Kick 2 won't fire in Nemesis
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Try what Steamer suggested earlier.
Remove the 4mm ring and make sure the Kick is pushed up all the way to the contact pin. Then put the 4mm ring on. He may be right and it may be getting hung up on the inside of that ring.
Remove the 4mm ring and make sure the Kick is pushed up all the way to the contact pin. Then put the 4mm ring on. He may be right and it may be getting hung up on the inside of that ring.
We'll, I've been ripping my hair out over this. Switched the pins. No good. Pushed the kick in as far as it would go. No good.
So I threw in the fuse along with the kick. Hitting like a steam engine with the brass ring, and I can screw the switch all the way down. Unless someone jumps in here to explain why that's wildly dangerous, I'd rather do that than drop money on more batteries just for a button top at the moment. And I can't see how the addition of a small fuse would be any less safe than a washer or mechanical shim. As long as this isn't a "two condoms are less effective than one" scenario of some kind.....
Doesn't seem to be interfering with the mega force of the mighty Nemesis.
So I threw in the fuse along with the kick. Hitting like a steam engine with the brass ring, and I can screw the switch all the way down. Unless someone jumps in here to explain why that's wildly dangerous, I'd rather do that than drop money on more batteries just for a button top at the moment. And I can't see how the addition of a small fuse would be any less safe than a washer or mechanical shim. As long as this isn't a "two condoms are less effective than one" scenario of some kind.....
Doesn't seem to be interfering with the mega force of the mighty Nemesis.
(Waits for someone to say "the kick AND the fuse are very unsafe together!"...)
Quick question for you (I might have missed it reading this thread...) What type of atty are you using? Does it have an adjustable center pin? You may be able to adjust that in a manner that will solve your problem. (raise center pin of atty, screw the contact pin so it makes good contact after moving the center pin and remove a beauty ring.) Personally, I prefer it when the fire button shows no gap between it and the tube body, or at least very little. I've got a Kick 2 in mine with a Russian 91 atty. Flat top battery. I'm also using Fat Daddy's kit as well though I don't remember what I ended up using with respect to the screws. In any event, mine is working fine, firing button is where it's supposed to be and I'm not using any of the beauty rings.
Fat Daddy has a combo kit that includes the longer screws and magnets for the firing button. I bought the kit but I'm going to add one more magnet to the button assembly. The kit only comes with 2 and I want strong resistance when hitting that fire button. Ordered 10 of the magnets from fasttech and they just came in today so I'm going to play with those today.
Fat Daddy has a combo kit that includes the longer screws and magnets for the firing button. I bought the kit but I'm going to add one more magnet to the button assembly. The kit only comes with 2 and I want strong resistance when hitting that fire button. Ordered 10 of the magnets from fasttech and they just came in today so I'm going to play with those today.
Cool, I will look into fat daddy.
I'm using primarily my ehpro KFL, and an igo l for dripping. Same issue with both. Also, my center pin has to be kept fairly snug on my fake kayfun or the positive and negatives get too close.
I'm using primarily my ehpro KFL, and an igo l for dripping. Same issue with both. Also, my center pin has to be kept fairly snug on my fake kayfun or the positive and negatives get too close.
Is it common to have the button extending beyond the tube body?
This is my Nemesis. I haven't changed a thing about it. It's exactly as it came from Hcigar. I'm using button top 18650 batteries and a Kick 2. As you can see, on mine, using the stock pins, the tube body extends into the button and the button itself only has a 2mm throw.
Now, since these are all Hcigar clones I think it's safe to say they all have the same dimensions on the same parts. Therefore, the only variables on length that would effect button position is the battery and the Kick. Again, since we are all using the same Kick2 module from the same manufacturer, the dimensions on that should be the same for everyone, which leaves the battery as the ONLY variable on length which would effect the button.
I can easily see how a flat top battery in mine would reduce the throw to the point where the pin in the button will not make contact. What I don't understand is why that button would extend beyond the bottom of the tube. I've got the longest possible setup as far as internals go. Button top battery with a Kick2, it doesn't get any longer than that.
So why would the button extend any farther than mine with a flattop battery, unless there was a gap between parts somewhere inside? It should be about 1.5mm shorter, and definitely not any longer.
Wish I would have found this thread during my frustration period and I had the same issues as the OP with a nearly identical set up including the Kick 2. Very helpful thread. Finally hit pay dirt using the contact pin upgrade from SHOP - FatDaddyVapes.com - Home of the best vaping equipment, eliquids, and supplies!!! I'm only using the longer contact screw/pin in the bottom and my system is wired to only use the AW IMR button top 18650. See the pic below. Locked on the left and fire on the right. Short throw and spin after I tightened the contact pin down properly. Tried the magnet thing during my frustration period but not so much. The springS are fine for me since the throw is so short. Whatever works and is safe is my mantra.
About the only remaining question I have from the real experts /lol : Is their any tweak you can think of which would permit me to stand the mod up/on the base on a desk in fire mode that would prevent the unit from firing? I might be dreaming? It even fires with my PT2 and of course fires with my KF gang.
About the only remaining question I have from the real experts /lol : Is their any tweak you can think of which would permit me to stand the mod up/on the base on a desk in fire mode that would prevent the unit from firing? I might be dreaming? It even fires with my PT2 and of course fires with my KF gang.
Spring or magnets???
Mine would fire with the spring in the switch, but doesn't with the fatdaddy magnets.
Is it common to have the button extending beyond the tube body?
This is my Nemesis. I haven't changed a thing about it. It's exactly as it came from Hcigar. I'm using button top 18650 batteries and a Kick 2. As you can see, on mine, using the stock pins, the tube body extends into the button and the button itself only has a 2mm throw.
Now, since these are all Hcigar clones I think it's safe to say they all have the same dimensions on the same parts. Therefore, the only variables on length that would effect button position is the battery and the Kick. Again, since we are all using the same Kick2 module from the same manufacturer, the dimensions on that should be the same for everyone, which leaves the battery as the ONLY variable on length which would effect the button.
I can easily see how a flat top battery in mine would reduce the throw to the point where the pin in the button will not make contact. What I don't understand is why that button would extend beyond the bottom of the tube. I've got the longest possible setup as far as internals go. Button top battery with a Kick2, it doesn't get any longer than that.
So why would the button extend any farther than mine with a flattop battery, unless there was a gap between parts somewhere inside? It should be about 1.5mm shorter, and definitely not any longer.
Mine firing button extends further out than yours, no gap showing though, but to be honest, I tried so many things to get it just right I can't remember them all. When mine extended further I was probably using a button top. And I have adjusted the center pin on my Russian though that needs to be tweaked a bit. My neme doesn't get much love right now as my main vape is a Reo mini. My brass neme is in 18350 mode with a vape safe fuse in it and the firing button placement is good. No gaps.
Mine won't fire standing up, even with the Russian on it. But I'm using magnets. And my throw might be just a bit longer than yours though I wouldn't know why..... Again, I can't remember which contact screws I used. I just got it to where I liked the look and it's all been good from there. I can see why there would be differences though: flat top vs button top, how far down does center pin of atty extend, beauty rings, different contact screws. But somewhere in all that I found what works for me.
Thanks all. I'm currently using Springs. Their are two. That will change to magnets thanks to your helpful advice. FYI, which validates what others are saying: IF I try and use a Efset 18650 I would have to fiddle more since it's slightly longer. Not going to happen. 
Thanks all. I'm currently using Springs. Their are two. That will change to magnets thanks to your helpful advice. FYI, which validates what others are saying: IF I try and use a Efset 18650 I would have to fiddle more since it's slightly longer. Not going to happen.
Not to make things more complicated for you, but not all magnets are created equal. The ones from the Fat Daddy kit are a different size, and apparently strength, than the ones I ordered from Fasttech. The Fat Daddy ones are thicker and, imo, weaker. I wanted to use three as I really want to prevent misfires when standing on my desk. I found that three of the FastTech magnets worked much better than the two in Fat Daddy's kit. They're much cheaper as well. Only problem is, I had to wait about a month for them to get here. Now I have them installed in both my Nemes and they work great. Since the Fasttech magnets were thinner, it affected how far in I could screw the firing button. Using 2 of the Fat Daddy ones and one of the Fasttech ones didn't work out well at all. So if I've caught you before ordering I'd suggest the magnets from Fasttech, if you can wait that long, and try three magnets. Two on the bottom and one on top.
I'd have mentioned this earlier when I recommended the Fat Daddy kit but I just received the Fasttech magnets today and just now installed them. Still, the Fat Daddy magnets were, imo, better than the springs. And I must confess, I just like magnets anyway
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Good info. I've got the nemesis and kick 2 coming next week! This should help with some of the questions/problems I'll have
Good info. I've got the nemesis and kick 2 coming next week! This should help with some of the questions/problems I'll have
I'd also add, if one were to be buying from Fasttech, go ahead and order the 10 pack. They can break, and they're not that expensive. Plus, you can decide whether two or three magnets fits your needs best. Here is a thread that shows how to install them:
Nemesis Magnets Installation: PICTORIAL: FastTech Forums
Careful you don't lose that little brass pin. Mine dropped on the floor today while installing the magnets, fortunately I found it. It is small, to be sure.
Have fun!
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Much much thanks for both responses.Not to make things more complicated for you, but not all magnets are created equal. The ones from the Fat Daddy kit are a different size, and apparently strength, than the ones I ordered from Fasttech. The Fat Daddy ones are thicker and, imo, weaker. I wanted to use three as I really want to prevent misfires when standing on my desk. I found that three of the FastTech magnets worked much better than the two in Fat Daddy's kit. They're much cheaper as well. Only problem is, I had to wait about a month for them to get here. Now I have them installed in both my Nemes and they work great. Since the Fasttech magnets were thinner, it affected how far in I could screw the firing button. Using 2 of the Fat Daddy ones and one of the Fasttech ones didn't work out well at all. So if I've caught you before ordering I'd suggest the magnets from Fasttech, if you can wait that long, and try three magnets. Two on the bottom and one on top.
I'd have mentioned this earlier when I recommended the Fat Daddy kit but I just received the Fasttech magnets today and just now installed them. Still, the Fat Daddy magnets were, imo, better than the springs. And I must confess, I just like magnets anyway
Yep, installed the fatdaddy two magnets as per the rules and it still fires standing up. With his longer contact pin in the bottom which I installed the improvement is only very slight for me with respect to throw and stiffness. Yep, it's magnet time via FT unless someone else can dream up a better solution.Very educational!
fasttech 10 pack of magnets all the way. As mentioned above drop two down attached and add the third right above that. I only encounter firing when standing if its on a slight angle. If the table or desk it's on is slightly slanted it will fire on me. I have a Igo-w3 on there so not a terribly heavy topper and seldom do place it down on a uneven surface.
Much much thanks for both responses.
Very educational!
What issues do you have if you go back to the regular contact pin in the bottom? I tried the longer one and the throw required to fire was so minimal I ended up putting the original back in. Even still, it doesn't take much.
Today I put in the magnets and put the Russian atty on my brass neme in 18350 mode (button top) with a shortstop in it. Put the RSST on the other neme with the kick 2. Every time I change it up I have to re-adjust. Add or take out beauty ring, tighten or loosen the top screw on the neme, etc. until I find a good fit. Once you get it set up right though, you won't have to mess with it again.
Here's hoping you get a quick delivery time!
What issues do you have if you go back to the regular contact pin in the bottom? I tried the longer one and the throw required to fire was so minimal I ended up putting the original back in. Even still, it doesn't take much.
Today I put in the magnets and put the Russian atty on my brass neme in 18350 mode (button top) with a shortstop in it. Put the RSST on the other neme with the kick 2. Every time I change it up I have to re-adjust. Add or take out beauty ring, tighten or loosen the top screw on the neme, etc. until I find a good fit. Once you get it set up right though, you won't have to mess with it again.Here's hoping you get a quick delivery time!
Much thanks. Amen! I had forgotten that I had an extra magnet thanks to my dealer who took pitty on me. BINGO! Does not fire standing up on my desk. Fiddled and futz as you say with my PT2, RDA, and my "redwoods" aka KFL+ Version 2 sitting on my desk in fire mode on my nemi clone.. NONE fire standing up and no battery rattle. Two magnets on the bottom and one on the top. So for others I have the Kick 2, AMR button top 18650, the longer contact pin from fat daddys at the bottom, two magnets from fat daddys, and another mechanical magnet from who knows where ? but it works. /wew
Still getting the FT magnets for safety and that should do it until I change toppers.
Much thanks. Amen! I had forgotten that I had an extra magnet thanks to my dealer who took pitty on me. BINGO! Does not fire standing up on my desk. Fiddled and futz as you say with my PT2, RDA, and my "redwoods" aka KFL+ Version 2 sitting on my desk in fire mode on my nemi clone.. NONE fire standing up and no battery rattle. Two magnets on the bottom and one on the top. So for others I have the Kick 2, AMR button top 18650, the longer contact pin from fat daddys at the bottom, two magnets from fat daddys, and another mechanical magnet from who knows where ? but it works. /wew
Still getting the FT magnets for safety and that should do it until I change toppers.
Glad to hear you got it all straightened out! I'm not going to touch mine for a while
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