Koolada

[FinallyQuit]

Ah my favorite Newports, how I mourned thee! Nothing on this earth tasted like them, mostly tobacco with the menthol in the background. Newport vapes were mostly mint or mentholated chest rub and no tobacco at all. I gave up on them quickly. Now I'm more into a sweet tobacco like RY4 or nutty like 555, leave the menthol for those more courageous than I. RY1 by Hansen is pretty dry and realistic, it'll do.

 

[michaelsil1]

The Menthol Crystals mixed 50/50 (per instructions) is really good he has tried many Menthols and he really likes the one I make.

 

[Aurora-Oblivion]

Koolada is a crystal/solid, here's a pic of one of my bottles that's getting low

So yes it's a crystal, or at least it can be made into one anyway, so I assume that's probably how it starts at full concentration too

 

[dannyv45]

My friend still smokes and he has me making Tobacco mixes for him to replicate Camel Crush.

I've mixed Menthol, Menthol and Koolada over and over trying to find that perfect Puff for him only to have him say this isn't it. Ifinally found one he really likes

HS Indian 3%
Menthol 5% (Crystals mixed 50/50)

I don't think I'll have that problem with him. I had filled 5 cartos with my usual vapes and he fell in love with 3 of them. He commented that he could really see himself quiting if these flavors just had a coolness to the throat hit. I commented "you mean like the menthol cigarettes you smoke"?

I further explained I can add menthol, peppermint etc.. and he commented yea but the menthol taste would hide the great tobacco taste of your mixes. All I would miss is the coolness of the throat hit I get from the cigarettes. He really didn't care about a minty or menthol eculiptous taste. All he cares about is the taste of my mixes and coolness of the throat hit. So koolada sounds like the answer.

I know he's serious about vaping because the next day he bought an ego kit and 5 kanger T3's that I recommended.

 

[Rin13]

I agree. Koolada should do ya'... I recommend to start low. Like a couple drops and build up. It's pretty intense stuff.

I don't think I'll have that problem with him. I had filled 5 cartos with my usual vapes and he fell in love with 3 of them. He commented that he could really see himself quiting if these flavors just had a coolness to the throat hit. I commented "you mean like the menthol cigarettes you smoke"?

I further explained I can add menthol, peppermint etc.. and he commented yea but the menthol taste would hide the great tobacco taste of your mixes. All I would miss is the coolness of the throat hit I get from the cigarettes. He really didn't care about a minty or menthol eculiptous taste. All he cares about is the taste of my mixes and coolness of the throat hit. So koolada sounds like the answer.

I know he's serious about vaping because the next day he bought an ego kit and 5 kanger T3's that I recommended.

 

[dannyv45]

I figure I'll do 5 - 5ml testers of the same flavor and add koolada at .5% increments (.5 - 2.5%) and let him tell me which strength he prefers.

 

[Rin13]

Good deal. All this Koolada menthol talk has forced me to make some but now I want menthol even though I don't like it. I've been in a very strange mood lately... Craving things I don't even like. Last week it was Candy Corn.

I figure I'll do 5 - 5ml testers of the same flavor and add koolada at .5% increments (.5 - 2.5%) and let him tell me which strength he prefers.

 

[dannyv45]

Candy corn, holloween is just around the corner so the craving is OK. I rarely smoked or vaped menthol but I broke out a few menthol samples that I received with flavor orders to let him try them. I must admit after that I've vaped them a few times recently when my normal vapes caused taste bud burn out.

 

[Hoggy]

Koolada is a crystal/solid, here's a pic of one of my bottles that's getting low

So yes it's a crystal, or at least it can be made into one anyway, so I assume that's probably how it starts at full concentration too

Yup - I've noticed that same residue build up on the dropper I used too. It's got to be some kind of dry material at room temperature. Now it would just be wicked awesome to find it. After all, I think a massive part of this DIY vaping hobby is the ritual of making mixes and experimenting. I almost always will be in the mood to mix something, but I'm waiting on 30 more 5ml FT bottles and I think even 30 more of the 10ml ones. I already have over 30 of the 30ml bottles, not all from FT though.
Bottles, bottles, and MORE bottles! I need more bottles!!


As to the menthol talk.. I also smoked Newports for quite a while a long time ago, but when they got too expensive - that's when I switched around checking out the various cheapies, the most consistent being Speedway's Tourney, then to "L&M" when I realized they were just as cheap but could be found at every store. They were more background menthols.

Man... I better stop this talk. It's making want to go to the store and get some analogs.. :-/

Or better yet, I should continue trying to make my own menthol vape where the menthol is the background note. That's exactly the type I always preferred. And what I want to make. It seems like DIY is the only way I might find that.

 

[PinoyBoy]

I love koolada for its cooling and numbing effects. However, I don't understand how anyone can feel anything with "2 drops" per mL or the likes. I got mine from WizardLabs, TFA Koolada 10%. On most my recipes that call for koolada, I use 5-10% total volume.

 

[Hoggy]

I love koolada for its cooling and numbing effects. However, I don't understand how anyone can feel anything with "2 drops" per mL or the likes. I got mine from WizardLabs, TFA Koolada 10%. On most my recipes that call for koolada, I use 5-10% total volume.

I don't quite understand that either.. I think menthol is more like that. I was able to add a couple drops of koolada from a small TFA dropper to a clearo with small effects. Not so with menthol. To me the menthol is more powerful. Which is why I'll likely do a double dilution with the menthol.

I guess this is another one of those things in which people are affected differently.

 

[HeadInClouds]

A .9lm carto of equal parts wintergreen and peppermint, plus about 5 drops of Koolada, kicks the awake into me on dark mornings.
5 drops in pina colada makes it frosty.
5 drops in a creme de menthe chocolate liquid makes it ice cream, and it turns coconut cream into a frozen fruit bar.
I've never liked the taste of menthol, but I loooove that cold Koolada hit, yeah!

 

[Rin13]

Everyone's taste buds are different. I would die if I used 5% of that stuff, let alone 10. I have a very sensitive system

I love koolada for its cooling and numbing effects. However, I don't understand how anyone can feel anything with "2 drops" per mL or the likes. I got mine from WizardLabs, TFA Koolada 10%. On most my recipes that call for koolada, I use 5-10% total volume.

 

[Aurora-Oblivion]

I found out some more info on Koolada's source chemical! I found this by looking up the CAS # 39711-79-0 and FEMA 3455 numbers from the TFA page, so if you want to google around there's plenty more info using those numbers and names.

It is a crystalline powder, insoluble in water, here's some more info
http://khushing.com/resources/CFB+Specification+v1+Fen+09.pdf
WS 3 Supplier | CAS 39711-79-0 | Tocris Bioscience | WS3
CAS # 39711-79-0, N-Ethyl-p-menthane-3-carboxamide, N-Ethyl-2-(isopropyl)-5-methylcyclohexanecarboxamide, N-Ethyl-5-methyl-2-(1-methylethyl)-cyclohexane-carboxamide

Some suppliers here
http://www.lookchem.com/cas-397/39711-79-0.html
http://www.guidechem.com/cas-397/39711-79-0.html

 

[Aurora-Oblivion]

Got duped, too bad we can't self delete within the first min or so!

 

[Hoggy]

I found out some more info on Koolada's source chemical! I found this by looking up the CAS # 39711-79-0 and FEMA 3455 numbers from the TFA page, so if you want to google around there's plenty more info using those numbers and names.

It is a crystalline powder, insoluble in water, here's some more info
http://khushing.com/resources/CFB+Specification+v1+Fen+09.pdf
WS 3 Supplier | CAS 39711-79-0 | Tocris Bioscience | WS3
CAS # 39711-79-0, N-Ethyl-p-menthane-3-carboxamide, N-Ethyl-2-(isopropyl)-5-methylcyclohexanecarboxamide, N-Ethyl-5-methyl-2-(1-methylethyl)-cyclohexane-carboxamide

Some suppliers here
http://www.lookchem.com/cas-397/39711-79-0.html
http://www.guidechem.com/cas-397/39711-79-0.html

I was just going to post more info myself.
It seems a bit too complicated to order from those suppliers, aside from Tocris(seems expensive there), but I did find it at Sigma-Aldrich. I have no idea if they would sell it to ordinary consumers though. And I also have trouble determining what their sample size would be.

However, it looks like one would need to take great care as far as eye protection. And I wouldn't know the mixing rate. TPA says 10% in PG, but the Tocris site charges an awful lot for just 10mg even - suggesting it might be far more potent than just a standard 1g mixed up to 10mg PG.

Here: N-Ethyl-2-isopropyl-5-methylcyclohexanecarboxamide 99% | Sigma-Aldrich

For $40, if it's possible, it might be worth trying at some point... After I run out of my current ~135ml.

I also found more on it's action from wikipedia: TRPM8 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


Any knowledgeable guinea pigs around here willing to try? A chemist, perhaps?

 

[Rin13]

I'm too afraid to deal with actual chemicals. Disolving EM in PG is one thing but I'm not doing N-Ethyl-2-isopropyl-5-methylcyclohexanecarboxamide

 

[Hoggy]

I'm too afraid to deal with actual chemicals. Disolving EM in PG is one thing but I'm not doing N-Ethyl-2-isopropyl-5-methylcyclohexanecarboxamide

Yeah.. That could be the case with this one. Especially if it's a powder, there would be too much of a chance of getting where it shouldn't. And judging by the cautions that I followed through with it, it may be more powdery than crystal-like. Otherwise I think it would be just like getting the menthol crystals to mix ourselves.
(Don't forget though, some of the 'real' chemical names for EM are: 2-Ethyl-3-hydroxy-4-pyranone, 2-Ethyl pyromeconic acid, or 2-ethyl-3-hydroxy-4-pyrone. )

And... I have been trying to work with the TFA spearmint, adding koolada. So far it seems too bitter and no matter how much EM or agave nectar I add, it stays bitter. Maybe there's too much koolada (in ONE I did, there was WAAY too much) or maybe I have to try lowering the flavoring again. Definitely a work in progress.

 

[keelalagirl55]

I'm curious as to what this is, too.. Did this start from TFA? Maybe they were able to take the minty aspect out of menthol crystals?? I'd really like to know what the hell I'm inhaling here, ya know..

Perhaps more importantly, I've been wanting to find the crystals themselves. I have over a gallon of PG here at home - don't need to spend money shipping THAT. I was able to find the ethyl maltol crystals - btw easy to get mixed in a glass graduated cylinder in an ultrasonic cleaner. And menthol crystals. But koolada crystals seem nowhere to be found outside of pre-mixed.

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/ecigexpress/485686-koolada-powder-menthyl-methyl-lactate.html

Saw this this morning and remembered you were asking about it, so I had to share it here

 

[dannyv45]

I love koolada for its cooling and numbing effects. However, I don't understand how anyone can feel anything with "2 drops" per mL or the likes. I got mine from WizardLabs, TFA Koolada 10%. On most my recipes that call for koolada, I use 5-10% total volume.

My taste buds must also be really messed up. I added 4% koolata to my Hangsen elder captain and just barely got a cooling effect. I added the same to my hangsen straight up mango mix and it did really liven it up but still not much of a cooling effect. I'm glad to see some are going as high as 10% just for the fact that it gives me the courage to go beyond 4% which I think I need to do. I think my sweet spot with this stuff may be in the 5 - 6% range. Does that sound normal. Funny thing is I was never a menthol smoker. Don't get me wrong I'm not looking for a menthol taste just some cooling. Was thinking of trying some ice cream recipes but now I don't know.