Let's get honest about dollars.

[Bluesmaster75]

Say what you want I can take it, But seriously after a year and half of vaping and spending way too much time and money on different cartos and atomizers I am still curious why nobody has been honest with any of the new comers? I don't care what you're running, but if you aren't honest with new comers we are going to get nowhere. My honest opinion is order an ego or Riva at minimum of 900 mah or order 2 650 mah kits. Batteries are a pain in the azz; I spent 300 bucks my first month on crappy 510's and 808"s. These are the ones that are closest to handeling as a cigarette as can be. I order these batteries regularly but they will not get anyone to quit.I order 510 autos regularly to give away and tell them vaping is amazing but it has it's own costs.These autos and slims are great but I think if we are honest and all talk to our friends and let them know that the real alternative to being free of cancer sticks costs a few bucks more to get serious we will have more success. Here in Ontario the cheapest carton costs 54 dollars. That same 54 dollars in vaping gets me 2 weeks worth of carts(if I don't wash and re-use) and 60ml of juice at ...... prices(no offence but if you pay 1 buck per ml you are a ......). This could get really politically incorrect in a hurry lol. I'm not the nicest guy in the world and never told you I would be. FAct of the matter is you guys always continue to steer these people wrong.How are we going to better the community?. What they need is honesty, and to know that it will cost 200 bucks right off the hop unless you're giving you're juice away for free. They need a starter kit plus juice plus cartos that are reliable and work on a decent battery. This is not available for $29.99(quit giving false hope). They need to know that for around 200 bucks they are good for a month with a few flavours and a bunch of cartos they can throw away. And then let them know if they clean their cartos thay can save a few more bucks as well. We seriously need to let this community know that Vaping isn't just about saving money it's about saving your health. Not everyone wants to make their own damn juice. Not everyone wants a damn fog warning to be proclaimed on the weather network every time they exhale(lmao). And quite honestly this forum is completely lending itself to this falsehood.We need to get honest about the how good we feel having quit the NiC Stiks and how we would spend the same money to feel as good or better. Every damn thread it seems is about stretching the dollar. This is about an alternative to dying for me. If it's not the same for you, and you would continue to smoke if it was cheaper then at that point there's not much more to say. Did I mention hAPPY nEW yEAR? LOL

 

[Archer]

Hi Blues,

Agreed it's about not dying too young, but it turns into a fun hobby too. Trying different juices, DIYing, different models, etc...
Money well spent and fun too

 

[Switched]

Do you feel better now

I have said it many times quit chasing rainbows, understand your addiction and deal with your withdrawals. Vaping can be cheaper than smoking just stay off the forums.

BTW I am not here to save lives, that one gets tiresome in a hurry. I vape to stop smoking. I have succeeded. Folks wishing to quit I give advice and pass out cards, that is it. The rest is up to them. Is vaping safe? IMO no, it is only safer.

Paragraphs are nice

 

[Song]

Honestly there is no perfect e-cigs for everyone. Some people prefer smaller ecigs like 510s and 808d, some prefer eGos, and some prefer big battery mods. It really depends on how heavy of a smoker the person was beforehand and what there preferences are. I'm not sure what kind of kits your buying and how many but one kit with e-juice, cartos/cartridges/atomizers doesn't really cost you 200$. As for e-juice, unless the vendor is making it themselves there is a risk that vendor run in when importing e-juice. Currently customs canada tries to block all e juice with nic in it and vendors do have to factor into the cost: lost shipments, shipments that have to be resend multiple times.

Personally e-cigs to me is just a alternative to cigarettes without most of its health concerns, i enjoy smoking, and now i enjoy vaping. I dont really think i'll ever quit it. Another reason that we are not promoting e-cigs as a quit smoking device is because this is exactly what the government wants, they are trying to regulate the devices as medical devices, the cost of getting a class 2 medical license and getting the nicotine e juice approved runs in the millions and takes years of clinical testing. And during all that research your prohibited to sell the item. Not only that HC reserves the right to not give you the license even if you proven anything. So you tell me, do you really want some giant pharmaceutical company to take over all sales of e-cigs, charge you a ridiculous amount for it because no one else has the money to get that kind of licence and probably offer you a inferior product at the same time because you want us to promote e-cigs as a quit smoking device?

 

[CCC]

Hmm, i worked out that i would be saving money vaping over smoking, but i get what your saying, life is priceless.

 

[Bluesmaster75]

I would like to thank the ones that took the time to read my rant. lol Some of you are still anot getting it after being here quite some time.

 

[Bluesmaster75]

Blah Blah Blah. Not one respone agreeing or disagreeing so far . Just fluff as always. I challenge anyone to explain to me how a person can switch to vaping for 29.99 vs my 200 bucks so they are fully prepped and vaping something that tastes good. I can and will pont you in the right direction if your seeking help. I started getting angry a few weeks ago and started to help after that. There is too many douchekaks so I don't swear lol. GIving advice when it's not needed or warranted, They are becoming the Vaping Police. trying to tell them what they want to taste. I am seriously havin enough already of the doudhe.... that can't explain in 30 seconds if it tastes like it should. no one really gives 2 ...s if has body ands warmth. Shut the .... up already lmao. does it taste lie chocolate? yes or no . If it tastes like what is on the bottle. Them I could care less if you like it. This isn't fine wine. I am gonna repeat this one more time. I don't give 2 or 3 f....... if you u like the flavour. Does it taste like chocolate or salmon or tune or crab? PLease stop giving me bull.... and quite honestly do you really think your pallette is the one we are supposed to all gather to for advice? F&^$ off . I been vaping for almost 2 yrs and because I didn't sAY nothing I'm a creeper. F^%$@ that!!!! I am just someone that's sick of seeing people waste their (expletive)hard earned cash. I am not going any where. You can be part od the solution or continue to be douchekak part of the problem.lol

 

[Bluesmaster75]

3 posts in a row. lol I don't mean to sound angry but at the same time I am very angry. You can't quit smoking for 29.99 . I want to post lol. bUT THERE'S NOTHING FUNNY ABOUT IT.

 

[Bluesmaster75]

i'M NOT TRYING TO BE A TOTAL ((&^$#*(&^(%&) HERE . BUt I am set in my ways and unfortunately you're all wrong lol. I seriously am getting really peaved with this starting out crap. They(we) already got (e+1 ucked) over once. This forum is supposed to make it a little more simple to get the help you need but they made difficult for me to even get my first 5 posts. If everyone is a noob ?????? How the e+f gosh darn it is some supposed to be able to help someone??. All I can do after being so angered id apologize and if you have questions feel free to PM me. Yeppers you're right thats horse ..... Unfortunately I don't make rules. Happy new year all.

 

[encee_rz]

When I started vaping I was never promised a "cheaper route" or even a way to cull my addiction. I was promised, however, a healthier lifestyle and I've found just that.

I don't know where you get off with this whole "29.99" quit smoking idea. I also don't get how you don't understand that if someone is posting a review of a juice that it's THEIR personal opinion. If you read something on the internet you should take it with a grain of salt and never at face value. Do research, try things for yourself.

I, PERSONALLY (meaning YYMV), have spent maybe $250-$300 since I started in mid October. As a PAD smoker if I had continued smoking that adds up to $825. Now everyone's habits are different, and maybe

*stops mid thought to receive package from maillady*

Meh, I've dealt with enough angry people in my life to know you can't really change their minds about things, so I'm off to create some new delicious juices, bye!

 

[Spac]

I spent a lot of time reading the forums lurking here and educating myself about what I needed/wanted prior to ordering my first PV. You can get a great starter kit for under $50 that gets you going. BUT, that may not be for everyone. I ended up getting an eGo kit (Worked great for me btw), but have since enjoyed playing with different ideas, and new toys to enjoy smoking/vaping. I plan on reducing my nic but prob will vape for a long time as I really enjoy the experience. This decision was made to improve my health and life, and as a side note I will be saving money pretty quickly (See my signature... )

I don't remember reading that all you need to spend is $30 and you're good to go... The final price is what YOU want to make it. And I know I have read this god knows how many times here... My for this thread.

 

[cactusgirl]

The truth of the matter is this: You can give all the advice you want about steering folks 'in the right direction' and advising what route to take regarding hardware and juice but it doesn't necessarily mean they're going to listen. I started vaping on an 808, then tried a 510......then moved on to a 1300mah fat bat. Did it cost me more? Yep, it sure did. However, I don't discount the fact that the 808 was enough to get me started and see the potential of ecigs. The thing is, I didn't have $200 cash up front to get started. I took the long way around but I still got to the same place.

I don't think that telling a newbie that it's going to cost them $200 out of the gate is accurate. Not EVERYONE has the same needs. Judging from my own experience, I do agree with you that skipping the slim cig batts would be beneficial, but again, that is only MY opinion based on my experience. There are plenty of people who are quite satisfied with their slim cig batts and have no desire to upgrade, and therefore no need.

Eliquid is another story. So you really don't care what it tastes like -- good for you! That is where I will disagree with you. Taste is very subjective and if it doesn't taste pleasant to me and isn't enjoyable to me (regardless of whether or not the flavour is consistent with what is written on the bottle), do you really think I'm giong to vape it? One of the most fundamental courses of this 'journey' is finding at least one eliquid that 'does it' for you. I think that most of us can agree that we were never smoking for the 'taste' of it. In addition to the nicotine addiction, we also became addicts of the WTA and other addictive chemicals that are added to tobacco cigarettes. Since vaping only satisfies the nicotine addiction, my brain requires something else to ease the withdrawal from its addiction....I'm offering flavour, but it must be convincing in order to be satisfying. Just my 2 .

 

[ThreePutt]

Happy New Year to you, Bluesmaster! As a noob to both the ECF and vaping, I don't think I've ever been given false information or advice on the boards here. I just spent a few minutes in the New Members section, where I started back in June. What I see there is wonderful advice, and little emphasis on how much you'll save.

But I can see your point, especially with the little banners that members post, illustrating how much they've "saved". I used to have a similar one (not sure where it went - it just disappeared one day). For me, the banner was a positive reinforcement, showing me how many days I had been analog free, along with the number of analogs I hadn't smoked.

I saw the ECF as a community to support my habit migration - from analogs to a PV. Same habit, same nicotine fix, but without the burning stuff and stink that comes along with the analogs. And the support was overwhelming - almost an info overload on the PV systems, cartos, attys, juices, etc. But the point of the posts that I've read weren't around saving money, although some threads do cover that - both pro and con. Can you start off saving money? Most of us would answer an emphatic "NO", especially when starting out. Lots of toys, bells, and whistles, and juice, and...

I probably did one better. I went to a local brick and mortar, and dropped close to $300 for two eGo-T starter kits, carry case, and juice. Overpriced, but the customer service and attention to my smoking habits, and them customizing a PV for me was well worth it.

Now, can the ECF provide guidance for the frugal vaper? Absolutely! I responded to another poster that was creating a new series of Youtube videos for the money-limited vaper. How to vape as cheaply as possible. Is that valuable to some of our new members? You bet. And for the new vaper, the forum is ripe with suggestions of suppliers and their sales. While I can't promise a $29.99 stop smoking solution, I found an eGo-T set for $39.99. Plenty of juice sales, that for another $20 would have you sampling a variety of flavors. So, getting started for $59.99 isn't too bad.

And I don't think the ECF is promoting this as a one-time-only cost to stop smoking. No different than the pack/carton of smokes that we were constantly buying. If we are to replace the analogs with another delivery system, that system will need to be replenished in the form of juice and accessories.

If you do see threads in ECF where the members are promoting $29.99 as a turnkey stop-smoking solution, pipe in. Or, make a suggestion to the admin to add a sticky that specifically address the costs of starting your vaping experience. We appreciate anything that helps us as a vaping community.

 

[Dusty_D]

Blues! I do get what you're saying, and yes it is frustrating but developing a holier than thou, I am right and you are wrong attitude is not the way to do it either. Sometimes you have got to let the "children" stumble around and fall before they see your way of thinking.

Let me cite you a simple example. We have a young guy at work, who was intrigued by my vaping. I use eGo's to get me to and fro from work on the TTC, and a Silver Bullet while I am at work. When he told me he was ready to start quitting cigarettes, I sat down with him (booked meeting room and everything) and gave him the whole breakdown on how it works, what the different devices do, what juices are available etc. He was very excited, and I showed him some of our local vendors where he could decide what he wanted to buy to get started off, including my recommendations for his starter kit and juice options.

What happened?! He wanted "something that looked like a cigarette"! Fine! I suggested he get the "Bloog" PCC style kit because it atleast uses decent cartos and is well received for that type of e-cigs. Did he buy it? No! He went with the Q510 disposable. 3 days later, he can barely get any vapor and flavour from the atty/cart combo.. and he's complaining about how much of a difference there is in between what he uses vs what I have.

He now has an ego kit, with LR 510 atomizers, drip-tip and decent juice that is helping him keep away from cigarettes. His disposable kit, has been disposed off. He agrees that he wasted that initial investment of $29.

The point of my rambling, is that "HE HAD TO DO IT!".. It did not matter that I was guiding him in the decision making process, it was something that he had to get out of his system, and I had to let him do it. The trick is to be there, when they fail, and to then set them right.

While most folks on here will suggest an eGo kit or better to most new users, not all new users want what is suggested, because they have seen an ad for a $30 starter kit somewhere, and have that in their head. You would not believe how many folks look for a "cigarette" type device and "cigarette" type juice without even considering bigger and better options. Spending $100 or more on getting started is very SHOCKING to most new users.

 

[FisherPal]

I have to agree with ThreePutt above. That said, I have also spent a whack-load of money on vaping but that was nobody's fault but my own. Three years ago when I first tried vaping, I went totally overboard. Spent hundreds of dollars 'stockpiling' cartos and juices (another fear-based decision thinking that ecigs were going to be banned totally within weeks) and then became so frustrated with the process (cartos have come a long way, baby!) and quit vaping altogether. Back to the cancer sticks for two years but always had it in my mind I would return which I have and this time it is sticking. Which doesn't mean to say that I haven't spent more than it would have cost me to smoke to this point to find my 'right' method - the one that works for me. I would never tell a newbie that they are going to save a crapload of money right off the bat because that just ain't necessarily so. Just as we had our personal 'favorite' brand of smokes, we all have our hardware/juice that does it for us and rarely does someone stumble on that combination right off the bat.

However, for the many of us who have to do this in bits and pieces (paycheck by paycheck), a low cost starter kit will at least let us know if vaping is, indeed, an alternative. If it works out that it is, then the learning curve seriously begins. This forum is a wealth of information and help and I have been extremely grateful to all who chip in and help. That's what we are here for. I'm still too 'fresh' back at it to feel I am much of a help to anyone yet but hope that will change as time goes on. It doesn't take long to realize that what is one person's ADV is another person's used toilet water.

I think what drives most if not all of us to this nicotine delivery method is the desire to switch to a less physically detrimental method of continuing our habit and, if and when we start saving money, that is a bonus! It's what we all aim for, of course, but some of us take longer to get there than others.

 

[kelm]

Last year when I joined the vaping band wagon, it was a learning experience. I got my first kit from the states. It made it thru customs but my next order of prefiled cartos got stopped at the border. Never to be seen. The company that I placed the order with gladdly refunded my money. I did some searching and found this place.

I found the list of vendor and saw a link for VIECS. I sent them a e-mail and with in 5 minutes they called me. I talked to them for about 30 minutes. I then bought a joye 510 kit. I also got some cartos and 3 30ml of juice. I think it all costed me no more than $120 dollars. Not bad in my mind considering a carton here costs between $75 and $100 which would last me 7 days.

I got tired of the small batteries so I asked around here and got an Ego kit and loved it. there went another $80. After that monthly cost for cartos and juice were no more than $100. I fell of the band wagon when someone actually stole my Ego and supplies.

I just started back up on the begining of the month. Start up cost I have spent aroun $300.
Purchases made- Ego carto kit-$69.99
Extra cartos -$20.00
Tank atty and carts-$20.00
2dcc tank and cartos- $35.00
Juice from Canada 60ml- $50.00
Jucie from don @ BWB 110ml -$106.00
Just got a Ego VV +cartos - $88.00
and juice
Grand total - $389.00

I am set for about 2.5 months of supplies before I need to place next order. Cost of death sticks $80.00/ Carton x 4 cartons/month= $320/ month. By the time I spend money on my next order I will see some savings but I am not in it for the savings. I love my nicotine. I wanted to stop smoking cause it was killing my body. Vaping has allowed me to do this without quiting nicotine.

Start up cost leaves a hole in the pocket book if you let it like I did. In the long run you feel healthier and do save some money once you find your groove.

 

[NoizMaker]

I'd go more in-depth but I don't think it is necessary...

Vaping gear and juices are bought in bulk and not readily available at the store like analogs as we all know, so I find your argument invalid.

When I made the switch, I wouldn't allow myself to go over the amount that I spent on analogs per month and I never have.. How much you spend is completely dependent on you.

The nice folks here at this subforum have never steered me wrong once...

 

[martinc]

Blues,I totally agree.

Cart of analogs is the same price over here (cheapest $56).

I got 2 510 kits for people at work (almost complete with 65 spare carts so they dont run out during xmas time!).

I presented the kits to them during lunch hours,specifically told them that these in my opinion,were meant to reduce (greatly) their amount of smoked analogs/day...not quit smoking altogether.

Both told me that they didnt want to stop squarely,but cut down (I guess its your typical afraid answer from somebody between waters)...which they achieved in a matter of days btw (1 cut 50% the other 80%).

When I inquired why not totally they both told me the same thing: they want to take numerous breaks outside :/

Why with an analog instead of their 510,beats me.

Anyways,I specifically told them that in order to quit analogs,the next logical step,they would need to switch to a PV eGo style...they saw mine,telling them that they are way more satisfying.

Their answers?

They are too big.

My plan?

I ordered 4 keychain PVs,guess to whom they are aimed

Slowly but surely.

Edit:

I know 80 flavors of e-liquids is a bit overboard,but I plan a tasting session complete with drip tips and extremevisions for my "clients"

Double edit:

1 smokes 2 packs of analogs/day and is 33 yrs old,the other smokes 1.5/day and is nearly 50 yrs old.

We did the maths.

 

[kaykay]

i have saved money PERIOD...i was a pack and change a day smoker..i live in nyc a pack of smokes here is 12.30x8 packs a week is like 98.00 or so..i do not spend near that a month..i have spend some money but not much..i have owned v2 ult kit(got a full refund),kgo(sold it here),ego-t(sold it here),magladon(sold it here),v-mod(sold it here),a couple 3.7 boxmods(sold them here),silver bullet(just sold it here)..and just got a lavatube..and i own one 3.7 box mod,and 5v boxmod...

so what i am trying to say is this..if ur not a hoarder and are not out to collect them all,u can and will save money. one thing i love about vaping is that ecig stuff hold it's value pretty well...so u will not miss out to much when selling ur stuff forward..when u smoke a pack of cigs,it is gone and that's that.as for juice i have found my go to juice and i pay 14 for 60mil..and 60mil lasts me about 20-25 days..so yeah i am saving money!.

 

[Concat]

lol what the...

I'm always openly telling people they need to drop the cheap attitude and commit to a few hundred dollars worth of stuff to really get going. Only new people seem to think vaping is super cheap, and that's because of the bigger companies making false claims like one 808 cart = pack of smokes.

Once you're down to just upkeep costs, it can be cheaper than smoking, but it all depends on how much you smoked vs how much you vape. The pack a day people will likely save money. But that depends if you buy a Darwin and then a Reo and then a Provari, etc etc. I smoked 2-3 packs a week, and I probably spend about the same amount.

Seriously, you'll notice a trend. The people who have tiny budgets or want the cheapest stuff are almost always new. The vets typically all have mods and have accepted the costs. Sure, there are some vets who still only use 808's and DIY juice... but they are few and far between.

Oh and those updating signatures everyone has are usually BS. No one goes and updates how much they spent on vaping.