Liquid is insanely expensive.

[fetalbounce]

At the vape stores around me, and at a lot of retailers online, this stuff is going for $1 per ml. I understand that artificial food flavoring is expensive (that's why Pepsi costs $12 a can, right?), but should this stuff cost as much per ml as a $750 bottle of wine?

I can't believe more eliquid makers aren't competing on price in a market like this. Is demand really outpacing production by *that* much?

 

[JJOOHHNN]

What is their sales volume?
What are they paying their employees (not just the wages but total cost)?
How much time is each employee spending per customer and what is the not margin but margin dollars subtracted from this time?
How much is their rent?
How much tax is the business paying?

 

[fetalbounce]

What is their sales volume?
What are they paying their employees (not just the wages but total cost)?
How much time is each employee spending per customer and what is the not margin but margin dollars subtracted from this time?
How much is their rent?
How much tax is the business paying?

I don't know, but I have to imagine that it is less than a winery.

 

[stevegmu]

$1 /ml seems pretty reasonable to me. You can always make your own and try to convince yourself it is as good as commercial-made e-juice.

 

[vjc0628]

believe me if it made business sense for quality liquid to be sold at mbv prices

some would be doing it

 

[Thunderball]

I am not defending them at all as I am a DIY juice maker for personal use, but there is alot of time/labor that goes into mixing a bottle of juice. Im sure MBV or similar places mix it up in buckets or large containers or some such thing which is WAY more cost effedctive than me or a small mom and pop shop doing it.

Look at prices from Fasttech....that stuffs very very cheap.

Coca Cola and Pepsi have mult- million dollar mixing machinery and sell Billions of cans/bottles of product, thus cheaper..... Niot a fair comparison.

 

[Stosh]

This is why I DIY my own juice, plus the fact I can get it to taste the way I like it...

Cost of $29 for nic, plus $10 in PG/VG and the cost of flavorings I can make 750 mL of 20mg juice, so about $0.07 per mL.
At 3 ml a day use, it's over 8 months supply for me...

 

[fetalbounce]

I am not defending them at all as I am a DIY juice maker for personal use, but there is alot of time/labor that goes into mixing a bottle of juice. Im sure MBV or similar places mix it up in buckets or large containers or some such thing which is WAY more cost effedctive than me or a small mom and pop shop doing it.

Look at prices from Fasttech....that stuffs very very cheap.

Coca Cola and Pepsi have mult- million dollar mixing machinery and sell Billions of cans/bottles of product, thus cheaper..... Niot a fair comparison.

Yeah, but still... Compare it to a $250 bottle of wine, and it's 3x the price! If the labor is in the mixing, why don't they make the bottles bigger?

 

[Saltraker]

Where in the world are you paying a dollar per ml?

 

[fetalbounce]

This is why I DIY my own juice, plus the fact I can get it to taste the way I like it...

Cost of $29 for nic, plus $10 in PG/VG and the cost of flavorings I can make 750 mL of 20mg juice, so about $0.07 per mL.
At 3 ml a day use, it's over 8 months supply for me...

I'm gonna have to get into what you're doing. What do you do for flavoring? Post a recipe!

 

[fetalbounce]

Where in the world are you paying a dollar per ml?

$15 for a 15 ml bottle is quite common.

 

[fetalbounce]

$15 for a 15 ml bottle is quite common.

Check this out... Uncle Junk's Genius Juice 15ml - $14.95 : Electronic Cigarettes Inc. - Buy Electronic Cigarettes Online

 

[Chas_L]

My DIY ejuices cost me 6 cents per ml average and yes IMO it is just as good as the $1 per ml stuff. I have ordered expensive eguices from many vendors but have never reorded any of them.

 

[TheSystemHasFailed]

Well, B&M's will be highway robbery for a while, until more get properly educated.
There are juices that are NOT sub-premium that ARE worth the price though. Don't buy that crap if you can hold off, the B&M stuff.

Check out some of the higher-end juices, read reviews and find an ADV!

And remember, don't beat yourself up about spending money on better juice, you AREN'T smoking, and there is no saving money on your health...

 

[Leothwyn]

Nicotine's not cheap. I assume it's pretty difficult to extract it. I can easily make wine at home (and I have), I could mix up ingredients to make soda... I can't extract my own nic.. People making juice have to pay for someone to mix, someone to ship it, rent on their space, shipping costs, website, advertising or going out to sell their stuff in shops. It all adds up.

If you want to compare the price per ml to wine... I'll bet every ingredient that I use to make my juice costs way more than wine does. And that's before adding all of the expenses that I mentioned above.

 

[Stosh]

I'm gonna have to get into what you're doing. What do you do for flavoring? Post a recipe!

Perfumers Apprentice - The Flavor Apprentice - World of Flavors Pick your poison, err flavor...

They actually pay a lot of attention to what is in the flavoring, catering to vapers....

 

[fetalbounce]

What does B&M stand for?

Well, B&M's will be highway robbery for a while, until more get properly educated.
There are juices that are NOT sub-premium that ARE worth the price though. Don't buy that crap if you can hold off, the B&M stuff.

Check out some of the higher-end juices, read reviews and find an ADV!

And remember, don't beat yourself up about spending money on better juice, you AREN'T smoking, and there is no saving money on your health...

 

[fetalbounce]

Perfumers Apprentice - The Flavor Apprentice - World of Flavors Pick your poison, err flavor...

They actually pay a lot of attention to what is in the flavoring, catering to vapers....

Thanks, man! Can you use any food flavoring?

 

[vjc0628]

Yeah, but still... Compare it to a $250 bottle of wine, and it's 3x the price! If the labor is in the mixing, why don't they make the bottles bigger?

So why don't you start your own juice line

 

[TheSystemHasFailed]

What does B&M stand for?

Brick and Mortar...the walk in stores.