Learned to crawl... now I want to walk!!

[Kewldood]

Hello ECF- My name is RJ and I've been a vapr for a few months. Been using the Halo G6 on the go and a usb passthru that uses the same cartos at home. As you might imagine- this sucks! I don't like the weak batteries that the G6 uses as they don't hit well and honestly only feel (mildly) satisfied when using the passthru. So I'm ready to take the next step, which really would be my first step. Glad to be vaping instead of smoking and don't want these frustrations to boil over into a relapse so plz plz plz help me...

I saw this Kgo and it might be perfect for me and need your input (sorry I don't know how to insert abbreviated links yet)

KGO and eGo USB Pass-Through with 1000mAh Battery - $22.95

Like it because it will work as a passthru, and will simultaneously charge so I can unplug and go when needed. Also it's relatively inexpensive so it will buy me some time to lurk around the forum until I decide on a better setup. Has anyone tried this unit, and if so will the usb work with the kgo wall plug-in/car charger to power the unit when away from the computer? The one I'm referring to is on the same site and comes with the kgo kit. It has listed all the voltage info but I can't tell if they're compatible.

Finally, is there any online dealers that would be recommended for ego/kgo units over NWvapors? Or just a good go-to site in general that carries a good intermediate to advanced lineup of products?

Thanks in advance- RJ

 

[Flyer]

Welcome aboard Kewldood! Most of my buying has been at a local vape shop. The on-line buys I've made will probably not help you much. There are several on-line vendors whose names are referred to frequently- crystal clear vapors, madvapes, etc. I know others here will jump in with good recommendations. In the meantime, check these out.

 

[Kewldood]

Also I've never used a 3-piece so please advise if the kgo cartomizers would also need an atomizer in-line. These are the ones I'm ordering-

Echo E Dual Coil Cartomizer for 510, EGO, or KGO battery. - $3.50

CE4 Clear Cartomizer (Clearomizer) for EGO and KGO - $6.50

Besides for the passthru battery & wall charger, do I need anything else in addition to these cartos?

 

[NancyR]

hi and welcome, I don't know the kgo but I have seen it suggested many times for people just starting out, I do have a pass through and love using it, but you do want to get a second battery even with a pass through.

 

[Flyer]

The cartomizers you listed all have built-in atomizers so you won't need to buy anything extra and they would work fine on a Kgo battery. If you go with the Kgo (a 3.7 V battery), don't get a HR cart. Something around a 2.0 ohm should work very well.

 

[sailorman]

Skip the Dual coil cartomizer and get some 1.7ohm Smoketech "Resurrector" or Boge 2ohm SINGLE coil cartomizers. They work much better on a kGo.
the CE4 is a good clearomizer, but you should try to get the version 2 as they are improved.

Neither cartomizers or clearomizers require an atomizer. I recommend an atomizer to taste juice to know if it's worth filling a cartomizer with. You can't mix flavors in a cartomizer.

I also recommend a second battery, even with a USB. Nothing will send you back to analogs faster than a dead battery.

KGos are good PVs and a good next step from the G6. I would suggest, however, that you get a kit with two 1100mah batteries. These will last you a good 8-10 hours and you can use them in rotation. They'll cost a few bucks more, but they're worth it. You dont need a passthrough if your battery's big enough. If a battery takes 3 hours to charge and 8-10 hours to drain, what good is a passthrough?

If you want to take a larger next step, Apolloecigs.com has a 30% off sale "vtube30" on their Lavatube full kit. It's a newbie friendly variable voltage PV that you can get for just over $50 with free shipping. It'll come with 2 batteries, charger and a year warranty. All you'd need is a box of cartomizers and juice. This is the best deal on Lavatubes I've seen in quite a while. Vocano is asking $100 for the same chrome and brass unit Apollo has for $60.

 

[artt]

Welcome! If the kgo is a 3.7 device you might check out the "Ressurector" 1.7 ohm cartos from Crystal Clear Vaping. Great price on a three box purchase and perform really well. It's basically all I use now.

 

[Kewldood]

Nice thanks for the tips! Sailorman I was thinking the same thing when I saw the battery rating for the kgo. It has triple the juice as my current pv and certainly would cover my needs. However I do use my current passthru quite a bit and guess it can't hurt to own as a backup, and while I'm excited for the improvements that this forum will bring to my ecig routine don't want to get too far from my comfort zone and 'rock the boat' as they might say in sailor lingo =)

I'm going to check out all these links and will surely be back with some Q's. Thx again

 

[Kewldood]

I just found www.vapingguides.com - all other wknd projects are officially in hiatus!! I want to thank you guys for presenting me with options beyond what I had asked about bc otherwise wouldn't have sniffed around for more info. I've also been looking through the thread on here where people post their gear and setups to get a feel for what other vapers prefer to use. I usually get carried away with toys and gadgets and am hoping that I can find something to fit my needs without breaking the bank bc the last thing I need a new hobby...unless these fancy ecigs also double as a pen so I could sign my sure to follow divorce papers haha.

Ok so I'm off to research this further but do have a quick Q while I have you guys on the line- bottom line what do I need? I vape for about 4 hours each afternoon and then maybe 2 hours at night. There are ofcouse runs of 20-40 puffs spread out throughout as well, both on the go and sitting still. The passthru has been great for me during the longer blocks, but the reason I'm shopping around is that the G6 hasn't been cutting it when I don't have access to a usb port. It doesn't hold a charge for very long and feels like I'm pulling air bc it's a weak delivery in general. I'm sure we'll all agree that I need a more robust device, but I'm not convinced that I need all the bells and whistles. Honestly I would prefer something less heavy duty (for lack of a better word) since I do puff while playing video games or working around the kitchen- basically I've made a habit of having my pv blazing while I have my hands full. So obviously any manual device will make that difficult, but I'm willing to compromise there if it's still fairly easy to use. Also I don't understand what the deal is with the vv units like the lavatube mentioned earlier... guess I'm wondering if it comes in handy after you've found that "sweet spot". Does it enable a bigger hit, or more nicotine delivery, or what?

So now that ya'll know a bit more about my needs is there any particular options that come to mind? Btw I've held off on my purchase until I've determined what I want to get and also don't want to waste money on lesser products if I'm inevitably going to settle on a more expensive one. I looked at the high end Provari units and $200 is a stretch for me, but certainly would be willing to splurge a little to get something that will ultimately be more satisfying. Thanks again for taking the time to help me and hope everyone has a nice weekend!

 

[Kay1959]

If you want to 'puff' hands free, then you'll have to have an automatic battery. BUT the BIG downside of that is battery life and a very less than desirable PV. The only PV's available with automatic batteries are the mini ecigs, like what you have now.
There are different classes of PV's. The step up from the cig look alikes are the KGO, E-Power.(These have less bells and whistles then the next steps and are smaller, lighter weight, than the next steps)
The next step up are things like the Lavatube. The next step is variable voltage APV's like the Provari. And the last step is the mod box's like the Reo.
Now, some people use say the KGO for years and are quite happy and content with it. Some aren't and step up to the next level, and are happy clams there. Some step up to the next level....etc...

If you like the Provari but it's a stretch for you.....I'd suggest (and this coming from a Provari owner...I'm probably going to rock sailorman's boat here) a Silver Bullet. Yes, that's right sailorman! A Provarian suggesting a Silver Bullet to someone. Is this something unfamiliar and new to you?

 

[Freddie]

Welcome to ECF

 

[NGIB]

I bought 2 of the Apollo VTube kits, 1 for me and 1 for my son. They are a great value for the price and do everything I need them to do. Another great option is the Epower kit from Crystal Clear Vaping as it comes with 2 batteries, charger and a box of the cartos that Sailorman recommends (and that I use exclusively). Being able to buy spare batteries at less than half the cost of eGo/KGO batteries is a huge plus. If I got rid of all my PVs except 1 - it would be the Epower. These kits come with the latest upgraded (and trouble free) switch and CCV is great to deal with. I bought a 2nd Epower kit from him this week as I MUST have spares as I will NEVER go back to smoking.

I'm vaping RY4 on one of my Epowers right now...

Crystal Clear Vaping

 

[Kewldood]

Thx for the responses. I've been browsing the forum and various online retailers, and so far not any closer to deciding what I might purchase. I found this unit Echo Crystal Vision Kit and it claims 1100 mah eGO batteries. I figured that this might be a bit heavy for hands-free vaping, and so I'll probably continue to use my k808 setup for that purpose and buy a advanced device for normal vaping.

Q- If I buy a small 510 auto battery, will that be compatible with the cartos that I would be using with the eGO?

Also in a general sense how easy to use are the lavatubes or silver bullet/provari types? What I mean is easy to carry in pocket, how delicately I have to treat it (esp with the glass? cartos), and general weight of the device in hand. I came across some pictures of a Katana unit that had a slide over enclosure for the carto/tank and that seemed really solid but can't find any details or purchasing info for that unit. I'm assuming it's fairly expensive anyways but is there a similar carto mod option out there for any other battery's? Also it had a metal wick, which I thought was pretty cool and would be interested in that as well. If either of these mods exist, could you recommend a battery that would cater to those? Thx

 

[Kewldood]

Hey have any of you tried the Apollo Elips? Elliptical in shape, cool looking, and can function as a passthru. The battery is only rated at 350mah which even with my limited understanding seems obviously weak, but just wondering...

I do like the easy tank system and overall dummy proof design but surely I would be making big sacrifices with this unit, right?

 

[Kewldood]

Found out that E-cig Supply is located right here in the valley!! They have a great selection of the eGo line and also some VV/apollo style devices, and so I'm headed out there to check out my options in person. Hopefully by tonight I will have graduated to the next level

Big thanks to everyone for your input and hope to learn much much more from this forum. Cheers!!

 

[Kay1959]

Great! It's nice you can go see them in person like that. Have to admit I'm alittle jealous!

 

[Kewldood]

Lol yeh I'm giddy with excitement about to drive over. Plain old luck kicking in just in time as I was going to order a kit from Oregon and juice from Halo and then anxiously wait their arrival (worst part).

Also found an interesting juice vendor called Aroma that's nearby. They sell a different kind of liquid called WPA which I want to try. Any experience with this product?

 

[Vapoor eyes er]

Also found an interesting juice vendor called Aroma that's nearby. They sell a different kind of liquid called WPA which I want to try. Any experience with this product?

You prolly mean WTA= Whole Tobacco Alkoids. Some need to vape WTA because vaping nic juice just isn't doing it for them and are having problems/ feeling like something is missing. If you don't need it I'd suggest not ordering it.

 

[Kewldood]

Cool I have been using Halo juice and the local store I just purchased my new device from stocks Halo at the same cost so I guess there's really no reason to try anything else.

So I bought a eGO Twist and this thing is amaze-balls!!! So much better than the kr808 I'm over the moon. One thing though I wasn't sure which cartos/ atomizers to purchase. Do I still need the LR since this thing has VV? I like the clearomizer and will mostly stick to that, but what do I do with these atomizers if I do want to use them?

PS- thx for all the support and knowledge over the past few days- lifesavers^^

 

[sailorman]

Cool I have been using Halo juice and the local store I just purchased my new device from stocks Halo at the same cost so I guess there's really no reason to try anything else.

So I bought a eGO Twist and this thing is amaze-balls!!! So much better than the kr808 I'm over the moon. One thing though I wasn't sure which cartos/ atomizers to purchase. Do I still need the LR since this thing has VV? I like the clearomizer and will mostly stick to that, but what do I do with these atomizers if I do want to use them?

PS- thx for all the support and knowledge over the past few days- lifesavers^^

You're kind of on the border of needing low resistance. The Twist only puts out 4.8V. That's pretty low for something that's supposed to be variable voltage. Your wattage will top out at about 7.68 watts with a 3ohm carto. That's not bad, but not great either and you'll be running full blast all the time to get there. With a 3ohm standard resistance, you're probably going to spend all your time between 4.2 and 4.8V. So, you're might want to go down to 2 or 2.5ohms so you don't have to run at the top end all the time in order to stay in the 7-8 watt "sweet spot".

One thing people never consider when they try to use low voltage and low resistance is that every time you change your voltage, you get a larger change in power than if you were at a higher voltage with a higher resistance. You lose 20% or more of your "resolution" or the ability to "fine tune" your vapor. The lower the voltage and resistance, the more resolution you lose.

For example, the useable range on the Twist with a 2ohm carto is 3.2 to 4.8V. That gives you a range of wattage from 5.12 to 11.52 Watts, a difference of 6.4 watts over a total change of 1.6V. That translates to a 0.4 watt change for every 0.1V change in voltage.

If you had a 6volt device with a 3ohm carto, you'd get the same 5.12 to 11.52 watts using 3.9 to 5.9V, or a 2V spread. Every time you change the voltage by 0.1V, the watts change by 0.32 watts.

That's means a PV using higher resistance and higher voltage is 20% more sensitive than one trying to achieve the same level of power with a low resistance and low voltage. The difference in sensitivity is the same whether you top out at 11.52 watts or 9 watts or 7 watts. Higher voltage allows for finer gradations with a bonus of a lower current draw, which saves strain on the battery. Plus, you get better vapor and longer carto life due to the heavier coil on SR cartos as opposed to the thinner wire on LR cartos.