Also with nichrome I've made perfect coils and at perfect specs and when I fire them up the battery's protection circuit shuts off like its a dead short even with a 3 ohm coil. I was using 32 gauge and I ended up stretching the wire a bit with some pliers and it solved the problem. Kanthal at the same resistance didn't give me this problem. So that's my main reason for using it. Plus kanthal is way less springy and easier to wrap.
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You'll note most always flame treat any resistance wire before wrapping.
That's the same stuff you hear about brass posts. A little knowledge is dangerous. People complained about brass in the Did so he came out with ss parts. Now the price went up and he has ss parts he can't sell. Because a few people made a big stink. I call them the vegans of the vape world. The flavoring is much more of an unknown. IMO
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Does anybody realize that kanthal wires contain aluminum? Aluminum, recently, has been found to be causing alzheimer disease. Alzheimer disease is no longer just for the old age people. There are more and more cases of the disease even with the younger generations. So, it maybe best to consider using nichrome wire. I just thought I'll share this with every vapers.
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Nichrome has chromium in it!
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I think if we were eating our resistance wire, we should be concerned about its contents; but since we aren't and the temperatures that the coils reach while vaping are sooo far below any melting/decomposition/vaporization points of the metals, then any health effects from the compounds making up the wire are more than likely negligible. Just my
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Nichrome has chromium in it!
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I think if we were eating our resistance wire, we should be concerned about its contents; but since we aren't and the temperatures that the coils reach while vaping are sooo far below any melting/decomposition/vaporization points of the metals, then any health effects from the compounds making up the wire are more than likely negligible. Just my
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Nichrome has chromium in it!
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I think if we were eating our resistance wire, we should be concerned about its contents; but since we aren't and the temperatures that the coils reach while vaping are sooo far below any melting/decomposition/vaporization points of the metals, then any health effects from the compounds making up the wire are more than likely negligible. Just my
Hah, hah, chromium is being marketed as a supplemental trace metal to lower glucose. Whatever, but you owe it to yourself to look-up aluminum as linked to alzheimer among young adults. Good news is it has not been proven, yet. As a side note: I'm not throwing away my Kanthal wires as of yet, but I'm going to get some Nichrome just to check it out. I might even like it and it's cheaper, lol...
For that matter, nickel is quite toxic under some circumstances. I doubt that it's a problem in this application, but there aren't really any viable alternatives that I know of.
I've used nichrome 80 since the start, and it works fine, therefore I've never had a reason to try kanthal.
The 34 gauge works well for most atomizers (including vivi nova heads at 2 ohms,) while 36 may be better for really tight spots or higher resistance coils. I have both, but have used very little of the 36 gauge.
I have 200 feet rolls of both. I coil which ever one I grab first when I reach into the vape box. Can't say I can tell a difference between the two. Only reason I have both is because I found great deals on eBay and; at the time, I had been reading on this board about people having a hard time finding wire. Bought a lifetime supply while I had the chance.
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If I'm sucking down aluminum I do hope somebody is making a BIG stink. Part of the idea of vaping is to be healthier. Tough to do that sucking down something that may be frying your brain.
And how would that be worse than the Arsenic and all of the other stuff in Analogs?
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Well to have any effect it would have to get into the body somehow. To vaporise aluminium would need temperatures far in excess of anything you'd see a coil get to. I think if you are going to take in aluminium it's more likely to be from food stored in cans made of it etc. All metals are toxic in some way but they've got to get into the body to do anything.
Again vegans of the vape world. Just say stuff like with no real understanding. Live in a plastic bubble. Complain the bubble is plastic.
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Has anyone seen the documentary Sweet Misery - about artificial sweeteners. Do you know what a aluminum can used for soft drinks is coated with on the inside? I was told by a manufacturer if I knew I would never drink em. Nothing can be 100% safe. Nothing is. Minimize the risk is all I think one can do..............so I vape.....and use Kanthal wire and bamboo/cotton wicks - or like Tony said - we all need to get em bubbles.
This is of course true - iron, sodium, magnesium, calcium, potassium etc. etc. are metals that are essential nutrients, but potentially toxic in large enough amounts. Metals like nickel, copper, zinc and chromium have roles in trace amounts but again are toxic in larger amounts. Aluminium isn't needed as far as is known but it's quite abundant and likely to be in lots of food products, either as a deliberate additive, taken up from the soil by plants and in the food itself, or by leaching from containers or cookware.
What I was really getting at is that almost anything you use in vaping is going to have something in it that someone is going to worry about. For example, aluminium in kanthal, nickel and chromium in nichrome and stainless steel, or copper in brass connectors. But I can't really see those elements getting from your coil into your vapour in any appreciable quantity. You are likely to get far more aluminium in your normal diet than you'll ever get from vaping IMO.
Said well my friend. I get crazy when people just say stuff. That has brass brass is dangerous. We have been using copper pipes our whole lives. They just want to sound smart and knock things. Its the little knowledge is dangerous syndrome. But that's the average uneducated person. They think they know everything. But never read a book.
Happy vapping !
Tony
Kanthal has Iron and Aluminum in it and we oxidize it. You know what that means?
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To be fair though, Kanthal A-1's limit is 1400°C (2550°F) and the melting point of Aluminum is 660°C (1220°F). So you're melting the Aluminum and possibly inhaling fumes from it if you're using just half of the Kathal's potential, assuming I'm understanding everything correctly.
Nickel's melting point is 1455°C (2651°F) and the limit for Nichrome is 1175ºC (2150ºF) so you'd exceed the wire's ability before you had to worry about the Nickel.
As already said previously though, can any of the current atomizers even push that kind of heat? I'm talking about dry burning until the coil pops or what not. If you can ever push the coil hard enough to release some of the aluminum into your wick, I'd be slightly worried.
Obviously I have no idea what I'm talking about and am just throwing out ideas. It's all interesting never-the-less.
Thermite - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
We're all gonna explode!
To be fair though, Kanthal A-1's limit is 1400°C (2550°F) and the melting point of Aluminum is 660°C (1220°F). So you're melting the Aluminum and possibly inhaling fumes from it if you're using just half of the Kathal's potential, assuming I'm understanding everything correctly.
Nickel's melting point is 1455°C (2651°F) and the limit for Nichrome is 1175ºC (2150ºF) so you'd exceed the wire's ability before you had to worry about the Nickel.
As already said previously though, can any of the current atomizers even push that kind of heat? I'm talking about dry burning until the coil pops or what not. If you can ever push the coil hard enough to release some of the aluminum into your wick, I'd be slightly worried.
Obviously I have no idea what I'm talking about and am just throwing out ideas. It's all interesting never-the-less.
Isnt there a physics formula that would allow us to compute temperature (i was at dud at physics - e=mc2 blew me away).
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