Korean government attacks e-cigarettes

[Ande]

I really appreciate you guys. As transparently biased and screwy as these results appear to be, people in this part of the world are big on believing what their governments tell them.

Thinking things are NOT going to be getting easier for vapers in this part of the world, and we appreciate you all...

Best,
Ande

 

[ckim111]

You all raise excellent points. I too wish there would be an independent non biased study done. But the likelihood of any study being purely non biased is very low. And yes we can do things to help minimize the harmful effects like using organic juices and selecting the right cartos, etc. that's one of the reasons why I too do not use the pre filled cartos or any poly filled cartos for that matter

 

[rolygate]

An attack on e-cigarette use in one country is an attack on us all, because the propaganda machine will make it so.

We have to fight these lies everywhere. Every country needs a consumer group and a trade association. Those are the basic tools for defence. Without them you are helpless. Once we have sufficient individual groups like this, we need to organise on a world basis, like our attackers. Their main strength is their organisation, not their funding.

 

[denali_41]

there was a posting about this same study yesterday,,,it said 82 different ecigs were tested ...how did the number grow over night ??

unfortunately the mods have modded that posting and removed the article,,so i can't link directly to the original article

 

[rolygate]

I believe they reported that 121 were tested, and 82 were 'toxic'.

Since two-thirds showed contamination, and nobody else has found these chemicals, you'd think that would have raised some sort of flag. If the FDA couldn't find that stuff despite working very hard to dig up anything remotely harmful, it should have made somebody in the Korea Health Ministry think twice. Maybe they think their people are better at it than the FDA.

 

[denali_41]

I believe they reported that 121 were tested, and 82 were 'toxic'.

Maybe they think their people are better at it than the FDA.

most likely,,Asian doctors think they are a lot better then American doctors at every thing !!!!!


one other question i had about that report was ,,which brands of ecigs were tested?? the article vaguely implied they were all Chinese..now i know the Koreans are guilty as hell of making knock-offs also,,

things that make you go hmmmmmmmm

 

[throatkick]

But it needs to be appreciated that no other lab in the world has found these chemicals - even the FDA. They spent a great deal of money looking for things like this.
Draw your own conclusions.

I'm not a chemist either, but I think you just hit the nail on the head with the above. This is exactly what I have based my conclusions on. Additionally, if all of this were true would there be so many articles that were clearly "reaching" to find something bad to write about vaping?

What is worrisome to me is that these "findings" appear to be following the tried and true formula: Problem-Reaction-Solution. The problem is created, the media reacts and then the government controls it and provides the solution.

 

[rolygate]

The only thing I regret about my radio interview is that I was forced to point out that the Korean laboratory shows every sign of gross incompetence. This reflects badly on Korea as a whole, for which I apologise.

Of course, the incompetence and corruption of government agencies is a worldwide issue, and has no relevance to the reputation of any country concerned. As I pointed out, there was a serious incident of this type in the UK - which at least was corrected by the agency concerned being abolished. Likely this had nothing to do with their e-cig testing errors, which was probably just a symptom of their wider incompetence.

 

[Jim Bob]

Exactly the points I have been trying to make albeit not so well as you folks

 

[Ande]

I believe they reported that 121 were tested, and 82 were 'toxic'.

Since two-thirds showed contamination, and nobody else has found these chemicals, you'd think that would have raised some sort of flag. If the FDA couldn't find that stuff despite working very hard to dig up anything remotely harmful, it should have made somebody in the Korea Health Ministry think twice. Maybe they think their people are better at it than the FDA.

I worry that it's a red-flag they didn't feel the need to pay attention to.

Whether the government folks themselves feel that they found something that the FDA didn't, or are actually aware of the reality is irrelevant.

Unless statements from government studies are loudly refuted (and maybe even then), people will tend to believe their own government. The fact that the FDA didn't manage to find it will play nicely into existing prejudices for some people, and just be ignored by others.

Best,
Ande

 

[Ande]

I believe they reported that 121 were tested, and 82 were 'toxic'.

Since two-thirds showed contamination, and nobody else has found these chemicals, you'd think that would have raised some sort of flag. If the FDA couldn't find that stuff despite working very hard to dig up anything remotely harmful, it should have made somebody in the Korea Health Ministry think twice. Maybe they think their people are better at it than the FDA.

I worry that it's a red-flag they didn't feel the need to pay attention to.

Whether the government folks themselves feel that they found something that the FDA didn't, or are actually aware of the reality is irrelevant.

Unless statements from government studies are loudly refuted (and maybe even then), people will tend to believe their own government. The fact that the FDA didn't manage to find it will play nicely into existing prejudices for some people, and just be ignored by others.

Best,
Ande

 

[Njt07]

I was in a taxi last night and asked the driver if it was ok if I used my jonjatambe Korean for ecig, the driver was fine with it but then rove ended to lecture me on the Korean news saying how bad ecigs are for you. The cabbie smokes, but wouldn't or couldn't understand when I told him its possible ecigs are worse for you than not smoking but they blow cigarettes out of the water as far as danger to your health. The Korean news has a stranglehold on the populace her and if the news or govt says it, it's gotta be true.

I don't think you guys realize how much of a hit this will be on us vapors if this report isn't challenged

 

[rolygate]

Can someone translate the Korea lab report accurately for me, please?

I've got a Google Translate version but it's not exactly perfect.

korea-pr

I also have a statement about this that we can put in the Korea forum if it's translated, so Naver can pick it up.

 

[Ande]

Can someone translate the Korea lab report accurately for me, please?

I've got a Google Translate version but it's not exactly perfect.

korea-pr

I also have a statement about this that we can put in the Korea forum if it's translated, so Naver can pick it up.

How soon do you need it? My Korean isn't really up to the task. Valsacar might be, though I'm not sure.

I can find somebody and have it done, though. (I'm at a university. There'll be somebody around here who can do it.) It's pretty near impossible to get anything done over the lunar new year holiday, so it will be several days to a couple of weeks to get a good translation from me.

Best,
Ande

 

[chet]

It looks like in almost every line at least a word or two(or more) are missing. I looked after downloading the document and it's still that way. Some parts I can still guess what it's saying but some are impossible to translate.
It was actually like this on the scribd documents you posted links to on your original post. I thought it was document errors but maybe it's the scribd? Can I download the original file somewhere?

 

[rolygate]

OK, I have written an article about all this that can be translated and placed in the Korea forum here on ECF for Naver/Daum:

Korea Attacks E-Cigs

It's in the News section on the ECCA site because I was invited to speak on Korean radio as the ECCA sec.

Can we get this translated please?

 

[rolygate]

@ Chet
I can email the report to you, it won't attach here, and maybe uploads go wrong as well.

 

[Valsacar]

I'll see what I can do about translating that article, if I can get my wife to help it shouldn't be too bad. What you wrote is a lot easier than the actual report.

 

[Valsacar]

This is a bit harder than I first thought (made it through the first few paragraphs), a lot of this (in Korean) comes from Chinese and isn't commonly used words.

 

[Valsacar]

Got through some more, hard part is getting the same feeling across... in Korean (at least what my wife and I can do) it comes across more like childish accusations instead of the original feeling of it. A professional translator that specializes in scientific papers would probably be able to keep the same feeling as the original paper... but we'll keep working on it (I know some professionals, I'll see what they say).