Let's talk super concentrates.

[mayamason]

I can't believe no one (that I've seen, anyhow) is talking about the VZ SC green tea. I haven't tried it on its own, but it is phenomenal mixed with many of the SC fruits. I have mixed it with peach, lemon, dragonfruit, and a combination of those all together plus strawberry. Add in a touch of tart & sour and koolada, and it makes a fantastic warm weather vape.

 

[Faylool]

Amaretto is SC gourmet from vaping Zone is nice too. Solo

 

[Shilo]

You read correctly. I have a 5 month old 20% real cig that is almost perfect. Although their Koolada and menthol can be too strong even at 1 drop per 30 ml, and Yuco is good at 15%, I can't seem to get grape flavorful even at 25%. 1 drop of koolada and the grape flavor disappears. Mild 7 at 15%, but gourmet tobacco at 25%.

Don't get me wrong, VZ has some of the best and most unique flavorings on the market. I keep ordering from them. But, it's not because I find them super powerful. It' simply because they are good.

That is unreal ---never heard this from anyone who's tried them. Sure some people don't actually like them but never had anyone say they need that much flavor on these or they can't taste them!.

 

[Lundude]

i GOT A ZMAX,Vamo, just got The Tesla too, I use A Pro tank 2.2-2.5 head in it. I use boge 2.8 I get great flavor with every other flavor manufacturer. the flavor intensity of VZ SC aint cutting it for me

 

[Shilo]

i GOT A ZMAX,Vamo, just got The Tesla too, I use A 2.2-2.5 head in it. I use boge 2.8 I get great flavor with every other flavor manufacturer. the flavor intensity if VZ SC aint cutting it for me

How long have you been vaping? What percentage do you have to use in "every other flavor manufacturer" to get that great flavor? What we are trying to say in the nicest way possible is when hundreds of people say one thing and another two come along and say something else its odd to us. Cartos diminish flavor period. So does high VG as it requires a longer steep--other than that if you dislike them you can put them on the classies.

 

[Rin13]

i have only tried a couple of the super concentrates but I could taste all of them at 2%. I ended up adding flavor as it wasn't the desired taste but I could distinctively taste every flavor. Even the peanut butter and vanilla swirl from the regular line were pretty concentrated. I think there's definitely something ascew with the equipment and/or your taste buds. Have you tried flavors from lines/bases (non-alcohol) other than VZ? I know you mentioned Hangsen... was it the flavoring or an e-liquid? Is that the only other brand you've tried? I know personally, that all flavor brands are not created equally or work the same for everyone. Just because they work for everyone else, doesn't mean anything.

 

[Shilo]

i have only tried a couple of the super concentrates but I could taste all of them at 2%. I ended up adding flavor as it wasn't the desired taste but I could distinctively taste every flavor. Even the peanut butter and vanilla swirl from the regular line were pretty concentrated. I think there's definitely something ascew with the equipment and/or your taste buds. Have you tried flavors from lines/bases (non-alcohol) other than VZ? I know you mentioned Hangsen... was it the flavoring or an e-liquid? Is that the only other brand you've tried? I know personally, that all flavor brands are not created equally or work the same for everyone. Just because they work for everyone else, doesn't mean anything.

Hangsen and Sc's are two different things entirely. One is alcohol based and very concentrated the other is not as concentrated and not in alcohol.

 

[Lundude]

How long have you been vaping? What percentage do you have to use in "every other flavor manufacturer" to get that great flavor? What we are trying to say in the nicest way possible is when hundreds of people say one thing and another two come along and say something else its odd to us. Cartos diminish flavor period. So does high VG as it requires a longer steep--other than that if you dislike them you can put them on the classies.

Been vaping 2 years, been making my own juice about a year and a half.My normal % for most flavorings has been 20%. So yes I agree with you about the hundreds of people,something has to be wrong here. I have taken the advice from others here, tried 1.5% 2% 2.5% and so on.I want these flavors to work for me.Lots of people use say capellas at 10% I need 20 for it to taste good for me. I think thats why they say taste is subjective.I really enjoy in your face flavor!

 

[buffaloguy]

Shilo, I respect ya and you've always been a great help to all, even me over the past year. This isnt totally directed your way by any means, but Im starting to have a problem with people saying vg mutes flavors, requires longer steeping, etc... Its just NOT true, period. If those are the results people are getting then they are not doing something right.

I have done side by side comparisons of high pg and high vg. When done by exactly the same methods, same recipe, and flavoring percentages... the results are nearly indistinguishable flavor wise. As I said before the differences being pg (to my palatte) is horrible stale tasting and vg is slightly sweet. The most I ever offset a correction for VG "muting" flavoring wise is 1% and thats nominal, nor is it necessary for each recipe.

VG is NOT the issue here for using so much VZ flavoring. Gotta be something else.

 

[Rin13]

I know they are different. The person mentioned they used Hangsen and like it. They just don't want to vape something from China.. So I was asking whether this was Hangsen flavoring or the actual completed juice

Hangsen and Sc's are two different things entirely. One is alcohol based and very concentrated the other is not as concentrated and not in alcohol.

 

[Rin13]

Apparently you're doing something that we're not because I have noticed the same thing. It's more difficult for me to get a stronger flavor in a high VG juice. I actually prefer VG juice but for me, it does mute the flavor. Is it possible that your taste buds are different and the PG/VG base just doesn't differentiate as much as it does for other people? I mean, it just makes sense logically that it would be more difficult to get a flavor to disperse in something that's thicker. PG is far thinner than VG. If you don't think this is the case, can you explain what side by side comparisons you've done. I'm just trying to see if you're doing something that maybe we should be

Shilo, I respect ya and you've always been a great help to all, even me over the past year. This isnt totally directed your way by any means, but Im starting to have a problem with people saying vg mutes flavors, requires longer steeping, etc... Its just NOT true, period. If those are the results people are getting then they are not doing something right.

I have done side by side comparisons of high pg and high vg. When done by exactly the same methods, same recipe, and flavoring percentages... the results are nearly indistinguishable flavor wise. As I said before the differences being pg (to my palatte) is horrible stale tasting and vg is slightly sweet. The most I ever offset a correction for VG "muting" flavoring wise is 1% and thats nominal, nor is it necessary for each recipe.

VG is NOT the issue here for using so much VZ flavoring. Gotta be something else.

 

[buffaloguy]

The key to getting vg to mix better is heat steeping and distilled water. If you do it properly the percentages of flavoring used in a high pg recipe vs a high vg recipe are nominal, at best.

Every mix I make id 80%vg/20% everything else. Its steeped at 125° in a hot water bath for three hours minimum up to five hours. Shaken by hand every half hour during. If I take ANY Recipe of someone elses designed with pg heavy base I can immediately replicate it in high VG with the only changes being DW. So in that 20% "everything else" I may have 3% flavoring, 1% sucralose, or vinegar if you use those, and 16% distilled water.

I have repeated the same results multitudes of times. Any recipe. Only difference in flavor profile is stale or sweet. The actual flavor itself is the same.

I have been off ciggies for more than a year and my palatte has never been better. Im at 100% there. I love to cook (my favorite hobby) and even that has improved dramatically now that my taste buds work again. Wasnt bad before frankly, but its been dramatic improvement for me.

 

[buffaloguy]

By the way... when you heat VG it becomes much more viscous. Getting flavor to mix and disperse is much easier. And I mean constant heat. Not dropping bottles in a cup of hot water. 125° steady for at least three hours.

 

[Rin13]

I always use a heat bath. That's ONE thing I'm doing right lol. I have tried adding water but don't remember how much. So that's definitely something I'll have to look into. What's the reason u use all VG? Do you not like the taste of PG? Do you use flavorings that use PG? Just curious. It would be nice to use primarily VG in my instance as I would only need the one mixing medium and I seem to prefer the taste of VG opposed to PG, especially for dripping.
(i've noticed that drippers tend to use all VG... are you a dripper as well??)

 

[Shilo]

Been vaping 2 years, been making my own juice about a year and a half.My normal % for most flavorings has been 20%. So yes I agree with you about the hundreds of people,something has to be wrong here. I have taken the advice from others here, tried 1.5% 2% 2.5% and so on.I want these flavors to work for me.Lots of people use say capellas at 10% I need 20 for it to taste good for me. I think thats why they say taste is subjective.I really enjoy in your face flavor!

I am glad you said that (about in your face flavor as long as it tastes good to you I guess thats really all that matters. Its true they are different to work with than the ones in PG and flavors in alcohol are not for everybody---there's been a few others that had problems with the alcohol maybe a sensitivity but only a few that spoke about it here)

I kinda understand what you are saying because for me for an example I could only get 2 or 3 Nature's Flavors to work for me---(also an alcohol based line) and in that line the alcohol is VERY strong and overpowering to where I could not get the flavor right---(but thats just me and I vape high PG) no matter how much I played, worked it up or down steeped etc. there was as I said only about 3 I could get to work for me.

Thanks for not taking it personally----I didn't mean it that way---just genuinely curious.

 

[Shilo]

Shilo, I respect ya and you've always been a great help to all, even me over the past year. This isnt totally directed your way by any means, but Im starting to have a problem with people saying vg mutes flavors, requires longer steeping, etc... Its just NOT true, period. If those are the results people are getting then they are not doing something right.

I have done side by side comparisons of high pg and high vg. When done by exactly the same methods, same recipe, and flavoring percentages... the results are nearly indistinguishable flavor wise. As I said before the differences being pg (to my palatte) is horrible stale tasting and vg is slightly sweet. The most I ever offset a correction for VG "muting" flavoring wise is 1% and thats nominal, nor is it necessary for each recipe.

VG is NOT the issue here for using so much VZ flavoring. Gotta be something else.

I believe you on that all the way (that its something else causing this) buffaloguy as ALOT of all or high VG vapers seem to use the SC's without having to go that high. Maybe there are more and they just haven't posted about it....lol


I can only say that that is what has been expressed as a generality on the DIY forum since before we all were posting (like 3-4 years ago) there may still be some old timers here like Hoosier and salemgold etc who were early members in the DIY area and remember all that --- VG makes big clouds but mutes flavor-- and I am sure that varies from vaper to vaper. And the other sign of the often said coin--high PG makes less vaper less but less flavor needed has proven true for me.

If the generality doesnt work for you I get that and all this can be very frustrating because there isn't a fixed rule and manner of doing this that works for everybody---too many variables. I take no offense and I still read here to learn as well. Other people's process fascinates me lol

 

[Shilo]

The key to getting vg to mix better is heat steeping and distilled water. If you do it properly the percentages of flavoring used in a high pg recipe vs a high vg recipe are nominal, at best.

Every mix I make id 80%vg/20% everything else. Its steeped at 125° in a hot water bath for three hours minimum up to five hours. Shaken by hand every half hour during. If I take ANY Recipe of someone elses designed with pg heavy base I can immediately replicate it in high VG with the only changes being DW. So in that 20% "everything else" I may have 3% flavoring, 1% sucralose, or vinegar if you use those, and 16% distilled water.

I have repeated the same results multitudes of times. Any recipe. Only difference in flavor profile is stale or sweet. The actual flavor itself is the same.

I have been off ciggies for more than a year and my palatte has never been better. Im at 100% there. I love to cook (my favorite hobby) and even that has improved dramatically now that my taste buds work again. Wasnt bad before frankly, but its been dramatic improvement for me.

Maybe its the addition of the approx 16% distilled water that causes the need for more flavor---don't beat me---just a thought

 

[Shilo]

I know they are different. The person mentioned they used Hangsen and like it. They just don't want to vape something from China.. So I was asking whether this was Hangsen flavoring or the actual completed juice

I know I was posting it for their info not you---I know you know...lol

 

[buffaloguy]

Not gonna beat anyone... lol. What I have been saying is that is how I mix and I do NOT need more flavoring than a comparitive PG mix. Gotta reread the last couple posts

I only ever adjust a high PG recipe by at most 1%, even with non SC's. With sc's I normally will asjust only .5%, if at all, and in most cases Im at 2.5%-3% on SC's just like everyone else. I get tons of flavor, if I add more its overkill. Ive tested it... To me, that little bit of adjustment is a negligable muting of flavor to the point where its a miniscule amount in the final mix. Frankly, I could do the plain ol 2.5% and be fine with SC's. I just like em a tad stronger, but not over the top.

Now all this being said I do vape on decent equipment and that definitely plays a role. I have vamos, a kts gg clone (im in love with at the moment), and run agat2's, DID and Cobra clone rba's as well as a slew of vision vivi's, boge fusion carto dct's, and still use the trusty ego c alot on top of the vamos. I wrap my own coils for rba's well thus far with flat kanthal and 500 ss mesh usually between 1.3 and 2.4 ohms. I rewrap my own novas as well with either silica or cotton butchers twine depending on my mood.

The only time I drip is when testing a flavor and for that I use a hv 4ohm 510 bridgeless dripping atty. Foreget the name but I got it at gotvapes and its execellent for that.

 

[buffaloguy]

Rin, I use the same flavorings everyone else does. PG, alc, and some vg flavorings. TPA, natures flavors (not a fan either), vz, ecx, even some others Ive tried. Ive been at thIs more than a year and a half now. And started vaping VG at the beginning because if I use more than 30% pg in a recipe I get crushing headaches. Up to that I can tolerate PG. I leanred from these boards and intently read the stickies first, then from reading posts by the vet's like salem, hoosier, shilo, cyrus, and others.

To me, high pg juices taste stale. The flavor is just fine but its dry and stale. But I think alot of VG vapers would say that also.

As I said I only drip when mixing and testing. One of the reasons I stick to my 80%vg/20% everything else rule is because that ratio will allow proper wicking on any atty, clearo, or carto without issues. (i had major wicking issues with VG in the beginning and it took me weeks to find the right ratio to use. That being said there are sometimes mixes I use that dont hold fast to my 80%/20% rule, but Ill never drop below 70%VG.

I always use a heat bath. That's ONE thing I'm doing right lol. I have tried adding water but don't remember how much. So that's definitely something I'll have to look into. What's the reason u use all VG? Do you not like the taste of PG? Do you use flavorings that use PG? Just curious. It would be nice to use primarily VG in my instance as I would only need the one mixing medium and I seem to prefer the taste of VG opposed to PG, especially for dripping.
(i've noticed that drippers tend to use all VG... are you a dripper as well??)