Let's talk super concentrates.
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You read correctly. I have a 5 month old 20% real cig that is almost perfect. Although their Koolada and menthol can be too strong even at 1 drop per 30 ml, and Yuco is good at 15%, I can't seem to get grape flavorful even at 25%. 1 drop of koolada and the grape flavor disappears. Mild 7 at 15%, but gourmet tobacco at 25%.
Don't get me wrong, VZ has some of the best and most unique flavorings on the market. I keep ordering from them. But, it's not because I find them super powerful. It' simply because they are good.
Don't get me wrong, VZ has some of the best and most unique flavorings on the market. I keep ordering from them. But, it's not because I find them super powerful. It' simply because they are good.
From what I understand, Super Concentrates should be used around 1-2%, meaning you are using 25-40 TIMES too much....I've also read that if you use too much flavor, it can become muted (counter-intuitive I know).
I've been using VZ super concentrates since they first came out .. I mix them at 2.5% and they come out good. If you use too much flavoring it can actually bring the taste down to almost zero .. in other words as you go higher with the flavoring the taste actually goes away. When I use VZ's new "gourmet flavorings" I only use .75% - 1%. Have you tried using just 2.5% for the SC's or have you always used the higher %?
I am with you. I have went up to 7%. Just not enough flavor for me. I have not tried higher because I was frustrated with them. I had High hopes for this stuff. Great authentic fruit flavors but I find them weak.At somebody suggestion I even went to 1.5% and did no good for me.
Normally I would ignore a post such as yours. BUT, in light of the many DIY n00bs that 'window shop' here for meaningful and reliable info, YA GOT TO BE KIDDIN'!!! Hey, it's not April 1st.
Yes, I read and reread your post and subsequent reply three times. I not only call BS, but am willing to go beyond that and venture a guess that your t-buds are waaay beyond burnt out. Either that or I sniff an ulterior motive or some chain yanking (JMHO).
If you mixed VZ SC from 1.5 to 3% and missed a 'sweet spot', then why da Hades are ya DIYing?
Unreal...
I agree 100% with this post...... If your not getting decent flavors with the recomended flavor percents then its just not the normal. Are you going to like every flavor..... heck no.... nobody is but there are lots of flavors too choose from
Normally I would ignore a post such as yours. BUT, in light of the many DIY n00bs that 'window shop' here for meaningful and reliable info, YA GOT TO BE KIDDIN'!!! Hey, it's not April 1st.
Yes, I read and reread your post and subsequent reply three times. I not only call BS, but am willing to go beyond that and venture a guess that your t-buds are waaay beyond burnt out. Either that or I sniff an ulterior motive or some chain yanking (JMHO).
If you mixed VZ SC from 1.5 to 3% and missed a 'sweet spot', then why da Hades are ya DIYing?
Unreal...
Not saying this for a debate on different nic vendors so don't take it that way
For those couple of posters using super high flavor percents.... Mix up a small bottle without nic and test it for flavor. Only use 2.5% for alcohol flavors and 1% for gourmet flavors and vape that and report back
For those couple of posters using super high flavor percents.... Mix up a small bottle without nic and test it for flavor. Only use 2.5% for alcohol flavors and 1% for gourmet flavors and vape that and report back
This is some of the craziest ..... I've ever read. I've used VZ SC and Gourmet flavors almost exclusively. If I mixed them as strong as I've seen talked about here I would throw up.
I mix the VZ SC at 2.5 to 3% and couldn't possibly take them stronger. In fact mixing stronger kills the flavor. With the Gourmet Flavors at 1% I get great flavor from a carto/tank at 3ohms and 7 to 8 watts. Same with an Iclear or T3. In a dripper or Genny the flavor is very strong.
I mix the VZ SC at 2.5 to 3% and couldn't possibly take them stronger. In fact mixing stronger kills the flavor. With the Gourmet Flavors at 1% I get great flavor from a carto/tank at 3ohms and 7 to 8 watts. Same with an Iclear or T3. In a dripper or Genny the flavor is very strong.
I got an IGO-S this week ... wow it's a great little thing ... tiny but powerful. My Gourmet Caramel is fantastic in it, mixed with only .75%flavor .. tons of flavor and big plumes of vapor ... just perfect.
No BS, no motive. No PG, all VG only. I have tried every % from 1 - 25. With alcohol base flavor, alcohol is the prominent flavor and it only begins to taste good with long steeping times. When using the recommended 2.5%, the juice doesn't even have a smell, except alcohol. Maybe my taste-buds are fried. I just can't get the typical results from alcohol based flavor in particular. However, Dekang tab is a strong flavor for me. I just really want to stop ingesting anything from China, which probably includes most if not all of the flavoring being discussed here.
Well first of dekang is pg juice. If you like the results of dekang juice why the switch to all vg when you are making your own? Using all vg will mute the flavors but not to that degree. Try another brand of vg. Try using a dripper atty maxium flavor with a dripper
Maybe 100% vg is not for you? I know its not for me. I mix 70 pg 30 vg. I dont see how you can come in here and complain about no flavor when you are changing from 100% pg dekang juice to using 100% vg juice.
The better statement would be I don't like 100% vg flavored juices I cant get enough flavor when using vg juice
The better statement would be I don't like 100% vg flavored juices I cant get enough flavor when using vg juice
I have been mixing the super concentrates at 2.5 - 3% and the flavor is pretty strong. I made the mistake of mixing the gourmet honey at about 2% in one of my recipes and it was way too strong.
Edit - this is with a 50/50 mix of pg/vg
Edit - this is with a 50/50 mix of pg/vg
I mix most of my Gourmet flavors at .75% and some even lower than that, at .50%. At first I did mix them higher but fell over when I vaped them, too strong .. so then I cut them down and they're perfect for me now. Havent tried the Gourmet Honey, would love to hear about it.
Im gonna stop short of calling this outright nonsense, but it definitely borders on it. However, there may be another reason why using more than 7% of these is necessary.
First too tho.... VG does NOT mute flavor. I have been at 80%VG/20% everything else for more than a year and the juice I make is stellar and I use no more than .5% to 1% more concentrate than high PG users. Thats miniscule difference... and yes thats in batches of 60ml or more too. VG muting flavor, imo is a myth and anyone mixing correctly and vaping high VG will agree. I have tested this against pg based juices and there is no difference flavor wise except that pg tastes stale and vg is slightly sweet and makes more vapor, alot more.
Back to the OP. Maybe you can post one complete recipe and let us see what you are doing? Additives like em, lemon juice, ap, sucralose, vinegar can all do weird things to flavors if used wrong as well. The equipment you use can llay a role also. Battery voltage, atty, even whether or not the coil is any good matters.
On top of that there is the overflavoring issue. Dunno if you have experienced it as I have but you can... what I call... "double over" flavor many times. Hoosier's guide makes alot of sense when it comes to this. At some point too much flavor = no flavor. However, if you keep adding... it will come back... at some point.
My guess is it didnt work at 2.5% for the OP and then jumped to 5% or 10%... overflavored, didnt taste anything... added more... maybe even went past the sweet spot twice... to reach 25%.
Short of the op starting over and actually adding flavor in .5% to 1% increments then let em keep vaping SC's at 25%. Assuming gear and or additives are not causing a correctable issue... then for the op it may not be an error. Its still close to outright nonsense in my head but to each their own... taste is subjective... etc... etc.
Sorry i may have used OP wrong here... please read this as per the 25% flavoring post.
First too tho.... VG does NOT mute flavor. I have been at 80%VG/20% everything else for more than a year and the juice I make is stellar and I use no more than .5% to 1% more concentrate than high PG users. Thats miniscule difference... and yes thats in batches of 60ml or more too. VG muting flavor, imo is a myth and anyone mixing correctly and vaping high VG will agree. I have tested this against pg based juices and there is no difference flavor wise except that pg tastes stale and vg is slightly sweet and makes more vapor, alot more.
Back to the OP. Maybe you can post one complete recipe and let us see what you are doing? Additives like em, lemon juice, ap, sucralose, vinegar can all do weird things to flavors if used wrong as well. The equipment you use can llay a role also. Battery voltage, atty, even whether or not the coil is any good matters.
On top of that there is the overflavoring issue. Dunno if you have experienced it as I have but you can... what I call... "double over" flavor many times. Hoosier's guide makes alot of sense when it comes to this. At some point too much flavor = no flavor. However, if you keep adding... it will come back... at some point.
My guess is it didnt work at 2.5% for the OP and then jumped to 5% or 10%... overflavored, didnt taste anything... added more... maybe even went past the sweet spot twice... to reach 25%.
Short of the op starting over and actually adding flavor in .5% to 1% increments then let em keep vaping SC's at 25%. Assuming gear and or additives are not causing a correctable issue... then for the op it may not be an error. Its still close to outright nonsense in my head but to each their own... taste is subjective... etc... etc.
Sorry i may have used OP wrong here... please read this as per the 25% flavoring post.
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Yeah I'm with you 100%. I assumed the same happened with him using too much by mistake. That being said we are only trying to help, if you like it at 25% SC, then by all means go for it (but there seemed to be a complaint about not enough flavor even at this seemingly way too high percentage compared to what we use).
The gourmet honey is very good but must be used sparingly. I made a mix of black cigar, em, and gourmet honey last weekend. It is very good but I only used 2 drops per 5 ml of the honey. I think it has a lot of potential as an add in flavor.
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