KSD Issues Statement on Fasttech

[crxess]

Okay, let me get this straight.
KSD sending out notice that fasttech Vamo is a Clone(Rip-off) of their Rip-off of the Vamo?

CYA = Same old same old

Later

Edit: Side note - I own one of the very FIRST Vamo releases out of China, Vamo V1 Chrome, before the SS was even considered.

NOT, I repeat, NOT made by KSD

 

[lesborda]

Either way no matter who makes the KSD Kmax although according to their website VV, VW, Mechanical Mod_Shenzhen Kangside Technology Co., Limited they make Kmax, Vamo and other products, it is GARRR----BIDGE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I had 3 of them, 2 from fasttech one from a USA vendor. They lasted less than 4-5 months, terribly fragile, roll of you coffee table to the carpet and if your tank hits they come apart at the seams. I repaired them several time including re soldering wires,making a positive end battery contact. Today I tossed the 2nd one in the garbage, the one that is left is on it's last legs.
Very poor trigger button it runs away like many do, suddenly your at 6 volts and all you have done is take 2-3 vapes. Very nice looking mod but it ends there, after 3 of them, never again. Sad to say the Vamo is far more durable( I have a V2 and 2 V3's) if you can handle the poor 510 connector.

Regards
Les

 

[Ahoy]

China companies do this with many products. Not just vaping. So nothing surprises me here at all.

What surprises me more is that people are surprised that this kind of stuff goes on

 

[retired1]

**sigh** And to think this thread was just 3 days from being auto-locked by the forum software.

 

[Topacka]

Kamry has a similar notice on their site.

Ironic because the k100 is a clone of the empire, lol.

 

[Vapor Vinny]

Why would any small manufacturer spend the time and resources to develop a new product only to have it ripped off and cloned by the Chinese? Almost overnight in some cases. You might like the great deals at FT, but know them for what they are. At worst, they are thieves. At best, they are doing the thieves bidding.

I ain't so damn poor I can't respect the work of others.

 

[Topacka]

Why would any small manufacturer spend the time and resources to develop a new product only to have it ripped off and cloned by the Chinese? Almost overnight in some cases. You might like the great deals at FT, but know them for what they are. At worst, they are thieves. At best, they are doing the thieves bidding.

I ain't so damn poor I can't respect the work of others.

Let it be noted that most manufacturers I've talked to don't see a dip in sales. Realize that almost all high end mechs that are cloned, the originals are almost always sold out at every vendor.

 

[Vapor Vinny]

Let it be noted that most manufacturers I've talked to don't see a dip in sales. Realize that almost all high end mechs that are cloned, the originals are almost always sold out at every vendor.

You're kidding right? Ha Ha. Nice logic there. "We're back ordered...Can't keep up with all the orders for this here microstick...please, Mr. Chinese guy, could you clone some up so everyone wanting one can get one?...We don't expect any money or anything, we love putting in years of labor and taking all the development risk so that you, Mr. Chinese guy, can make all the profit".

Dude...nevermind...I'll bite my tongue

 

[Topacka]

You're kidding right? Ha Ha. Nice logic there. "We're back ordered...Can't keep up with all the orders for this here microstick...please, Mr. Chinese guy, could you clone some up so everyone wanting one can get one?...We don't expect any money or anything, we love putting in years of labor and taking all the development risk so that you, Mr. Chinese guy, can make all the profit".

Dude...nevermind...I'll bite my tongue

I didn't say they asked for their products to be cloned, I said it didn't effect their sales. If they can't keep their product on the shelves because it gets sold out as soon as it gets there, and they're still losing money, that's their fault, not the cloners.

This is not an endorsement for clones, it's an observation based on factual information.

 

[Nikkita6]

**sigh** And to think this thread was just 3 days from being auto-locked by the forum software.

 

[revco]

Thanks to whomever revived this thread as I might not have found it, I was wondering about this. Have been thinking about placing an order for some things I could decidedly wait on, but was kind of concerned about the knock off potential. I'm inclined to agree that it's going through wholesale shell companies. I'll look over the popular FT thread for what people are buying.

 

[Topacka]

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Customers who buy clones aren't usually in the market for a genuine piece, but that's besides the point. Think of Rolex, but on a smaller scale in all aspects, folex's aren't damaging Rolex's sales, because people who want the real thing aren't going to buy a fake one and pretend it's real.

The point is, if a supplier can't keep up with demand because their genuine product is so popular that they sell every batch right off the bat, it is, by definition not hurting their sales, because they're selling everything.

Now, most clone sales are designated as such and the merchant is usually honest that they're selling a clone and that's why it's so cheap. The problem arises when manufacturers are trying to pass off the clones as originals, that's fraudulent and ends up being bad for the designer, because it tarnishes their reputation.

 

[Vapor Vinny]

Customers who buy clones aren't usually in the market for a genuine piece, but that's besides the point. Think of Rolex, but on a smaller scale in all aspects, folex's aren't damaging Rolex's sales, because people who want the real thing aren't going to buy a fake one and pretend it's real.

The point is, if a supplier can't keep up with demand because their genuine product is so popular that they sell every batch right off the bat, it is, by definition not hurting their sales, because they're selling everything.

Now, most clone sales are designated as such and the merchant is usually honest that they're selling a clone and that's why it's so cheap. The problem arises when manufacturers are trying to pass off the clones as originals, that's fraudulent and ends up being bad for the designer, because it tarnishes their reputation.

I'm sure you've learned a lot in the whole month you've been posting here, but you know, I know several of the people who created the products now being cloned. Others posted here for years, getting feedback and development ideas from people on this forum. So, you know, that's how I know you ain't talking to manufacturers who are telling you that these clones ain't cutting into their sales. Not that even if you were correct that would be a justification for someone's thievery. The only FACT, that has been stated in you and I's discussion is what I said in the first place. Fasttech are either thieves, or doing the bidding of thieves. You can rationalize your purchase of stolen property from them if you want, whatever makes you feel better, but at least have the stones to call it what it is.

 

[KenD]

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The manufacturers discussed here who have issued statements (KSD, Innokin, did I miss someone?) are not small manufacturers, their statements have not revolved so much around fasttech selling copies as FT not being an authorized dealer (selling at prices than the minimum set by the manufacturer) - very different from claiming them to sell fakes, and I think they're all Chinese companies. Vamo is more of a general model/design with no one authentic manufacturer and I've seen no conclusive evidence of any Innokin products ever having been cloned.

Mechs are a different matter. Small manufacturers and the demand greatly exceeds supply. As stocks sell out quickly they aren't loosing any money on clones being sold, but saying that isn't the same as saying that manufacturing and selling clones is ok. I'm not voicing any opinion on that matter, but I will say that (almost) all tube mech mods are variations of the same very basic design. Not much in the way of technical variation/innovation, mostly variation in aesthetics.

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[retired1]

Regardless of ones stance on clones, copies, counterfeits, etc., the discussions here will remain civil without attacking the person posting.

 

[LucentShadow]

There's no way that everyone will agree on the morality of competing businesses, and where to draw the line on product resemblance.

Many countries try to offer some 'copy protection'. Businesses find their way around them, anyway, by making slight changes to the original. Some countries don't much seem to care about going through the motions.

Absolutes don't work, usually. As an example: If any competitor makes a product similar to an existing one, they are taking business away from the 'original creator'. So what if their product suits some better than the original does? They still did not come up with the original idea, only made a slight change to it. It can be argued that they are stealing income, as well, though it is the accepted way of many countries to do business.

This is not really what this thread is about, anyway. I don't buy from fastech, and don't really care if anybody else does, though.

 

[lesborda]

Just a note on "buyer beware" because I was NOT when I 1st began buying from FT. I thought I had bought a Seigeli Zmax for a very good price. It arrived, not a single Seigeli marking on the box or the device. It was garbage, very poor trigger button it would run away constantly after about 2 months. It's been buried. I learned the hard way to make sure the manufacturers name is displayed at FT, I assumed and we all know what assume means I was the ... LOL.