lungs couldn't handle it.

So please tell me. If I am addicted to the sugars in cigarettes, why have I been off them for over a month? I am not freebasing lines of sugar here. I have not changed my diet or lifestyle. I simply replaced one nicotine source with another. How did that work if I am addicted to sugar?

 

[drewterry]

The cartridges have propylene glycol in them the same as cigarettes do. The cartridges are sweet. But there are a lot of people on here who use glycerin in their cartridges when they refill them that is sweet too not to mention any flavorings you add. So you have sugar in various forms and nicotine. You can also go a lot longer without craving a puff than you could when you smoked cigs. Interestingly enough if you go over and look at the health section of this forum you will find people having all the symptoms of quitting smoking. The headaches the shakes the sleep problems etc etc. Yet they are still getting nicotine and some form of sugar admitedly but not 4000 other chemicals and they are still having withdrawl symptoms from cigarettes.

 

[Tasdad]

ok, so e-smokers are getting sugar but still having withdrawl symptoms?

I'm confused. Am I addicted to the paper now?

Please answer these questions

1. What, exactly, do you think I am addicted to?

2. Where is your research that proves that?(more than 1 source please)

3. What is your professional background that allows you to accurately read and interpret the data you are seeing?

 

[strayling]

Some people add sweet flavourings to alcoholic drinks, but nobody claims alcoholics are addicted to the other 7 in a 7&7.

As for the "tar" in cigarettes, it's not the same stuff as the tar that is used to make roads. Here is what the ultimate authority has to say about it.

 

[drewterry]

ok, so e-smokers are getting sugar but still having withdrawl symptoms?

I'm confused. Am I addicted to the paper now?

Please answer these questions

1. What, exactly, do you think I am addicted to?

2. Where is your research that proves that?(more than 1 source please)

3. What is your professional background that allows you to accurately read and interpret the data you are seeing?

Go read the section on this forum devoted to health and health issues. What people are describing in that whole sub section of the forum are withdrawl symptoms from coming off of cigarettes. And they are having these symptoms while smoking nicotine.

 

[drewterry]

Some people add sweet flavourings to alcoholic drinks, but nobody claims alcoholics are addicted to the other 7 in a 7&7.

As for the "tar" in cigarettes, it's not the same stuff as the tar that is used to make roads. Here is what the ultimate authority has to say about it.

Exactly. Resin is a hydrocarbon secretion of many plants, particularly coniferous trees. It is valued for its chemical constituents and uses, such as varnishes and adhesives, as an important source of raw materials for organic synthesis, or for incense and perfume. Fossilized resins are the source of amber. Resins are also a material in nail polish.

Pitch for example is a resin. Tar are resinous substances caused by burning plant material. The resin is the chlorophyl or blood of the plant and this resin is where the sugar in a plant is. Resin is mostly burned or caramalized glucose.

 

[drewterry]

Resin is a natural or synthetic compound which begins in a highly viscous state and hardens with treatment. Typically, resinresinresin is soluble in alcohol, but not in water. There are a number of different classes of resinresinresin, depending on exact chemical composition and potential uses. There are numerous applications for resins, ranging from art to polymer production, and many consumers interact with products which contain resinresinresin on a daily basis.
Natural resinresinresin comes from plants. A classic example is pine sap, which has the characteristic sharp odor of terpene compounds. As anyone who has interacted with pine sap knows, the substance is very viscous, but it hardens over time. A number of other plants produce resins, and plant resins have been used by humans for thousands of years. Some plants exude a similar substance called gum or gum resinresinresin which does interact with water. Gum tends to be softer and more malleable than resinresinresin.




Now in fairness I can see why this would be harmful to your lungs. It would coat your lungs and harden thus obstructing your lungs ability to absorb oxygen from the air you breath which would make you short of breath if you smoked cigarettes or any plant material.

 

[strayling]

Resin is mostly burned or caramalized glucose.

No. No it isn't. See the links you posted for details.

Edit: Ah, I see you looked a bit more deeply. Good, so we can put this tar=burnt sugar myth to rest now.

 

[drewterry]

No. No it isn't. See the links you posted for details.

Edit: Ah, I see you looked a bit more deeply. Good, so we can put this tar=burnt sugar myth to rest now.

[SIZE=+1]Photosynthesis[/SIZE][SIZE=+1] is the process by which plants, some bacteria, and some protistans use the energy from sunlight to produce sugar, which [/SIZE][SIZE=+1]cellular respiration[/SIZE][SIZE=+1] converts into [/SIZE][SIZE=+1]ATP[/SIZE][SIZE=+1], the "fuel" used by all living things. The conversion of unusable sunlight energy into usable chemical energy, is associated with the actions of the green pigment [/SIZE][SIZE=+1]chlorophyll[/SIZE][SIZE=+1]. Most of the time, the photosynthetic process uses water and releases the oxygen that we absolutely must have to stay alive. Oh yes, we need the food as well![/SIZE]

 

[drewterry]

What is sap? Sap is the blood of a tree. It is mostly sugar. The sugar is produced by photosynthesis. The sugar is the plants food. That is what it eats. And its transports this sugar through its pitch or sap. This pitch or sap that is saturated with sugar is what resin is.

 

[strayling]

Photosynthesis is the process by which plants, some bacteria, and some protistans use the energy from sunlight to produce sugar, which cellular respiration converts into ATP, the "fuel" used by all living things. The conversion of unusable sunlight energy into usable chemical energy, is associated with the actions of the green pigment chlorophyll. Most of the time, the photosynthetic process uses water and releases the oxygen that we absolutely must have to stay alive. Oh yes, we need the food as well!

I know that. It's interesting, but it's got bugger-all to do with the tar produced by burning tobacco.

 

[strayling]

What is sap? Sap is the blood of a tree. It is mostly sugar. The sugar is produced by photosynthesis. The sugar is the plants food. That is what it eats. And its transports this sugar through its pitch or sap. This pitch or sap that is saturated with sugar is what resin is.

Ok, I give up. You're backpedalling and trying to find a way to claim that tar=burnt sugar and you are quite simply wrong.

 

[Nuck]

I'm sold. The large font convinced me.

 

[CssReb]

LOL Nuck

He had me at maple syrup

 

[Tasdad]

I'm sold. The large font convinced me.

For me it was the wikipedia links. Anyone who uses that as a source is unstoppable.

 

[strayling]

For me it was the wikipedia links. Anyone who uses that as a source is unstoppable.

Oy! I resemble that remark.

(Wiki's a good starting point, IMO.)