Lets talk ZNA 30

[maf2k8]

I watched the 2 videos and i also watched when Zen assembled a ZNA within minutes..

One thing bothered me with that switch ( and maybe i missed something so please correct me if i am wrong ) The switch has a press fit pin going thru the center of it that holds it into place onto the body.. I did not see nor hear any mention of a spring anywhere under the switch so that when the switch is depressed, the spring then forces the switch back up into position..

With that said, Is the button just floating on that pressed fit pin? I mean what is forcing the switch/lever back into position after your done firing it? I have no experience with the onboard firing switch on the actual dna boards themselves, but if i am not mistaken, They have a click to fire operation ( like the HanaModz ) sorta of like a computer mouse, You feel that CLICK and you need to push down and feel/hear that click to fire it.

So with that said Is the switch just resting on the onboard switch on the dna board? and then when you press the ZNA switch it then presses down onto the dna onboard switch and make that click and fires? So technically, there is no need for a spring to push that lever/switch back into the off position?

If there is no spring or anything pushing or putting force on that switch/lever to push it back into place after you fire it, Then i can see some major issues overtime with the button sticking or firing on its own, since there is nothing ( like a spring or magnet ) pushing it it back into off position..and also, over time, that switch/lever will loosen up and just start flopping around on its own.

 

[burtonsnowww]

i actually had the hana v3 and sold it because i picked up the zna, i never had any of zens products before this purchase and i got to say i love this mod. The 18490 batteries are not an issue for me because i am not using this as my daily device so they are lasting me a pretty long time, the hana modz just didn't have the appeal of a $250 dollar mod, where when i hold the zna it just feels like its an premium mod. The firing button is actually my favorite part on the device, it fires perfect no matter where you hit it with a good tactile feedback and i never had 1 issue with it auto firing. the pin in the 510 connection you can just turn it loose about half a turn and it makes every atomizer i tried on it sit flush and their is no gap on the device at all. Once you try this mod your going to love it, guarantee it.

edit: i do agree on the price of the tubes being ridiculous and for that reason i will not be purchasing a 18650 tube, the mod does not look right with the 18650 tube on it anyway though so its no biggie.

 

[Rosco P. Coltrane]

I was going to purchase this. But I think I'll wait for version two to come out down the line. Surprising that there is no adjustable 510 connection. Nothing worse than a "work of art" that looks like sh.t when you can't get a device to sit flush.

Also concerned about the issues reported by Zen. Saw the interview and while the product seems to be made with a lot of care and quality, I keep asking myself how they could find such issues at launch. Zen seems to indicate that the DNA30 board was slightly different than expected. So he made a mod around a board he did not have? Dna30 was suppose to be same dimensions as the 20. But it was not, he also mentioned that there were variations from board to board. That does not give me a warm and fuzzy feeling. No matter how well the steel is machined and designed, this device is relying on the board. Everything seems rushed. The board, the mod, the release.

If they want 300 bucks per they should have all of these issues worked out WELL ahead of time. The beta testers used aluminum devices with DNA20 boards. and from that they determined that a different device with a different board was ready to launch! Battery life also seems to be an after thought. This has potential, but I would not be surprised if other issues have not even been found yet. Who knows how well evolv tested the new board, seems the dimensions being off was a surprise to them, but they still shipped. 300 bucks to do beta testing....I'll pass for now.

 

[Polcore]

I think I have the battery life thing worked out for the most part but I might still end up getting a 650 tube anyway... this is a variable wattage device that goes up to 30 watts. I'm used to using a mechanical mod .5 ohms with dual coil which is a really high watt set up, over 30 watts. now I am building my coils at 1.5 to 1.6 ohms and ditching the dual coil set up...I am getting equal flavor and vapor production and tripling my battery life. You know, variable voltage and wattage devices are a completely different thing than mechanical mods. my first couple of days I was in a learning curve plus I was in a brand new 490 battery which was my first one... I have come out of the learning curve and my battery is broken in and lasts almost all day and I am a pretty heavy vapor

like I said I'll probably get a 650 tube anyway just because I like options.but I can say this, I don't know how anyone could ever expect to get a better PV than this now or anytime in the future.

 

[t8kiteasy]

Nobody is saying it is a bad PV,just that TOO many obvious kinks should have been worked out before heading to market with this device.Granted,going with a different set up to save battery life helps,it still should have been worked out for long battery life before hand.
I am planning on getting this and have already decided I will be using it in 650 mode as I do with all of my MOD's.There are still a few quirks in the design that I think will be worked out before V2 comes out.I hope if/when V2 is launched the few who purchased the first will get a discounted,or free upgrade to the next version,one can hope???

 

[Gato del Jugo]

After watching PBusardo's 2 part videos on the ZNA, I am going to be all over this device.. Looks like a very well built device and I have been looking for a dna mod. I am going to be patient and get one of these after the smoke clears. Should be some reviews out by then as well but it looks very promising imo

I watched those 2 vids last night, way past my bed-time..

Very impressive, indeed

Kudos to Zen!

 

[Gato del Jugo]

Nobody is saying it is a bad PV,just that TOO many obvious kinks should have been worked out before heading to market with this device.Granted,going with a different set up to save battery life helps,it still should have been worked out for long battery life before hand.
I am planning on getting this and have already decided I will be using it in 650 mode as I do with all of my MOD's.There are still a few quirks in the design that I think will be worked out before V2 comes out.I hope if/when V2 is launched the few who purchased the first will get a discounted,or free upgrade to the next version,one can hope???

But aren't those who use the 1st version of pretty much anything always going to be the guinea pigs?

To be fair, you always have to start somewhere, can't keep it from the public forever..


Not something for me at this point (if ever), but I was still pretty impressed with the recent interview...

 

[t8kiteasy]

But aren't those who use the 1st version of pretty much anything always going to be the guinea pigs?

To be fair, you always have to start somewhere, can't keep it from the public forever..


Not something for me at this point (if ever), but I was still pretty impressed with the recent interview...

Yes I guess I am going to be a guinea pig?? I just really prefer this over a DNA 20 tubular length MOD.

 

[eda123]

Well that's that. Hana Modz it is.

That has the DNA30 as well, no? Would have the same issue...

 

[GemCutter]

The availability issues are really pathetic. It bothers me how in the vids he is like "oh just calm down everyone, come back in a week" it's unrealistic. I think maybe it's a marketing/attention thing, to go live with so few units? Would it have been so hard to wait a month or two and build up a decent stock? I can't dedicate my life to camping out for this thing, the competition is insane, it is really turning me off on this mod.

 

[t8kiteasy]

Yea it is almost as bad as trying to get a DNA 20 Wizards Apprentice.Can you imagine how long the wait is ACTUALLY going to be.I think waiting for this one is just not worth the wait.

 

[tragictaste]

I jumped ship on the ZNA after so many misses, and Im glad I did! Managed to get a Hana 30 during one of there "well stocked" pre-releases.

 

[GemCutter]

I am leaning towards a Hana as well, while they may not be as sexy as a ZNA, and not cheap either, although still $40 less.

They aren't super easy to find but they can be found.

It is sad really, the ZNA could have been one of the biggest products in recent vaping history, all they needed to do was make it available for purchase!

Seems like the ZNA will be destined to become another elitist mod only available to people with connections, obsessives, or the lottery winners who snag one online.

I have zero confidence in their ability to produce enough to satisfy a quarter of the demand. With the number of new and advancing vapers out there, it's only going to get worse I fear.

It's like the Sega Dreamcast, Prometheus, or Waterworld, something so epic squandered by horrific logistics. Functionally, to me, it is VAPORWARE, no pun intended, it might as well not even exist.

ZNA ULTRAFAIL!

 

[Loop]

I bought mine at a brick and mortar. They only had 3 left though when I got to it.

 

[t8kiteasy]

As the video suggested,"wait a week and come back to check".Well the week is up and no ZNA's in stock?? I think you are right this will be one of those MOD's only available if you have a connection to get one. Trying to stop flipping I can understand but this is ridiculous.Stopping one encourages the other,connections in order to purchase one.

 

[VapinNathan]

That's messed up

 

[Peter_C]

I own a PAPs, and a ProVari. I wanted to get a 'ZNA' because of two reasons, well, three I guess. It's VW, the firing switch is easy on my bad hands, and it looks sweet. I'm a 'user', not a collector and I've found that I really like vaping with a variable wattage device (am too dumb to figure out if I like 4.0 volts on a 1.8ohm carto, what do I change it to when I use a 3.0ohm carto?) - hence VW is for me.

So, if I want VW, with ProVari-like quality, and a form factor that is easy on my bad hands, what do I buy if not the ZNA?

 

[GemCutter]

It only encourages flipping, no one would buy a flipped one for more money if they were able to buy one from an actual retailer. Besides the $500 one on ebay, even the flippers don't seem to be able to get them. For someone who claims to hate flippers and wants to stop them, he did just about everything wrong, this is probably the most flip-able device EVER.

I'm still irked about "come back in a week, calm down, there will be plenty for everyone" BULLCRAP!

I could come back in a year and I bet I still won't be able to get one.

 

[GemCutter]

So, if I want VW, with ProVari-like quality, and a form factor that is easy on my bad hands, what do I buy if not the ZNA?

Minus the pro-vari like quality, maybe a custom DNA box mod with button placement to fit your needs?

 

[hadouken]

I have a ZNA. I was one of the lucky ones that snagged it within the 3 minutes of selling out. I love it. It's not my first Zen device and the care in manufacturing shows in this one as well.

The button does not have any problems "sticking." There may not be a spring but the button itself is "sprung", though I don't think there is a spring on the board, but that button itself will not easily be activated if it is not being pressed. If you are putting it in your pocket or purse you should be clicking 5 times to lock it.

A nice feature that this has that the DNA 20 doesnt is the power lock feature. Given the way you hold the ZNA this is practically a required feature. Without it you would have to gingerly use the device so that your palm/fingers dont change the power setting.

I use mechs, mostly Nemesis mods. Flush mounting attys are a HUGE thing for me. When I got the ZNA I screwed on a kayfun and BLEH. about an 1/8" gap. Lame. I talked to Zen on the phone and he told me that he may come up with a solution for it. I told him that I wanted to change out the pin and he told me the postive screw is an 8-32 threaded screw measuring 1/4" long including the head. I ordered some brass set screws and I will post my results when I get them in. In the meantime I got some brass 8-32 screws and chopped/grinded them down so that my attys will sit flush. I'd normally sell a mod that I couldnt get to sit flush, but this thing is bad ... and needs to be held to feel how solid it is. If you know Zen products you know that everything he makes feels solid. The ZNA is no exception.

I'd like more of a tactile feeling feeling with the up and down buttons. Again, not a deal breaker but the buttons on the ZNA do not feel snappy or clicky like the Hana. I imagine snappy or clicky buttons would require more space, which is probably why Zen didnt do it. Speaking of buttons, after about 10 minutes of use, my power up button stopped working. Mike replaced the unit, no questions asked.

Regarding people complaining about availability- its a PV. More will come. Chill and relax. If you haven't watched the video by pbusardo chatting with Zen at the Zen lounge, you don't have an idea of how much work he puts into these. Yeah he may not be putting out 500 at launch but cut the guy some slack. A LOT of engineering is involved in these. Whining about the cost and availabilty.. give me a break. Go buy another mod then. Nobody's forcing you to wait and/or spend your money.

If you are on Facebook be sure to follow Electronicstix. Jason posts regularly and will give a heads up of a near exact time that ZNA's will be available. On the very first release of ZNA i Had cart problems. The same thing happened with Z2. People whined and complained but eventually, everyone got one. I didnt get one on the first release of ZNA but because my phone notified me that Jason posted, I knew that he was about to put more ZNAs on the site.. If you are looking at the ZNA, you probably have other things to vape, SO relax. More will come.

And if you ARENT on Facebook, you're missing out on THE way to get new stuff from manufacturers. Most lists open there now; not so much on forums any more.