ty... I remember reading that and I know it's not a 4 amp. Also I never turn my vape off anyway, so I don't think the 6 button low power issue will matter to me. If I do want something portable in my pocket my Kgo is what I would be using. Would be nice if this didn't happen though, but I feel I could always be waiting for the next upgrade to appear. This will be my around the house vape and I think this will suit me fine.
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ty... I remember reading that and I know it's not a 4 amp. Also I never turn my vape off anyway, so I don't think the 6 button low power issue will matter to me. If I do want something portable in my pocket my Kgo is what I would be using. Would be nice if this didn't happen though, but I feel I could always be waiting for the next upgrade to appear. This will be my around the house vape and I think this will suit me fine.
Perfect. Just wanted to make sure you had eyes wide open, and were aware some of them are different specs than advertised. And yeah, I never turn mine off, either. lol Sounds like you'll be all set, then! I know both 2000mah 18650 AW IMR (can also check around for pricing, but rtd tends to be pretty solid) *NEW* AW IMR 18650 2000 mAh and the 18650 ICR panasonic batteries (w free shipping at Batteries-Chargers-Flashlights-PC gear-Only The Best or few bucks shipping and lower cost at carolina vapers, I believe) are the two best batts for em. TRUST me... don't buy the cheap IMRS. MUCH better off with the better batts in terms of overall life. I personally like everything I'm hearing about the Panny ICR, and they're multiple dollars cheaper than the AW. They just last longer... I can't quite figure out why, but that seems to be the general consensus re icr chemistry among serious modders. But those 2 batteries would be a great choice. I'm a big fan of the xtarwp2 II charger, primarily cause it'll charge ANY mod battery you need to charge in the future.. anything under 70mm in length works well. Plus, for $14-19, intelligent charger... can't be beat. Think thats $14 at 310 vapors, and $18 at discount vapers. Those are EXEMPLARY quality safe setup for charging, and you won't run the risk of overheating imrs like you get on cheap non intelligent function chargers that aren't really designed to handle IMR/ICR batts. Sounds like you're just about all set! Will this be your first vv unit? Oh and btw, loads of vid reviews all over youtube telling you why to go that way with batts and chargers. Yell out if you need me to hunt up a link to a few good reviews, though. I've got em all bookmarked somewhere.
OK! I hope I understand this thread and this is the right place for some help.
Real quick, I've been vaping for about seven months but the first six of those were all 808s and cartos; then I joined ECF and found a whole new world. I took the next step with a KGO kit from Hoosiersecig.com and love it. I have added some attys with drip tips for dripping new flavors and a tank for extended vaping. All of these are dual coil and I'm happy with it all.
But, of course, I want to take the next step; a vv mod. Well I noticed Brent at Hoosiers started carrying the LavaTube so I started reading the LT sub-forum. Now I am more confused than ever.
Brent calls his product the V2. But from what I read it must be a V1 or V1.5. He says it is from L-Rider and the pics show metal caps and the 510 connector with a moat (my description.) in chrome. I was planning on buying the tube only and the Panasonic batteries. But again Brent writes this version does not play well with anything dual coil. And he says nothing about extra functions like battery remaining readings or 4A capabilities. I know some of this might have been covered in previous posts but it would take hours that I don't have just to read this thread.
So, to my point. Is Hoosier's LT an old/new version? Would I be smart to buy just the tube for $60 and the Panasonic batteries from the site mentioned earlier in this thread? Would I have to buy all new accesories because I have dual coil everything?
Any responses that would help my confusion would be MOST appreciated. Thanks!
Real quick, I've been vaping for about seven months but the first six of those were all 808s and cartos; then I joined ECF and found a whole new world. I took the next step with a KGO kit from Hoosiersecig.com and love it. I have added some attys with drip tips for dripping new flavors and a tank for extended vaping. All of these are dual coil and I'm happy with it all.
But, of course, I want to take the next step; a vv mod. Well I noticed Brent at Hoosiers started carrying the LavaTube so I started reading the LT sub-forum. Now I am more confused than ever.
Brent calls his product the V2. But from what I read it must be a V1 or V1.5. He says it is from L-Rider and the pics show metal caps and the 510 connector with a moat (my description.) in chrome. I was planning on buying the tube only and the Panasonic batteries. But again Brent writes this version does not play well with anything dual coil. And he says nothing about extra functions like battery remaining readings or 4A capabilities. I know some of this might have been covered in previous posts but it would take hours that I don't have just to read this thread.
So, to my point. Is Hoosier's LT an old/new version? Would I be smart to buy just the tube for $60 and the Panasonic batteries from the site mentioned earlier in this thread? Would I have to buy all new accesories because I have dual coil everything?
Any responses that would help my confusion would be MOST appreciated. Thanks!
Perfect spot for your question. And you can feel free to ask anything here, I may or may not be able to cover what you need. This should be easy, though. Give me about 1/2 hour to check out the hoosier model and see specs, and I'll be back with some info. But for now, you're asking all the right questions. As to the 'dual coil' thing. Nope, not at all. You can use dual coils on any lavatube, but the v1 models really don't play nice with super low res gear, and a whole lotta dual coils are 1.25-1.5ohms, so what that means is lavatubes have sorta gotten a reputation for being non dual coil friendly. This stems from the 2.5amp restriction on the original v1 tubes, which has been raised a bit in subsequent models. A perfect explanation in this is in P Busardo's lavatube review of the original v1 tubes. Your tube, assuming its a v 1.5 or 2 (which I should be able to figure out) will have a highter amp restriction, so this won't be so severe. BUT to play it safe, and since the non lrider tubes are advertised as having a MUCH higher amp restriction than they do, you might wanna take a peek. He'll go over how high you'll actually be able to crank the voltage with every ohm device in a few charts, so that'll give you a solid understanding of how important the amp restriction on a vv unit actually is. It's rather long over half hour, I believe, but totally 'required viewing' for anyone making the leap into vv. Here's the link for that review...
Taste Your Juice | VZ VV Tube Mod (AKA Lavatube) Full vs. Mini Vaping Zone
I will tell you that your restrictions won't be quite so severe with a v 1.5 tube, if that is in fact what you're dealing with. But the issue is not so much 'dual coil' as dual coil with low resistance.
I'll be back in a bit with some info on the tube you're looking at. Oh, and YES>.. you'd be MUCH better served by buying the panny 18650s, that Xtar wp2 II charger, and the tube mod itself other than a kit... your batts and charger will be amazing, last WAY longer between charges and before total batt death, and the charger is a much much safer faster charge for those hi drain batteries. The chargers you get with kits are primarily crud. Not bad to use for short periods, but I had a big scare with imr batts on a cheap trustfire charger. Trust me... totally worth the $14-18 for the good quality intelligent charger, and it'll charge pretty much any mod batt under 70mm, so it should be the only charger you ever need to buy, even if you get different mods in future.
Taste Your Juice | VZ VV Tube Mod (AKA Lavatube) Full vs. Mini Vaping Zone
I will tell you that your restrictions won't be quite so severe with a v 1.5 tube, if that is in fact what you're dealing with. But the issue is not so much 'dual coil' as dual coil with low resistance.
I'll be back in a bit with some info on the tube you're looking at. Oh, and YES>.. you'd be MUCH better served by buying the panny 18650s, that Xtar wp2 II charger, and the tube mod itself other than a kit... your batts and charger will be amazing, last WAY longer between charges and before total batt death, and the charger is a much much safer faster charge for those hi drain batteries. The chargers you get with kits are primarily crud. Not bad to use for short periods, but I had a big scare with imr batts on a cheap trustfire charger. Trust me... totally worth the $14-18 for the good quality intelligent charger, and it'll charge pretty much any mod batt under 70mm, so it should be the only charger you ever need to buy, even if you get different mods in future.
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Okie doke, Videodave... well, Brent isn't making it easy since he doesn't have the specs onsite. But I'm about 99% confident that what you're looking at there is virtually identical to what I have. That's the Lambo, and he's calling it v2 because its in chrome, with the 'ego' connection (that would be the channel you mentioned). So... that has the internals of the V1 lavatube, so it is regulated to a 2.5amp switch. Now if you vape a lot of 1.25 and 1.5ohm dual coils, that may well present a problem, since some of those won't even get out of the 3s voltage wise with that super low res stuff. BUT, if you're vaping 1.7ohm (what I vape) and higher, I'd say you're good with that one. AND not only that, but even if you're vaping 1.5ohm now, you'll be able to move up to 2ohm easily because you'll have the full vv function. 2 should allow you to get in the high 4s voltage wise, off the top of my head. Watching that Phil Busardo vid I gave you the link for will REALLY help you, because it'll tell you exactly how high the 2.5 amp restriction will allow you to vape with your resistance of dual coils. And that's exactly what Brent meant when he said they don't play nice with DCs. A more accurate statement is they don't play nice with low res DCs. HOWEVER.... lemme tell you my experience... I was never quite satisfied with a 3.7ohm device, but I REALLY don't like vaping 6v or even 5v. What I love is a 1.7ohm single coil on my stainless lambo at about 4.4v. Now mine is exactly identical unit to the one you're considering in every way, except the stainless is solid and the chrome is copper plated with chrome. I was determined to get the solid one, but lemme tell you.. chrome is much prettier after a few weeks. Chrome has a rather nice 'blueish' hue to it, whereas the polished stainless casts a sort of 'yellow' light, and darkens considerably with oils and heat. I love the 'solid' hefty feel, and I can tell you from experience that a chrome or stainless tube will 'age' better than a powdercoated one. Powdercoated ones have a few 'tender' spots where they can malfunction... button cracks or falls into unit, and is generally a little problematic, and caps on originals were plastic, so they had a tendency to crack. The solid metal units have dealt with all those issues, and are MUCH sturdier. I've dropped mine on solid slate tile floor at least 10x, with nary an issue aside from a slight burr in the metal finish, which is buffable. They're MUCH prettier, too. I was VERY active in apollo forum when people were getting their chrome and stainless units, and I can tell you, 98% of these suckers just work beautifully. About 2% had problems right out of the gate (which will happen.. there's always lemons in anything mass produced) and were sent in for replacement. Thats considerably higher number that function as intended than the powdercoated tubes seem to get. So... I'm very happy with a 1.7ohm at about 4.4v, pretty much ideal for me, and mid 4s are ideal sweetspot for a ton of vapers. Plus, smoktek (vendor, not the smoketech manufacturer) sells smoketech dual coils in 2, 2.5, 3, 3.5 etc.. so even if you want to vape at 6v, you'll be cool, you'll just have to start getting higher res dual coils. And you will get alllmost up to 6 at 3ohms, but not quite. Have to go to 3.5 to get there. So here's the deal... if that works for you regulation wise (I knew it would with me, cause i knew my sweetspot) then you'll be good. The issue arises with VV vapers who like to push dcs to their absolute max and vape the 1.25ohm at 4.4v... you flat out can't do that with these tubes. They'll let you set your voltage to wherever you like, but the internal electronics will only push 2.5amps max... so it'll say 4.4 on the display, but 'restrict' your voltage to max of 2.5amps. (and that's gonna be somewhere in the mid 3s, I'd guess offhand.. Phil B's vid will tell you exactly. Now its not just lavatube that does it this way.. all tube mods, vv, to my knowledge, have some variety of amp restriction. Provari is 3.5, I believe, but the v1 provari was 2.5 as well. So as long as that won't screw you up, you'll be like me and utterly thrilled with the tube. HOWEVER... in August lrider is coming out with the Chrome tubes in the v3 internals... so that will have an internal ohm meter (tells you the resistance of your atty/carto) and I believe a 4amp switch. There are 'clones' out right now, and a v1.5 from lrider, but none of them are available in the all metal yet, and beyond that, the lrider 1.5s are having issues with low power smoking (!) and the clones seem to be misrepresented by the manufacturers (NOT lrider tubes) and they're being called 3-4 amp, and in reality much much lower with independent testing. The actual LRIDER v3 tube, chrome, with 4amp switch should be out in August. One final thing to consider... www.crystalclearvaping.com is expecting some NON lrider tubes, in chrome within the next month or so.. and they'll likely have an amp restriction slightly higher than the 2.5, and an ohm meter. However.. i really feel strongly that the lrider tubes are a 'known' commodity.. we know how they fail, how they work, and that for the most part, they are sold to the vendors with correct specs. And that is proving NOT to be the case with the knockoffs. So you're probably better either going with the chrome tube with v1 internals now, or waiting till August if you can. It all depends on how seriously that 2.5amp restriction will impede your chosen resistance on your dual coils, though. And that Phil B vid will tell you all about it. BTW, same identical tube you're looking at with hoosier is $10 cheaper at apollo, with a year warranty. Just choose 'chrome' from the dropdown. Photo you're seeing there is NOT of the chrome, but is of the powdercoated one... chrome is $10 addon. So that may be something to consider, as well. Yell out if you need anything, or get confused with the phil b vid, or want to tell exactly what ohm cartos you wanna use (and keep in mind.. its vv. TOTALLY different experience vaping something 2ohm at 4.8v than it is at 3.7v, so don't get too hung up on exactly the resistance you vape right now. Difference in voltage will easily allow you to go up a bit in your ohms, and still be WAAAY more satisfied than you are right now w 3.7v fixed. I'm a pretty 'picky' vaper, and I adore mine.
Rut row... I lied.. the hoosier one is $5 cheaper. HOWEVER... I'd suggest paying the extra $5 ($65 total) to get that extra 11mos warranty with Apollo, personally. Really does matter.
Single Apollo VTube
Yell out if you need anything, get confused, etc. There are a slew of tubes out now, different manufacturers, some are accurate specs wise, some arent... it can get VERY confusing, especially for someone researching vv for the first time. That's what I'm here for. Good luck!
Oh and one more thing.. do me a favor, before you buy at apollo or hoosier, give apollo a ring or a 'contact us' online. I know they've got their stainless tubes discounted by 30% till they run out (and they'll never be made again), and not sure if that applies to the chrome or not. AND not sure if you need to use a coupon code or what, but just wanna make sure you don't miss out on 30% off if its possible.
And lastly... if you do get the chrome.. Pick yourself up a '3.5ml tank cone' at the same time. They're under $3, but you may really want to use it with some of your cartos, depending on how 'tight' or 'loose and airy' the draw is on those particular cartos. The draw on the chrome/stainless 'lambo' version lrider tubes is tending toward the 'airy'... so its perfect for me if I use my smoktech 1.7ohm single coils, because they have a rather tight draw. But if I were using something like a boge carto, I'd want that 3.5ml tank cone in there (slips right into that 'ego' connection channel, so you can barely see it), just to tighten up the draw. My sole blog entry kind of explains that, and will show you what that '3.5ml tank cone' looks like, both on your potential pv and off. You can barely see it at all on there, though. I'm pretty sure you can grab one either at hoosier or apollo. I actually kind of like the 'airy' draw because I'm finding that I'm able to get a few more weeks out of my cartos before they need to be cleaned, since as they're used the draw tends to tighten, and would be too tight with a device with a tighter draw, but they're just fine on the metal tube. Oh, and just for giggles. There was a mistake with my tube, and I got a chrome 'head' and a stainless 'body'... so you can see in the photos the difference between the two colorwise, if you're perhaps interested in the stainless. Either way, it'll show you how they look next to each other. Near identical, but tiny bit different. And mine has now been replaced with an all steel tube, so I know from experience Apollo is solid with customer care. lol
Yell out if you need anything, or get confused with the phil b vid, or want to tell exactly what ohm cartos you wanna use (and keep in mind.. its vv. TOTALLY different experience vaping something 2ohm at 4.8v than it is at 3.7v, so don't get too hung up on exactly the resistance you vape right now. Difference in voltage will easily allow you to go up a bit in your ohms, and still be WAAAY more satisfied than you are right now w 3.7v fixed. I'm a pretty 'picky' vaper, and I adore mine. Rut row... I lied.. the hoosier one is $5 cheaper. HOWEVER... I'd suggest paying the extra $5 ($65 total) to get that extra 11mos warranty with Apollo, personally. Really does matter.
Single Apollo VTube
Yell out if you need anything, get confused, etc. There are a slew of tubes out now, different manufacturers, some are accurate specs wise, some arent... it can get VERY confusing, especially for someone researching vv for the first time. That's what I'm here for. Good luck!
Oh and one more thing.. do me a favor, before you buy at apollo or hoosier, give apollo a ring or a 'contact us' online. I know they've got their stainless tubes discounted by 30% till they run out (and they'll never be made again), and not sure if that applies to the chrome or not. AND not sure if you need to use a coupon code or what, but just wanna make sure you don't miss out on 30% off if its possible.
And lastly... if you do get the chrome.. Pick yourself up a '3.5ml tank cone' at the same time. They're under $3, but you may really want to use it with some of your cartos, depending on how 'tight' or 'loose and airy' the draw is on those particular cartos. The draw on the chrome/stainless 'lambo' version lrider tubes is tending toward the 'airy'... so its perfect for me if I use my smoktech 1.7ohm single coils, because they have a rather tight draw. But if I were using something like a boge carto, I'd want that 3.5ml tank cone in there (slips right into that 'ego' connection channel, so you can barely see it), just to tighten up the draw. My sole blog entry kind of explains that, and will show you what that '3.5ml tank cone' looks like, both on your potential pv and off. You can barely see it at all on there, though. I'm pretty sure you can grab one either at hoosier or apollo. I actually kind of like the 'airy' draw because I'm finding that I'm able to get a few more weeks out of my cartos before they need to be cleaned, since as they're used the draw tends to tighten, and would be too tight with a device with a tighter draw, but they're just fine on the metal tube. Oh, and just for giggles. There was a mistake with my tube, and I got a chrome 'head' and a stainless 'body'... so you can see in the photos the difference between the two colorwise, if you're perhaps interested in the stainless. Either way, it'll show you how they look next to each other. Near identical, but tiny bit different. And mine has now been replaced with an all steel tube, so I know from experience Apollo is solid with customer care. lol
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Hey, I'm looking for a few suggestions on a charger. I'd like it to be able to charge 18650s at the very least, others would be a big bonus. I don't want to pay a fortune, but don't want another piece of junk like the one that came with my kit. I've had a couple of suggestions from another thread, but would like to hear a few more thoughts.
rofl... Well my vote is for the XtarWP2 II charger. Here's a killer review. LOVE mine. Cheapest right now at 310 vapers ($14, i think, which is nuts cause its a $25 charger). You can charge anything under 70MM in length. I use it personally for 14500 w and without button top, 18350s (now these require two spacers which come with the kit. Need 2 spacers EACH, though, so if you use 18350s or other very 'short' mod batteries, do yourself a favor and add on 2 extra spacers at 310 for $1 total), 18500s (I use 1 spacer, but that's just preference, not necessary), and 18650s. So basically, this will work with any mod batt I've ever heard of. Killer charger, intelligent function, so you don't get that super hot dangerously overcharged batt thing which can happen with the cheaper chargers. Works great for regular 'protected' batteries, and also the hi drain IMR and ICR (like the panasonic 18650 everyone is raving about). Works on flat top or button top, but I do find if I'm doing flat top, I like the feel (its just snappier and a little tighter) with some batteries with one spacer in place. Not necessary with 18650s in flat or button, though. Put simply, this is the best charger you can buy second only to a $50 pila. Here's a review, and you can read more about them at candlepower (a hobbyist website). I did a TON of research as to which charger to buy because I don't know much about batt saftety, so wanted to get lots of opinions from those who are specialists in batteries/chargers. I heard Xtar WP2 II about 15x in a row, and have been thrilled with mine.
XTAR WPII Battery Charger - YouTube
btw, comes with a car adapter and a few other cool gizmos, and if you have a battery IN the charger, you can even charge something via usb, like a passthrough or an ego. Kinda handy, esp if you travel a bunch. Let me know if you end up grabbing one of these though, cause there are a few things I'd explain that the odd little 'lost in translation' manual will have you scratching your head over. lol
btw, the ONLY person I've ever heard who doesn't like this charger is Andrew at CCV. His objection to it is that it requires spacers for some batteries, but they screw right in, not like they're just loose in there. And my counter to that argument is yeah... but it charges ANYTHING under 70mm, perfectly. lol I got rid of 5 different chargers that came with kits to charge a specific size battery when I got mine. Andrew touts a new trustfire charger that he has at CCV. In all honesty, I've NOT researched that one yet. But I'll tell ya, I had a trustfire go nuclear on me, and I don't care if they're talking about intelligent function or not.. Trustfire makes decent inexpensive chargers for standard old protected batteries, but they tend to short with IMRs and dangerously overcharge. I'd wait till there were EXTENSIVE positive reviews on a charger that had been on the market for ages before I'd trust intelligent function to a trustfire, but that's just me. But did wanna be honest... I've heard about 80 positive reviews on the Xtar WP2 II and one negative, and Andrew was the one negative. lol I agree with him about the VAST majority of things, but when it comes to chargers, thinking we'll agree to disagree. lol
Ok, so www.310vapers.com is down right now, but Im having iffy internet service at the moment. You'd get the 'XTAR WP2 II' charger, and 2 extra 'spacers' in a separate listing for 50c each. If you search those quoted terms, you'll have no issues finding it. Sorry, I like to give links, but the gods of the interwebitudes are not cooperating right now.
Here's a review, and you can read more about them at candlepower (a hobbyist website). I did a TON of research as to which charger to buy because I don't know much about batt saftety, so wanted to get lots of opinions from those who are specialists in batteries/chargers. I heard Xtar WP2 II about 15x in a row, and have been thrilled with mine. XTAR WPII Battery Charger - YouTube
btw, comes with a car adapter and a few other cool gizmos, and if you have a battery IN the charger, you can even charge something via usb, like a passthrough or an ego. Kinda handy, esp if you travel a bunch. Let me know if you end up grabbing one of these though, cause there are a few things I'd explain that the odd little 'lost in translation' manual will have you scratching your head over. lol
btw, the ONLY person I've ever heard who doesn't like this charger is Andrew at CCV. His objection to it is that it requires spacers for some batteries, but they screw right in, not like they're just loose in there. And my counter to that argument is yeah... but it charges ANYTHING under 70mm, perfectly. lol I got rid of 5 different chargers that came with kits to charge a specific size battery when I got mine. Andrew touts a new trustfire charger that he has at CCV. In all honesty, I've NOT researched that one yet. But I'll tell ya, I had a trustfire go nuclear on me, and I don't care if they're talking about intelligent function or not.. Trustfire makes decent inexpensive chargers for standard old protected batteries, but they tend to short with IMRs and dangerously overcharge. I'd wait till there were EXTENSIVE positive reviews on a charger that had been on the market for ages before I'd trust intelligent function to a trustfire, but that's just me. But did wanna be honest... I've heard about 80 positive reviews on the Xtar WP2 II and one negative, and Andrew was the one negative. lol I agree with him about the VAST majority of things, but when it comes to chargers, thinking we'll agree to disagree. lol
Ok, so www.310vapers.com is down right now, but Im having iffy internet service at the moment. You'd get the 'XTAR WP2 II' charger, and 2 extra 'spacers' in a separate listing for 50c each. If you search those quoted terms, you'll have no issues finding it. Sorry, I like to give links, but the gods of the interwebitudes are not cooperating right now.
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I am considering the MVari from myvaporstore.com. Anybody have any experience with this one or heard any good or bad?
Thanks!!
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I can peek at the Mvari for ya. Give me a few hours, if you would.
And if 310 isn't working, next best price (still ridiculous good deal) is DiscountVapers - Your source for savings on electronic cigarettes and accessories, Go-go eGo, vGo
Xtar WP2 II Charger
He also has a killer price on the twist for $23 (like if you need a cheap backup) killer deal on the V8, which is a tiny little vv boxmod (not ugly like most, but nice and curvy and ergonomic) about the size of a credit card., and not bad prices on batteries if you need some. I theenk he carries AW, and has the panny on order, but they're taking forever. Also, great place to look at the new clearotanks that are out.. he's got a good 15 varieties of them, and esp if yo're a newish vaper, Eric explains good AND bad about his products in descriptions. So its a 0 blowing sunshine kind of place. He'll describe stuff warts and all if you're looking for new stuff to try.
And if 310 isn't working, next best price (still ridiculous good deal) is DiscountVapers - Your source for savings on electronic cigarettes and accessories, Go-go eGo, vGo
Xtar WP2 II Charger
He also has a killer price on the twist for $23 (like if you need a cheap backup) killer deal on the V8, which is a tiny little vv boxmod (not ugly like most, but nice and curvy and ergonomic) about the size of a credit card., and not bad prices on batteries if you need some. I theenk he carries AW, and has the panny on order, but they're taking forever. Also, great place to look at the new clearotanks that are out.. he's got a good 15 varieties of them, and esp if yo're a newish vaper, Eric explains good AND bad about his products in descriptions. So its a 0 blowing sunshine kind of place. He'll describe stuff warts and all if you're looking for new stuff to try.
K... that's just a plain old v1 powdercoated lavatube. 2 suggestions. You can get it at exactly the same price, I believe, with Apollo, and they give you a year warranty instead of the 30 days on the myvaporstore one. Trust me... with the powdercoated one, you really NEED that year warranty, because a few things tend to break over time with them. Second, I know apollo is running a 30% off special on their stainless steel tubes, and they'd be much more durable, so you may want to compare prices. You may well be able to get a stainless one, solid at a very similar price, and that would be a much more durable unit over time. Lets put it this way.... I wouldn't be surprised if my stainless was still working in 2-3 years, but that would surprise me with the powdercoated ones. So if you plan to upgrade to a buzzpro or provari or something, not such an issue to get powdercoated one. But if you have the choice, in similar price range, you're way better off with the stainless. AND I know for sure you can get the chrome for a $10 upcharge.. that's what I'd do if the stainless cost isn't further 30% off the price listed. And then you have a 1 year warranty no matter what.
Here's the tube itself (also available in a kit, but you may want to read what I wrote in post #324 about the kit)
Here's what chrome looks like.. you can see its just way durable... DEFINITELY worth a $10 upcharge.
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And single tube... this shows the silver powdercoated one (also have black and red), but if you choose chrome, it'll look just like the photo above.
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You betcha! Hope it helped. BTW, any idea what sort of cartos/attys you'd want to use? Only restriction with those is they have a 2.5 amp restriction (doesn't bother vast majority of vapers, but will bother you if you want to vape low res stuff at really high voltages). Honestly, when you're new to vv that's a bad idea anyway, cause you'll just pop a bunch of attys and cartos. lol But did want to make sure you were aware of it. I explain that restriction in a LOT more detail, and which cartos are likely to be too low, and a link to a vid that explains all of that on page 33 of this thread (one page back) if you wanna check for sure that it won't bother you. Most new vv vapers, and a lot of veterans, doesn't matter much at all.
I would have to second the amp restriction on the V1 lava tube. I've had mine over a month and rarely push it past 4v. That's when I'm using cartos 1.5-2.3 ohm. Not sure what wattage I'm running at that point - too lazy to figure that out! What I do know is it is a satisfying vape! I do find if I'm using higer resistance cartos I do push it higher - occasionally to the top . Overall though, the restriction doesn't bother me. I see it as a good thing, then I'm not popping coils every time I want to push the volts a bit!
. Overall though, the restriction doesn't bother me. I see it as a good thing, then I'm not popping coils every time I want to push the volts a bit!
orachel, WOW! Thank you so much for taking the time to research and write your answer to my questions. I haven't had time to watch P Busardo's review video yet but hope to get to it tonight. While I understand your explanation completely my only questions now are wether it makes sense for me to wait for the new (V3?) tube because of the res. meter and the ability to use my low res (1.5 ohm DC) cartos. My thinking on the low res cartos is that if I wait for the new tube it will probably be time to replace cartos anyway. So it basically comes down to the resistance meter on the new tube. I will probably not be able to wait as I'm excited about the prospect of getting a vv mod already. I'll let you know what I decide and see if I have anymore questions after watching the video. Thanks again for your time.
Thanks for the information. The first cartomizers I have used I found at smoke anywhere for pennies. 510 Cartomizers (empty) - Smoke Anywhere For Penny's, LLC Store . I am not going to use a tank for a while until I find a juice I really like. I also looked at these: Kanger 510 Cartomizer - 5 Pack
Videodave... if you're super 'into' vaping those low res dual coils, you may well want to wait. Get yourself a $23 twist at DiscountVapers or something to get you over the hump. I'd love to have that unit when it comes out, for sure, just because that resistance meter is pretty cool, and every once in a while I'd like to push it a little more than 2.5amp restriction can provide. Not often though. BUT if you think you'd be just as happy with a 2ohm dual coil, and you're dying to get into vv, you might just want to leap... totally up to you. I will tell you... lol I don't know many vv vapers who have only one unit after a year or so, so even if you get the Chrome or stainless tube now, nothing saying you cant get a newer model at sometime in the future. Everyone needs at least one backup. lol
And Vanillayo.... Yeah, you can definitely get a fantastic vaping experience out of 510 filler cartos with even that device you're looking at. The version 1 internals device. No problem. As a general rule, those generic 510 cartos aren't horrible, but you'd likely be much more satisfied with Boge 2.0ohm - 3.0ohm cartos, or a 1.7ohm smoketech resurrector/rejuvinator (all are single coil)... and really about the same pricewise, as well. I notice that the performance is just better with those two particular manufacturers of 510 cartos, and they last MUCH longer, based on my own experiences. But beyond my experience, these two brands just make a better 'filler' 510 carto, quality and experience wise, than anyone else. That's sort of considered fact. You can get any of these by the single at Welcome to SmokTek, LLC - The Better Smoking Alternative - Your source for personal vaporizers, e-cig supplies and e-liquids, or you can get 5 packs. And the best way, once you figure out what you like most is to buy them in 15packs at Crystal Clear Vaping since they always have free shipping, and you get a free driptip and a much better value by 15 pack. The boge 2s, offhand those will be solid in a vv unit with 2.5amp restriction up to very high 4s (again, that P busardo video on previous page will give you exact limits), and with the 3.0ohm boge, you can get up to about 5.8v or so. My fave is the 1.7ohm, at about 4.3v-4.4v. I find the intentisity and throat hit on that combo to be better than a boge 3 pushing close to 6v. But all 3 are VERY popular choices. Nothing wrong with the kangers... they're almost identical to the boge, I do think boge are way cheaper and easier to find, though. So my suggestion would be next time you need cartos, go to Welcome to SmokTek, LLC - The Better Smoking Alternative - Your source for personal vaporizers, e-cig supplies and e-liquids and get 2 each of the boge 2.0, 3.0, smoketech 1.7 (all in single coil), and perhaps a smoketech dual coil in about a 2.5ohm... then mark each of those (so you know which is which) and watch the Phil Busardo lavatube review, and set them at the appropriate voltage, and then you'll, very inexpensively, know exactly which you prefer, and can start buying them by the 15 at CCV w free shipping and free tips. BUT if you try all of those, those are the full gamut of the most popular carto choices, filler carto wise, on these devices. And purchased 2 each in singles, its very reasonable to do, and if you happen to dislike one of the options, you're not left with a whole lot of extra ones you don't like hanging around. lol I will say, though... I've used a few makers 'generic' 510... I love all of the above WAAY more than the generics, so you might REALLY be surprised by the performance.
And the sizes are a little different.... smoktech 'regular' cartos are the dual coil carto size... those long ones.. hold more juice. BUT they also come in a 'junior' which is the size of a regular 510 carto, as well as a super shorty (at other vendors, smoktek, madvapes, litecigusa) that's HALF that size. I love all 3 of those sizes, but might just prefer the 'super shorty' which is half the size of a regular 510/boge carto.
Now Boge 'regular' is the same size of the one you have there... the generic 510 carto size, but they're also available in an XL, which is a 'dual coil carto' size. Both work great.
So an XL sized boge equals the size of the regular sized smoktech cartos. A 'regular' boge or a smoktech 'junior' equals the size of what you're vaping right now... a standard 510 filler carto.
Here's a few links...
to buy singles... Welcome to SmokTek, LLC - The Better Smoking Alternative - Your source for personal vaporizers, e-cig supplies and e-liquids or Welcome to MadVapes LLC
To buy 5 packs and 15 packs... Crystal Clear Vaping (5 packs are in '510 cartos' section)
Boge 2 or 3 ohm (or you can mix and match) in standard 510 size... 15 pack, $19.90 and free shipping (AFTER shipping, your generics cost more than these amazing cartos)
Crystal Clear Vaping
Boge 2 or 3 ohm XL
http://www.crystalclearvaping.com/3-BOX-BUNDLE-DEAL-510-BOGE-50MM-XL-20-30-ohm-STAIN
Smoktech 1.7ohm single coil 'resurrector/rejuvinator' regular 'dual coil carto' size, or in junior 510 carto size. These work out to almost exactly what you're paying now, after free shipping, and they are outstanding.
Crystal Clear Vaping
And feel free to yell out if you have a hard time finding the corresponding singles to try. But I'd be amazed if everyone didn't agree that all of these options will give you much longer life and vastly better experience than the generics, and they're as inexpensive or more inexpensive, so worth a shot. lol Now you will pay a little more each to try the singles, but you're only buying maybe 2 of each carto. Also, I've never gotten a single DOA carto (dead on arrival) from crystalclear or smoktek, so you'll have way less of a dud factor, too. Oh, and if you wanna try a single dual coil smoktech carto... I was thinking the 2.5ohm. Our member apuck here SWEARS by the 2.0ohm single coils by smoktech as well, so that would be a great one to try. You can buy those at smoktek.com vendor, but the 2.0ohm single coils aren't carried at CCV. Having a few different cartos with different ohms is the only way to find your 'sweetspot' on a vv unit, so 'trial' of a few singles is the perfect way to experience that.
And Vanillayo.... Yeah, you can definitely get a fantastic vaping experience out of 510 filler cartos with even that device you're looking at. The version 1 internals device. No problem. As a general rule, those generic 510 cartos aren't horrible, but you'd likely be much more satisfied with Boge 2.0ohm - 3.0ohm cartos, or a 1.7ohm smoketech resurrector/rejuvinator (all are single coil)... and really about the same pricewise, as well. I notice that the performance is just better with those two particular manufacturers of 510 cartos, and they last MUCH longer, based on my own experiences. But beyond my experience, these two brands just make a better 'filler' 510 carto, quality and experience wise, than anyone else. That's sort of considered fact. You can get any of these by the single at Welcome to SmokTek, LLC - The Better Smoking Alternative - Your source for personal vaporizers, e-cig supplies and e-liquids, or you can get 5 packs. And the best way, once you figure out what you like most is to buy them in 15packs at Crystal Clear Vaping since they always have free shipping, and you get a free driptip and a much better value by 15 pack. The boge 2s, offhand those will be solid in a vv unit with 2.5amp restriction up to very high 4s (again, that P busardo video on previous page will give you exact limits), and with the 3.0ohm boge, you can get up to about 5.8v or so. My fave is the 1.7ohm, at about 4.3v-4.4v. I find the intentisity and throat hit on that combo to be better than a boge 3 pushing close to 6v. But all 3 are VERY popular choices. Nothing wrong with the kangers... they're almost identical to the boge, I do think boge are way cheaper and easier to find, though. So my suggestion would be next time you need cartos, go to Welcome to SmokTek, LLC - The Better Smoking Alternative - Your source for personal vaporizers, e-cig supplies and e-liquids and get 2 each of the boge 2.0, 3.0, smoketech 1.7 (all in single coil), and perhaps a smoketech dual coil in about a 2.5ohm... then mark each of those (so you know which is which) and watch the Phil Busardo lavatube review, and set them at the appropriate voltage, and then you'll, very inexpensively, know exactly which you prefer, and can start buying them by the 15 at CCV w free shipping and free tips. BUT if you try all of those, those are the full gamut of the most popular carto choices, filler carto wise, on these devices. And purchased 2 each in singles, its very reasonable to do, and if you happen to dislike one of the options, you're not left with a whole lot of extra ones you don't like hanging around. lol I will say, though... I've used a few makers 'generic' 510... I love all of the above WAAY more than the generics, so you might REALLY be surprised by the performance.
And the sizes are a little different.... smoktech 'regular' cartos are the dual coil carto size... those long ones.. hold more juice. BUT they also come in a 'junior' which is the size of a regular 510 carto, as well as a super shorty (at other vendors, smoktek, madvapes, litecigusa) that's HALF that size. I love all 3 of those sizes, but might just prefer the 'super shorty' which is half the size of a regular 510/boge carto.
Now Boge 'regular' is the same size of the one you have there... the generic 510 carto size, but they're also available in an XL, which is a 'dual coil carto' size. Both work great.
So an XL sized boge equals the size of the regular sized smoktech cartos.
A 'regular' boge or a smoktech 'junior' equals the size of what you're vaping right now... a standard 510 filler carto.Here's a few links...
to buy singles... Welcome to SmokTek, LLC - The Better Smoking Alternative - Your source for personal vaporizers, e-cig supplies and e-liquids or Welcome to MadVapes LLC
To buy 5 packs and 15 packs... Crystal Clear Vaping (5 packs are in '510 cartos' section)
Boge 2 or 3 ohm (or you can mix and match) in standard 510 size... 15 pack, $19.90 and free shipping (AFTER shipping, your generics cost more than these amazing cartos)
Crystal Clear Vaping
Boge 2 or 3 ohm XL
http://www.crystalclearvaping.com/3-BOX-BUNDLE-DEAL-510-BOGE-50MM-XL-20-30-ohm-STAIN
Smoktech 1.7ohm single coil 'resurrector/rejuvinator' regular 'dual coil carto' size, or in junior 510 carto size. These work out to almost exactly what you're paying now, after free shipping, and they are outstanding.
Crystal Clear Vaping
And feel free to yell out if you have a hard time finding the corresponding singles to try. But I'd be amazed if everyone didn't agree that all of these options will give you much longer life and vastly better experience than the generics, and they're as inexpensive or more inexpensive, so worth a shot. lol Now you will pay a little more each to try the singles, but you're only buying maybe 2 of each carto. Also, I've never gotten a single DOA carto (dead on arrival) from crystalclear or smoktek, so you'll have way less of a dud factor, too.
Oh, and if you wanna try a single dual coil smoktech carto... I was thinking the 2.5ohm. Our member apuck here SWEARS by the 2.0ohm single coils by smoktech as well, so that would be a great one to try. You can buy those at smoktek.com vendor, but the 2.0ohm single coils aren't carried at CCV. Having a few different cartos with different ohms is the only way to find your 'sweetspot' on a vv unit, so 'trial' of a few singles is the perfect way to experience that.
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I cannot purchase anything from the CCV website. I have opened a ticket without a response. Seems that the last few days using 4 different credit cards they get declined. I have also had my bank flag my account since I was trying to make a purchase online that was declined.
Oh man, that is such a bummer.. Never heard of that before! Well I will tell you, might be worth a call to Andrew at CCV, and if that doesn't work out, then try Welcome to SmokTek, LLC - The Better Smoking Alternative - Your source for personal vaporizers, e-cig supplies and e-liquids and Welcome to MadVapes LLC for prices on what you want. I notice that smoktek seems to be cheaper since you get a volume discount. I just got 15 of the supershorty 1.7ohm single coils because CCV doesn't
sell em. Worked out slightly more, maybe $3 for 15, but was worth it to me to get the size I wanted. I know JUST what a bummer that is, because I use a debit card that flat out won't work at some sites... total pain in the tail. Good luck!
sell em.
Worked out slightly more, maybe $3 for 15, but was worth it to me to get the size I wanted. I know JUST what a bummer that is, because I use a debit card that flat out won't work at some sites... total pain in the tail. Good luck!
You know, I just realized... I referred to the Panasonic 18650 batt as an ICR and that's totally inaccurate. Just me screwing up acronyms. The Panny 18650 everyone is talking about is a CGR battery, NOT an icr.
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