Damn, AWESOME post there. I appreciate that and actually got a lot from it. I was also just thinking the same thing about TC mod with regular VW mode. I had sorta ruled it out in my mind, but now definitely going to consider it
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Damn, AWESOME post there. I appreciate that and actually got a lot from it. I was also just thinking the same thing about TC mod with regular VW mode. I had sorta ruled it out in my mind, but now definitely going to consider it
It is worth considering.
- By far the DNA200 is the top of the line of TC Vaping and nothing performs in TC quite like it. You can find Dna200 Mods in the $100 range on really good sales. Evolv is soon to release the DNA75 which will work w/ single 18650 configurations which will allow SBS applications to be considered, but it also is a very big board. The 1500mah Dna200 VTR I built is utterly huge but pushes a dual 24ga .021ohm Ti coil Aromamizer just fine!
- Joyetech/Wismec/VapeForward has some really nice, very respectably reliable and firmware update able TC Mods for Dirt Cheap but the preheat control must be set by upping the applied wattage & relying on TC to regulate Temperature Limit, something I don't like about them. Egrip VT is crippled by poor airflow and must be modified to fix it so stay away from that.
- Early Neboxes were horrible in TC, but later ones perform much, much, better. Admittedly setting your temp on a Nebox is still somewhat a guessing game though. I use them regularly though as the form factor is very portable & they vape well - even with stock coils they are very satisfying. Not firmware update-able & no airflow control. Rumor is Nebox2 is coming soon.
- The Aspire Plato has TC but lack of stock TC coil availability & No RBA Deck available pretty much kill that as a reasonable contender TC wise right now. One guy who has an aftermarket RBA for a Nautilus is set to test TC in Plato soon and if FT ever sets around to shipping the NI200 Mini Triton coils for mine I'll be able to test it too. Until then, I don't trust TC mods that don't come with TC coils in the package no matter what reviewers say.
- Clones from China do TC well sometimes, some have adjustable TCRs, some Even have working Preheats, but this is pretty much a crapshoot.
- Looking forward to first reviews on this Smoant Knight as it is a nice little form factor and has some wire versatility. Keeping my fingers crossed for an adjustable TCR and an active preheat.
FWIW I was an early adopter of Temperature Limiting and ran TC exclusively for about 6 months.
I discovered that my builds and prefered wattages were consistently running around 400F and TL was never engaging.
I noticed no increased life for coils or wicks. I do continue to draw after I release the fire button so that may be a factor.
I can and have vaporized over 300 mls on a coil and wick while maintaining very good performance and taste.
Rayon wicks are much more valuable than TL for my vape.
I don't bother with TL anymore but by all means try it, you'll never know otherwise.
I discovered that my builds and prefered wattages were consistently running around 400F and TL was never engaging.
I noticed no increased life for coils or wicks. I do continue to draw after I release the fire button so that may be a factor.
I can and have vaporized over 300 mls on a coil and wick while maintaining very good performance and taste.
Rayon wicks are much more valuable than TL for my vape.
I don't bother with TL anymore but by all means try it, you'll never know otherwise.
I think Innokin and Provape held back on tc because they didn't think the tech behind it performed well enough. There were questions about some of the wire that was used. The fact Innokin has jumped in indicates to me, anyway, that their doubts were answered. I trust both companies to place safety as a priority. At least that's how I understood their delay.
Innokin's deal with Evolv to manufacture their TC boards fell through when they tried to prevent Evolv from selling boards to other manufacturers and as a result they were way behind in developing the tech to do it themselves. They also tried different avenues that didn't quite work out for them as I understand it so I take some of their PR with a large grain of salt.
Cannot speak to the Provape situation.
I agree there are possible health concerns using NI200, Ti-T2, and to a lesser degree Ti-T1 if used improperly or dry burned. I can literally taste a NI200 coil when I go back to them since I started using Ti and SS so I don't consider that a good thing. Think Stainless Steel Alleviates many of these concerns now that its adoption has become much more Mainstream.
The newly developed technology used for Kanthal in the HolmWrecker is pretty interesting too and am keeping an eye on that as well. Work with ceramics is proceeding and interesting but I think both are a ways out from being adopted on a widespread basis any time soon.
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Diketones we're concerned about in e-liquids are Diacetyl, Acetyl Propionyl and Acetoin. These are used to create a creamy or buttery feeling in our mouths. FDA approved for consumption, diketones are usually found in things like popcorn with fake butter flavorings. Diketones (specifically Diacetyl) are implicated (yet unproven) in a fairly rare disease nicknamed "popcorn lung". Apparently, tobacco smoke contains much higher levels of Diketones than most (all?) of our e-liquids.
As science really doesn't know what actually "causes" most of our lung diseases, especially cancer and COPD (emphysema), I'm waiting until the scientists give us a green light on Diketones. I am, admittedly, fairly conservative about Diketones. Many vapers are fine with them and wouldn't give up their custards for heaven or he||. We each have to make our own choices.
Unflavored e-liquids contain no Diketones, sweetners, flavorings or other "additives"; simply VG and/or PG, nic and some people thin with very minute quantities of distilled water. I personally DIY my own e-liquids at 70%VG/30%PG & 8mg (0.8%) nic. This was the balance I found for good wicking in my Kayfun days. More than 80% VG feels heavy in my chest. 40%PG irritates my throat. VG provides sweetness and vapor volume. PG provides throat-hit and, some say, carries flavorings better.
There is very little "science" to back up what we've anecdotally learned about vaping. The science, though, is forthcoming. Each of us has our own preferences, palates and sensitivities. Right now, it's a bit of trial and error until we find out what works for us.
Good luck!
Dunno... I think I liked it better when I thought diketones was an alternative lifestyle band...
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The Smoant Knight is supposed to be delivered for review on Wednesday... and I gotta be out of town... argh!
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I'm not torching my wicks & juice consumption has remained the same without TC.
{IMO} TC is overrated....but that's just my opinion.
Whatever works is what's best for the individual user.
!!! G*NOTE FIVE !!!
Dicodes is the best tc by far. If a Dicodes SBS came out I'd be happier than a pig in a wig.
And that's it, mgm? No comments, just a pic? C'mon...... DO tell.
I'm liking that big ahz button! (oh duh. that's the battery cap, KD) (not loving it so much now that I realized that.)
Hmmm. Tired of playing guinea, Sir Alden? (I'm actually still enjoying the ride.)
REALLY old vapers, Hoot. <nodding>
Oh THAT silly ridiculous thread someone started? Oh my. Oh MY.
Oh no! Must be AWFUL!!!
Hohmina Hohmtech? Please go on. I'm not familiar with this. Then again, I'm not familiar with many things, particularly TC. We have been enlightened by some of our "masters" that TC is actually TG, temperature guessing. I was under the impression that for TPuffers it really mattered not. I'm curious now about the statements that even at low wattage vaping, there's something to be gained (or lost, as the case may be) with TC. Besides flavor.
I was going to go with "Have fun - Me, 5", but then I thought, I really wish you were going to be IN town so you could do the review.
(hope it's fun, Shawn)
I'm liking that big ahz button! (oh duh. that's the battery cap, KD) (not loving it so much now that I realized that.)
I'm with you, pokemom! No early, paid beta testing for me (OR YOU!).
Hmmm. Tired of playing guinea, Sir Alden?
(I'm actually still enjoying the ride.)
Cool -and yeah once I started getting better at building and wicking properly, and on the right equipment, I've got almost no dry hits either. With 'plain old' regulated variable wattage I get a perfect consistent vape almost every time, from full charge battery down to almost empty. Also, thanks for the definition. Now I know that I am a Tootle Puffer, guess I always thought that's just what they called really old vapers or something
REALLY old vapers, Hoot. <nodding>
Wow, looks interesting, damn ..... I'm gonna have to quit my job to have time to read all these interesting threads
Oh THAT silly ridiculous thread someone started? Oh my. Oh MY.
Oh no! Must be AWFUL!!!
Hohmina Hohmtech? Please go on. I'm not familiar with this. Then again, I'm not familiar with many things, particularly TC. We have been enlightened by some of our "masters" that TC is actually TG, temperature guessing. I was under the impression that for TPuffers it really mattered not. I'm curious now about the statements that even at low wattage vaping, there's something to be gained (or lost, as the case may be) with TC. Besides flavor.
I was going to go with "Have fun - Me, 5", but then I thought, I really wish you were going to be IN town so you could do the review.
(hope it's fun, Shawn)
Hmmm. Tired of playing guinea, Sir Alden?
Hohmina Hohmtech? Please go on. I'm not familiar with this. Then again, I'm not familiar with many things, particularly TC. We have been enlightened by some of our "masters" that TC is actually TG, temperature guessing. I was under the impression that for TPuffers it really mattered not. I'm curious now about the statements that even at low wattage vaping, there's something to be gained (or lost, as the case may be) with TC. Besides flavor.
I don't mind playing guinea. I'm just not excited to pay for the privilege.
The initial idea behind TC was to protect us from overheating our vliquid to avoid nasty byproducts. It is believed that PG/VG start producing the nasties around 700F +/-. We're still waiting on Dr. Farsalinos' latest results, however. You can overheat practically any atty. We may discover that many of us enjoy vaping at temperatures that exceed 700F at the coil. Some may be fine taking the higher risk; others may not. It's still certainly much
less harmful than sucking on the cancer sticks. My current stand is based on anecdotal observations, discussions and my own experience. That's why I'm looking forward to more science.
Hohmtech is stealing a cue from the IT world. Network techs and engineers send a tiny packet of info to a destination, usually a server. They measure how long it takes to arrive and return to its origination. We call this "pinging". It tells us geeks lots of things about the speed, strength, timing and integrity of the network signal.
Hohmtech is using the knowledge that the said "ping" timing changes with the temperature of the circuit, in this case our coils. A ping is sent through our coil and the speed is measured. With algorithms and some fast, basic learning, the mod uses this info to control the temperature. It can theoretically be used with practically any known metal. I believe it has greater potential for TC than using measured resistance. We'll see how it plays out.
Does this help?
I've been tempering my concerns about this with the thought that the key nasty at those high temps is formaldehyde, which of course tastes and feels horrible. It's not likely that a whole lot of us are vaping doses of formaldehyde and thinking "hmmm, not bad."
This tech is news to me. Very interesting, even though I'm still not all that interested in TC.
It prolly will...... when I read it after sleep has been introduced into my system.
Thank you, Aldenio. I will consider your words and hopefully be able to get more glimmers on the subject at hand. If not, I'll just come back and say something Kat-esque.
