Kayfun v5 on Temp control

[NicoT Vaper]

Tried TC on uwell Crown 1 (ni200) and it was an OK experience - flavor was good, but somewhat faint, distant and not as rich as what I'd get from Wattage mode on kayfun v5. Those of you who have kayfun v5, how is it on TC mode? Should I even bother? Also, what wire/build would you recommend for Kayfun 5 TC?

 

[TheotherSteveS]

Tried TC on Uwell Crown 1 (ni200) and it was an OK experience - flavor was good, but somewhat faint, distant and not as rich as what I'd get from Wattage mode on Kayfun v5. Those of you who have Kayfun v5, how is it on TC mode? Should I even bother? Also, what wire/build would you recommend for Kayfun 5 TC?

its excellent in TC! One problem is that the 510 pin can become loose and needs to be tightened up occasionally. This can cause an anemic vape until it is tightened up!

If you are interested in TC, for heaven's sake use something other than Ni200. SS316 (and other SS alloys) has become popular but other options, Ti and NiFe alloys are all great. I use exclusively NiFe48 now, 26 or 27g mainly.

 

[MikeB]

Tried TC on Uwell Crown 1 (ni200) and it was an OK experience - flavor was good, but somewhat faint, distant and not as rich as what I'd get from Wattage mode on Kayfun v5. Those of you who have Kayfun v5, how is it on TC mode? Should I even bother? Also, what wire/build would you recommend for Kayfun 5 TC?

I can vouch for the KF5 on TC as well. Its all I use now. Excellent vape, and TC keep my puffs a smooth temp no matter how long or short I inhale. Honestly, I tried to go back to wattage mode for a while and couldn't do it. TC is very stable on the KF5, in my opinion.

I use SS316L almost exclusively. I have some Ti that I use on occasion and some SS440, but I keep going back to the SS316L. Ti is superior for TC in my opinion, but I run a juice that gunks up the coil, and being able to dry burn the SS really hot lets me keep using the same coil for a very long time. I've tried the controlled Ti dry burn settings, but it never gets hot enough to really clean the coil and I'm still not convinced that its not making some titanium oxide. SS316L works great for me. I doubt regular SS316 is much different. I don't know what the "L" stands for.

I run a contact coil of twisted 28ga, six wraps around a 3mm rod. I get it from Temco, and even though it says "annealed" I find it's still pretty springy. I use a kitchen torch (cheap) to heat the wire after it's twisted until it glows red to anneal it further and removed some of the spring. This also sets up an oxide layer, and new coils don't need much pulsing to stop conducting across the coils. I wick with Rayon.

 

[GeorgeS]

I just dropped a 8wrap 3mm NiFe48/52 into a KFv5 and I'm happily vaping away on it.

The v5 is really a decent RTA and the small chamber and build area are conducive to great flavor for a tank.

Top fill, AFC, JFC and works well in TC mode. It ticks all my boxes.

 

[Eskie]

I can vouch for the KF5 on TC as well. Its all I use now. Excellent vape, and TC keep my puffs a smooth temp no matter how long or short I inhale. Honestly, I tried to go back to wattage mode for a while and couldn't do it. TC is very stable on the KF5, in my opinion.

I use SS316L almost exclusively. I have some Ti that I use on occasion and some SS440, but I keep going back to the SS316L. Ti is superior for TC in my opinion, but I run a juice that gunks up the coil, and being able to dry burn the SS really hot lets me keep using the same coil for a very long time. I've tried the controlled Ti dry burn settings, but it never gets hot enough to really clean the coil and I'm still not convinced that its not making some titanium oxide. SS316L works great for me. I doubt regular SS316 is much different. I don't know what the "L" stands for.

I run a contact coil of twisted 28ga, six wraps around a 3mm rod. I get it from Temco, and even though it says "annealed" I find it's still pretty springy. I use a kitchen torch (cheap) to heat the wire after it's twisted until it glows red to anneal it further and removed some of the spring. This also sets up an oxide layer, and new coils don't need much pulsing to stop conducting across the coils. I wick with Rayon.

You torch your 316L wire? I haven't found the need for that with 316L from Temco. Wraps relatively easy even with a triple twisted build, although I do have to add a bit of tension to keep it wrapped around the mandrel. Otherwise, I'm like you. All my builds are 316L and run in TC. It's just a nice smooth vape for me.

 

[MikeB]

Mike, and 3mm still fits fine on KF5 deck? Sounds like a large build... do you wrap it on outside of the posts?

Picture perhaps?

It is big, but doesn't touch anything it's not supposed to. I like a lot of wick.

When I set my coil in, I set it at an angle with one leg going directly under the screw head on each side. I pull the tail against the screw post and under the little "keeper/prong" next to the screw. I have a 3mm rod through the coil, and pull the rod (and coil) and leg tight with one hand as I tighten the screw. Then I check to make sure the wire didn't jump out from under the screw head anywhere. Then I repeat on the other side and straighten the coil. My legs touch nothing until they reach the screw head and deck.

If they torque out from under the screw head and get "pinned" between the head and the "prong", I've noticed it can make TC act a little funny. I try to keep them from touching the "prongs" until they're on the other side of the screws.

I tried to take a picture, but its hard to see unless you have it in person.

If all of this is as clear as mud, I'll try to take another for you.

 

[Eskie]

Yea, its already around a 3mm rod, so it's a big coil. I don't like it springing out to 3.5-4.0mm after wrapping. I use the coiling jig that's popular from the craft stores. Even with tension I can't keep it from springing out unless I torch it first. It's not necessary, but after trying it I liked how much easier it was to wind tightly, and I really like the oxide layer. The coils heat evenly and almost never cross-conduct. It takes about 2min to torch enough twisted wire to make enough coils for a month. Easy.

I have one of those little propane torch tanks but never really used it for anything. I have to give that a try at some point. I love the opportunity of accidentally setting my apartment on fire all to avoid smoking and the horrible possibility of dropping a lit .... and burning the rug or something (I did singe my dog once when he tried to rub up against the wrong hand and I wasn't paying attention).

 

[MikeB]

I have one of those little propane torch tanks but never really used it for anything. I have to give that a try at some point. I love the opportunity of accidentally setting my apartment on fire all to avoid smoking and the horrible possibility of dropping a lit .... and burning the rug or something (I did singe my dog once when he tried to rub up against the wrong hand and I wasn't paying attention).

lol!

Honestly, sometimes I think I do it just to play with the torch, but I do like the results too. ...so win/win?

 

[stylemessiah]

Tried TC on Uwell Crown 1 (ni200) and it was an OK experience - flavor was good, but somewhat faint, distant and not as rich as what I'd get from Wattage mode on Kayfun v5. Those of you who have Kayfun v5, how is it on TC mode? Should I even bother? Also, what wire/build would you recommend for Kayfun 5 TC?

I have been using tc for over a year now, i have an SJMY KF5 clone, its as stable as my all time fave tank (Lemo 2) on tc

Why are you putting a twisted ball of wire into it and expecting it to be good...why do people assume you have to have coil porn for flavour to be great

Try putting in a sane single spaced 26g 316L SS on 3mm coil, set it for 330/340 (at bottom end of the usable temp scale, or where i vape during summer) and tell me its not better

No one has ever managed to convince me that i need anything more than a single coil. All that twisted, clapton stuff is .... value. Even dual coils are more .... than reality. Leave that to the fiddlers and coil pornists. Case in point, the GeekVape Avocado, dual capable, i have one, and everyone i know runs it in single coil mode because its better than dual....

 

[NicoT Vaper]

Convinced. Must try now

Thank you all for your responses.

 

[Hitcat44]

Another +1 and for the KFv5 in TC.
I run 26ga Ti exclusively for my TC (run 430 & 317L SS exclusively in and for all my VW Rigs). Have DNA40 Mods and a GX80f Mod (awesome in TC BTW). My usual Build is 26ga either 9/8 or 8/7 wrap on a 2.38mm (3/32") bit which typically yields right at 0.27-0.30 ohm.
The K5 purrs along tastily and consistently in TC for me.
Of course on the DNA40's I compensate for the Ti build by a -100* F offset.

*have to check the 510 Pin tightness just to be sure all good and optimal connection/performance after the new heads-up Intel from the always informative TOSteve

 

[MikeB]

You torch your 316L wire? I haven't found the need for that with 316L from Temco. Wraps relatively easy even with a triple twisted build, although I do have to add a bit of tension to keep it wrapped around the mandrel. Otherwise, I'm like you. All my builds are 316L and run in TC. It's just a nice smooth vape for me.

Yea, its already around a 3mm rod, so it's a big coil. I don't like it springing out to 3.5-4.0mm after wrapping. I use the coiling jig that's popular from the craft stores. Even with tension I can't keep it from springing out unless I torch it first. It's not necessary, but after trying it I liked how much easier it was to wind tightly, and I really like the oxide layer. The coils heat evenly and almost never cross-conduct. It takes about 2min to torch enough twisted wire to make enough coils for a month. Easy.

 

[TheotherSteveS]

Thanks!
Strange... came up empty for NiFe48 in the US. Looks like all sellers are mostly based on Europe, why is that?

SS316 on the other hand are plants to have here, so I shall try it with KF5.

Ok! Let uw know how it goes! Meanwhile, try tightening up the 510 and see how the Ni200 build goes

 

[NicoT Vaper]

I run a contact coil of twisted 28ga, six wraps around a 3mm rod. I get it from Temco, and even though it says "annealed" I find it's still pretty springy. I use a kitchen torch (cheap) to heat the wire after it's twisted until it glows red to anneal it further and removed some of the spring. This also sets up an oxide layer, and new coils don't need much pulsing to stop conducting across the coils. I wick with Rayon.

Mike, and 3mm still fits fine on KF5 deck? Sounds like a large build... do you wrap it on outside of the posts?

Picture perhaps?

 

[KenD]

Ok, got my SS316L wire along with twisted, Claptons and triple twisted (triple might be a bit too large for KF deck)... will be doing a build later today. Can someone recommend TCR settings? Will TCR change because of double/triple twist or it doesn't matter?

The setting for ss316l should be fine. The tcr doesn't change due to twisting, claptoning etc.

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[NicoT Vaper]

I have been using tc for over a year now, i have an SJMY KF5 clone, its as stable as my all time fave tank (Lemo 2) on tc

Why are you putting a twisted ball of wire into it and expecting it to be good...why do people assume you have to have coil porn for flavour to be great

Try putting in a sane single spaced 26g 316L SS on 3mm coil, set it for 330/340 (at bottom end of the usable temp scale, or where i vape during summer) and tell me its not better

No one has ever managed to convince me that i need anything more than a single coil. All that twisted, clapton stuff is .... value. Even dual coils are more .... than reality. Leave that to the fiddlers and coil pornists. Case in point, the GeekVape Avocado, dual capable, i have one, and everyone i know runs it in single coil mode because its better than dual....

You know, I think you are spot on. When I fell back to kanthal wire, I don't build anything fancy with it, just a simple, spaced coil and am a happy camper with the simple build. So, why should it be any different for SS and TC..? I will give it a try. Thank you for your suggestion. Keep it simple, right [emoji6]

 

[NicoT Vaper]

its excellent in TC! One problem is that the 510 pin can become loose and needs to be tightened up occasionally. This can cause an anemic vape until it is tightened up!

If you are interested in TC, for heaven's sake use something other than Ni200. SS316 (and other SS alloys) has become popular but other options, Ti and NiFe alloys are all great. I use exclusively NiFe48 now, 26 or 27g mainly.

Thanks!
Strange... came up empty for NiFe48 in the US. Looks like all sellers are mostly based in Europe, why is that?

SS316 on the other hand are planty to have here, so I shall try it with KF5.

 

[NicoT Vaper]

Ok, got my SS316L wire along with twisted, Claptons and triple twisted (triple might be a bit too large for KF deck)... will be doing a build later today. Can someone recommend TCR settings? Will TCR change because of double/triple twist or it doesn't matter?

 

[NicoT Vaper]

Completely different experience on Kayfun compared to Crown. With lesser settings (watts and temp) much tastier vape. Still, I can't say it beats the flavor of a flat wattage mode.

.18 coil, 25 watts, 270 degrees F, .00092 TCR. Should I change anything?

 

[KenD]

Completely different experience on Kayfun compared to Crown. With lesser settings (watts and temp) much tastier vape. Still, I can't say it beats the flavor of a flat wattage mode.

.18 coil, 25 watts, 270 degrees F, .00092 TCR. Should I change anything?

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You should be getting little if any vapour at that temperature so something is wrong.

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