Kayfun LITE - Part 2

[HBcorpse]

Hello everyone, I am a little confused what role the amount air flow plays in juice consumption. I initially thought a tighter draw consumes less, but then someone said the opposite is true. Or does it matter one way or another? My juice consumption has almost doubled since I joined the kayfun club - not complaining, just explaining

With a tighter draw, you're going to pull more juice into the vape chamber...
With an open draw, you're pulling less juice.
Someone may be able to explain the vacuum science behind it, at length, but this is the way of the world for tank atomizers...it even works like that in Aspire/Kanger tanks with adjustable airflow.

 

[Pclarity]

I would be very interested in the vacuum science if someone could point me to that information.

 

[Chromag9]

I would be very interested in the vacuum science if someone could point me to that information.

Put a straw in a drink. Put your thumb over the top. Lift the straw out and voila! Science! I actually have no idea

 

[Robinowitz]

Vacuum science? Hmmm...could it be as simple as "nature abhors a void?" ( I heard that statement lots while growing up). Kinda makes sense huh?

I agree with the increased juice consumption too (also not complaining). Perhaps this is why Svomesto advertises that folks use lower nicotine when using a Kayfun, perhaps because we are utilizing more juice with this atty?? Hmmm...

 

[HBcorpse]

Hey now...let's not crucify the messenger! [emoji14][emoji14][emoji14][emoji14][emoji14]

From what I've heard, SvoëMesto recommends a lower nicotine level because the Kayfun is a more efficient nicotine delivery device.
The amount of juice used should have nothing to do with that...
However, I've come to realize that it's also damn near impossible to put mine down, which means I'm vaping more...which would mean more nicotine being delivered to my system...if I hadn't finally switched to 0mg!

 

[Chromag9]

Perhaps this is why Svomesto advertises that folks use lower nicotine when using a Kayfun, perhaps because we are utilizing more juice with this atty?? Hmmm...

When I first got my KFL a couple weeks ago I had to drop my nic levels from 18 down to 12. I think I may actually end up dropping to 6mg. It has definitely been performing much better than my old Protank2.

 

[Robinowitz]

Hey HD, not crucifying the messenger here. I'm in awe of this product. Haven't felt a need to look elsewhere for my out and about toppers since I found my first V2 late last spring. Between KFL's & bottom-feeders, I'm in Vaping Nirvana

 

[MattB101]

Put a straw in a drink. Put your thumb over the top. Lift the straw out and voila! Science! I actually have no idea

Your damn close. Draw on the straw and atmospheric pressure pushes the liquid up the straw (and you thought you "sucked" it up the straw). What you are really doing is lowering the pressure in the device when you draw on the drip tip and juice flows up the channels to equalize the pressure until you take you lips off the drip tip and equalize the pressure that way. The greater the air flow the lower the pressure differencial and the less juice travel up the juice channels. The tighter the draw the higher the pressure differencial and the more juice is drawn up the channels or the thicker the juice that can be drawn up the juice channels.

Sent with no malice and not a whole lot of forethought from my new Galaxy Tab 4. Thanks Santa!

 

[HBcorpse]

Hey HD, not crucifying the messenger hereí.½í¸ƒ. I'm in awe of this product. Haven't felt a need to look elsewhere for my out and about toppers since I found my first V2 late last spring. Between KFL's & bottom-feeders, I'm in Vaping Nirvanaí.½í¸ƒ

I knew you weren't...
That's why I put the [emoji14][emoji14][emoji14][emoji14][emoji14][emoji14]'s...
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[Woofer]

the venturi effect

 

[Exchaner]

From what I've heard, SvoëMesto recommends a lower nicotine level because the Kayfun is a more efficient nicotine delivery device.
The amount of juice used should have nothing to do with that...

I always thought efficiency meant more vapor produced per each pull and therefore a higher liquid consumption - more nic delivered into your system compared to an inefficient tank.

 

[UKPaul]

Your damn close. Draw on the straw and atmospheric pressure pushes the liquid up the straw (and you thought you "sucked" it up the straw). What you are really doing is lowering the pressure in the device when you draw on the drip tip and juice flows up the channels to equalize the pressure until you take you lips off the drip tip and equalize the pressure that way. The greater the air flow the lower the pressure differencial and the less juice travel up the juice channels. The tighter the draw the higher the pressure differencial and the more juice is drawn up the channels or the thicker the juice that can be drawn up the juice channels.

Sent with no malice and not a whole lot of forethought from my new Galaxy Tab 4. Thanks Santa!

Unfortunately, this is the opposite of what is required.

More airflow = more juice required
Less airflow = less juice required.

I guess if you are looking for more airflow you would need to look to increasing the juice channel size (potential leaking issues) or to adjustable juice control.

 

[HBcorpse]

I always thought efficiency meant more vapor produced per each pull and therefore a higher liquid consumption - more nic delivered into your system compared to an inefficient tank.

Actually, vapor is a side effect of vaping...which sounds so backwards I just second guessed myself...but gimme a minute...I remember being taught this lesson.
[cue Jeopardy music]
Ok, have you ever flooded (or partially flooded) a build? And you notice that there was much less vapor, and the dreaded gurgling? That's why more juice doesn't always make more vapor. It can smother the build.
So, most tanks are designed to work within a small spectrum of the air-to-juice ratio.
More air, less vacuum on the tank, less juice delivered to the build.
Less air, more vacuum on the tank, more juice delivered to the build.
My point is in here somewhere...hang on a second...
[digs through backpack]
When the air-to-juice ratio is as balanced as possible, your build will atomize the mixture, creating vapor, and deliver it to your mouth/lungs.
The Kayfun is a very well designed device, because it is very forgiving when it comes to creating that balanced air-to-juice ratio. This is why it is a more efficient nicotine delivery system.
And if you are atomizing your juice more efficiently, you don't need as high a level of nicotine, because you're getting the most from a lower level. An inefficient vaping device will need a higher level of nicotine, to essentially make up for its poor delivery...kind of brute force "shove it in there" performance.

It may be helpful to use the analogy that guides most of my humble collection of vaping knowledge...
I view the Kayfun as a carbureted engine, and try to balance the air-to-fuel ratio as best as possible. The exhaust is the vapor, which is a side effect. Much like I tune my carburetors by the smell of the exhaust, we can tune a Kayfun's build by the amount of vapor produced, especially when we consider the airflow as part of the build.
Your mod/device/battery is just the ignition and/or computer that starts the engine, and (in the case of regulated mods) monitors the input/output and other aspects of the whole set-up!
Again, all my own opinions and views, gathered and created from my life experience with automobiles, and various vaping devices.

 

[ricks]

Actually, vapor is a side effect of vaping...which sounds so backwards I just second guessed myself...but gimme a minute...I remember being taught this lesson.
[cue Jeopardy music]
Ok, have you ever flooded (or partially flooded) a build? And you notice that there was much less vapor, and the dreaded gurgling? That's why more juice doesn't always make more vapor. It can smother the build.
So, most tanks are designed to work within a small spectrum of the air-to-juice ratio.
More air, less vacuum on the tank, less juice delivered to the build.
Less air, more vacuum on the tank, more juice delivered to the build.
My point is in here somewhere...hang on a second...
[digs through backpack]
When the air-to-juice ratio is as balanced as possible, your build will atomize the mixture, creating vapor, and deliver it to your mouth/lungs.
The Kayfun is a very well designed device, because it is very forgiving when it comes to creating that balanced air-to-juice ratio. This is why it is a more efficient nicotine delivery system.
And if you are atomizing your juice more efficiently, you don't need as high a level of nicotine, because you're getting the most from a lower level. An inefficient vaping device will need a higher level of nicotine, to essentially make up for its poor delivery...kind of brute force "shove it in there" performance.

It may be helpful to use the analogy that guides most of my humble collection of vaping knowledge...
I view the Kayfun as a carbureted engine, and try to balance the air-to-fuel ratio as best as possible. The exhaust is the vapor, which is a side effect. Much like I tune my carburetors by the smell of the exhaust, we can tune a Kayfun's build by the amount of vapor produced, especially when we consider the airflow as part of the build.
Your mod/device/battery is just the ignition and/or computer that starts the engine, and (in the case of regulated mods) monitors the input/output and other aspects of the whole set-up!
Again, all my own opinions and views, gathered and created from my life experience with automobiles, and various vaping devices.

WoW!, I used to be a mechanic and I can relate. It really is very similar.

 

[TrollDragon]

And a proper working build on the Kayfun runs nice and smooth like an old school 6000...

 

[Bronze]

Needs a P3 connector.

 

[Exchaner]

Actually, vapor is a side effect of vaping...which sounds so backwards I just second guessed myself...but gimme a minute...I remember being taught this lesson.
[cue Jeopardy music]
Ok, have you ever flooded (or partially flooded) a build? And you notice that there was much less vapor, and the dreaded gurgling? That's why more juice doesn't always make more vapor. It can smother the build.
So, most tanks are designed to work within a small spectrum of the air-to-juice ratio.
More air, less vacuum on the tank, less juice delivered to the build.
Less air, more vacuum on the tank, more juice delivered to the build.
My point is in here somewhere...hang on a second...
[digs through backpack]
When the air-to-juice ratio is as balanced as possible, your build will atomize the mixture, creating vapor, and deliver it to your mouth/lungs.
The Kayfun is a very well designed device, because it is very forgiving when it comes to creating that balanced air-to-juice ratio. This is why it is a more efficient nicotine delivery system.
And if you are atomizing your juice more efficiently, you don't need as high a level of nicotine, because you're getting the most from a lower level. An inefficient vaping device will need a higher level of nicotine, to essentially make up for its poor delivery...kind of brute force "shove it in there" performance.

It may be helpful to use the analogy that guides most of my humble collection of vaping knowledge...
I view the Kayfun as a carbureted engine, and try to balance the air-to-fuel ratio as best as possible. The exhaust is the vapor, which is a side effect. Much like I tune my carburetors by the smell of the exhaust, we can tune a Kayfun's build by the amount of vapor produced, especially when we consider the airflow as part of the build.
Your mod/device/battery is just the ignition and/or computer that starts the engine, and (in the case of regulated mods) monitors the input/output and other aspects of the whole set-up!
Again, all my own opinions and views, gathered and created from my life experience with automobiles, and various vaping devices.

I guess what you are saying in so many words is that an efficient tank produces more vapor per ml of juice- sort of like the mileage you are getting out of your car. Makes sense. Thanks for that. I find that when I loosen up the air flow, I compensate by taking longer drags , so in the end, I am vaporizing the same amount of juice regardless of air flow.

 

[MattB101]

Actually, vapor is a side effect of vaping...which sounds so backwards I just second guessed myself...but gimme a minute...I remember being taught this lesson.
[cue Jeopardy music]
Ok, have you ever flooded (or partially flooded) a build? And you notice that there was much less vapor, and the dreaded gurgling? That's why more juice doesn't always make more vapor. It can smother the build.
So, most tanks are designed to work within a small spectrum of the air-to-juice ratio.
More air, less vacuum on the tank, less juice delivered to the build.
Less air, more vacuum on the tank, more juice delivered to the build.
My point is in here somewhere...hang on a second...
[digs through backpack]
When the air-to-juice ratio is as balanced as possible, your build will atomize the mixture, creating vapor, and deliver it to your mouth/lungs.
The Kayfun is a very well designed device, because it is very forgiving when it comes to creating that balanced air-to-juice ratio. This is why it is a more efficient nicotine delivery system.
And if you are atomizing your juice more efficiently, you don't need as high a level of nicotine, because you're getting the most from a lower level. An inefficient vaping device will need a higher level of nicotine, to essentially make up for its poor delivery...kind of brute force "shove it in there" performance.

It may be helpful to use the analogy that guides most of my humble collection of vaping knowledge...
I view the Kayfun as a carbureted engine, and try to balance the air-to-fuel ratio as best as possible. The exhaust is the vapor, which is a side effect. Much like I tune my carburetors by the smell of the exhaust, we can tune a Kayfun's build by the amount of vapor produced, especially when we consider the airflow as part of the build.
Your mod/device/battery is just the ignition and/or computer that starts the engine, and (in the case of regulated mods) monitors the input/output and other aspects of the whole set-up!
Again, all my own opinions and views, gathered and created from my life experience with automobiles, and various vaping devices.

That's a really good analogy. I hadn't thought of it that way. Thanks

Sent with no malice and not a whole lot of forethought from my new Galaxy Tab 4. Thanks Santa!

 

[Exchaner]

The Kayfun is a very well designed device, because it is very forgiving when it comes to creating that balanced air-to-juice ratio. This is why it is a more efficient nicotine delivery system. I view the Kayfun as a carbureted engine, and try to balance the air-to-fuel ratio as best as possible.

Hey HB, I still have to reconcile what you said with the fact that Kayfun guzzles more juice than any other tank I have tried with similar coils and voltage ... Why is that? I get your point about the efficient balance of liquid to air, but juice consumption is an entirely different matter. You can have two carburetors with equal efficiency but one made for a truck, and the other one for an economy car with a lower fuel consumption. To answer my own question, I suspect the Kayfun was designed to deliver maximum flavor regardless of juice consumption.

 

[Chromag9]

So I built my first coil and wick a couple weeks ago when I got my KFL. I rebuilt a new coil and rewicked a week or so ago (mostly just for practice). Tonight I wanted to change juice so I just rewicked again after dry burning. Now I'm getting a pretty consistent gurgling/popping. No leaks at all from the air intake now that I replaced the top oring. Any ideas why? Did I use too much wick maybe? It's not leaking and the vapor production is great as usual so it's not really a big deal. It just didn't gurgle and pop this much before so I was curious.

Thanks.