Little itty bitty mods under $100.

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As a girly girl with small hands, I prefer a tube mod but it's difficult to find one with more than 5V power. Has anyone got an opinion on this:
still fall back on my Spinners when I leave the house.

As a guy with small girly, arthritic and broken hands, I get it. The VV4 will give you a little jump in a stick form going to 6v/15w. Other than that, the best feeling device so far for me has been my new Cool Fire IV. It has a rounded side that gives the secure feeling of being wrapped around a tube with the Wattage and battery life that comes with a box (40w/2000Mah). And, to be honest, I really like innokin products in general for build and dependability.
 

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Yes, I have come to appreciate the build and dependability of innokin. Glad to see them move to a more ergonomic mod. I hope it is still as tough as the MVPs. Especially with the price-point of their mods.

I got to play with one at a vape shop yesterday. Feels really solid! They didn't have the purple.:(
 

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I got to play with one at a vape shop yesterday. Feels really solid! They didn't have the purple.:(

I brought mine down to the vape shop and before I left they were contacting their vendor for an order. The girl doing the ordering is a purple freak and their people had the amethyst in stock :)
 

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I ordered a purple Cool Fire from sweet Vapes yesterday morning! With luck, maybe I will get it tomorrow. I noticed that My Vapor Store had it for the same price and their's included the USB cable and the ego adapter. I only ordered mine from Sweet-Vapes because they had GSAir tanks which I also wanted and MVS did not.
 

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Yes, I have come to appreciate the build and dependability of innokin. Glad to see them move to a more ergonomic mod. I hope it is still as tough as the MVPs. Especially with the price-point of their mods.

Heatvape Invader is another one.

Depending on what your needs are, there's still a lot of value in older equipment. I'm still using a Zmax up to 15watts with a nautilus. Eroll (to my knowledge) is still good for cig-a-like size. I don't think the latest generation intends to improve on those. There's some great deals below 30watts.
 

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The aesthetics of mods is an area for growth. There has been a real focus on the electronics and that is good, but the simple black, chrome, brushed colors remind me of my cars in the in the 1920s...(blah)

Am glad colors are changing.

(just kidding about my high school cars in the 20s...I had motorcycles)
 

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The aesthetics of mods is an area for growth. There has been a real focus on the electronics and that is good, but the simple black, chrome, brushed colors remind me of my cars in the in the 1920s...(blah)

Am glad colors are changing.

(just kidding about my high school cars in the 20s...I had motorcycles)

There is a huge area of improvement possible. Did you see the Briefcase and the Snowolf? I can't tell them apart. They are either phat iphones or black juice boxes looking for a straw. And there's been zero development below 30 watts.
 

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The aesthetics of mods is an area for growth. There has been a real focus on the electronics and that is good, but the simple black, chrome, brushed colors remind me of my cars in the in the 1920s...(blah)

Am glad colors are changing.

(just kidding about my high school cars in the 20s...I had motorcycles)

Preferences vary so greatly, it's probably best that manufacturers keep things simple, charge less and allow us to add bling ourselves in whatever way we want. Just my :2c:
 

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There is a huge area of improvement possible. Did you see the Briefcase and the Snowolf? I can't tell them apart. They are either phat iphones or black juice boxes looking for a straw. And there's been zero development below 30 watts.

I somewhat disagree with that. The iStick revolutionized under 30W devices just 8 months ago. It had it's flaws that the 30W addressed. I would think that most people using 30W iSticks are using them at 20W or less. We have a DNA 25 chipset waiting for a good mod design but would probably be too expensive to compete in the current market. What would you like to see?
 

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Yes about the zero development. I really think that 95% vape below 30w.

Edit: yes, I understand the production cost factor, but what is the cost and I would consider it...quikly. I have used Jwraps, but they aren't cheap and they are not permanent at all.

Unless you buy an unfinished metal mod, no finish is permanent. Just ask those who spent a lot of money on Hana boxes, VaporSharks, Provaris, etc.
 
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Yes, if careful with the mod, the finish is okay. I get scratches on the bottom and around the 510 connection, that is about all.

A color finish would be the same situation. I value my mods and like some color/personality.

Speaking of iStick, I threw mine out for good reason. Just how I see my vaping standards. Best of luck for all iStick users.
 
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I somewhat disagree with that. The iStick revolutionized under 30W devices just 8 months ago. It had it's flaws that the 30W addressed. I would think that most people using 30W iSticks are using them at 20W or less. We have a DNA 25 chipset waiting for a good mod design but would probably be too expensive to compete in the current market. What would you like to see?

The Smowell had a brillant design. Put the DNA25 in that. What makes you think the istick is competition? It's the only thing offered. None of the latest round of mini boxes is made to last more than 3 months - so why would anyone spend money on them? The handful that are quality are square - I don't have square hands. Yea, I have to hold it. And they still don't offer much confidence that they will last or do as they promise.

Let's not forget that I have to wait for reviews to figure out what the mod actually does because many manufacturers aren't very up front with things like power manangement so that I know if I can vape the way I want to with it (since I'm not maxing out power/watts).

I value dependability. That is a high priority on my bucket list for mods. I'll break a piggy bank for it and forget all others. Sigelei used to do ok with a year warrenty and PITA service center in Calif. but they seemed to have dropped that. The result is (drum roll) REO and Provari after how many years??? That's pathetic.

And Siegeli can't seem to figure out that hands aren't square. How many are there now using nearly the same black box design? I am so sick of black - adding a wrap tacks on an additional $10-$20 on to the price of a mod and that gets old after awhile. The rubber skins are getting old very, very fast.

I am buying Cool Fire 4 because I have hopes for quality. I am disappointed with built in batteries because that automatically makes it disposable, which I won't pay more than $30 for. A permanent mod, backed by the manufacturer with some sort of service if things go wonky or upgrades - which is to be expected with innovation, a brilliant innovative ergonomic unique design, would be worth it's weight in gold. One thing counterfietters can't copy is service.
 

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I somewhat disagree with that. The iStick revolutionized under 30W devices just 8 months ago. It had it's flaws that the 30W addressed. I would think that most people using 30W iSticks are using them at 20W or less. We have a DNA 25 chipset waiting for a good mod design but would probably be too expensive to compete in the current market. What would you like to see?

I agree, most are not vaping over 30w - some might like 50w "to be on the safe side" (for what? Oh well, the customer is always right, eh?) so then why is all the development at 100w and up?

It certainly isn't because there's a lack of improvements needed. The istick revolutioned all right; auto firing, charging fires, melting insides, inaccurate displays, DIY 510 connection fixes, replacing 510 connections, pulling apart mods not meant to be pulled apart and the warrenty that doesn't really exist. Some legacy. It's sad if manufacturers view that as their competition and find it a challenge. There were lessons to learn from the public's quick adoption - that not everyone was lusting for bigger, the MTL market was real, half of vapors are women and they spend money too, lots of men like things that women place a priority on (pocketability, simplicity), color (red and blue out sold black and silver in the group buys I saw), ergonomic design .... just a few. The market was hungry for some new thinking. It still is.

People were burned by the istick and even more by Eleaf's response. The only reason they still sell is due to lack of competition. That's not something to be proud of. The average vaper had been ignored.
 

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My two MVP2s are just shy of a year and a half old. The CoolFire 4 is from the same company.

I realize that and it's one reason I think they have the interest they do. Let's hope it's not squandered. Innokin has had their share of failures too, so it's not a 100%. They still chose to put CF4 in the disposable category, with 90 day limited warrenty at par with Kanger, Aspire and Siegeli. The reason I started buying from FT was they offerred a better warrenty than manufacturers and US vendors.
 

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The Smowell had a brillant design. Put the DNA25 in that. What makes you think the istick is competition? It's the only thing offered. None of the latest round of mini boxes is made to last more than 3 months - so why would anyone spend money on them? The handful that are quality are square - I don't have square hands. Yea, I have to hold it. And they still don't offer much confidence that they will last or do as they promise.

Let's not forget that I have to wait for reviews to figure out what the mod actually does because many manufacturers aren't very up front with things like power manangement so that I know if I can vape the way I want to with it (since I'm not maxing out power/watts).

I value dependability. That is a high priority on my bucket list for mods. I'll break a piggy bank for it and forget all others. Sigelei used to do ok with a year warrenty and PITA service center in Calif. but they seemed to have dropped that. The result is (drum roll) REO and Provari after how many years??? That's pathetic.

And Siegeli can't seem to figure out that hands aren't square. How many are there now using nearly the same black box design? I am so sick of black - adding a wrap tacks on an additional $10-$20 on to the price of a mod and that gets old after awhile. The rubber skins are getting old very, very fast.

I am buying Cool Fire 4 because I have hopes for quality. I am disappointed with built in batteries because that automatically makes it disposable, which I won't pay more than $30 for. A permanent mod, backed by the manufacturer with some sort of service if things go wonky or upgrades - which is to be expected with innovation, a brilliant innovative ergonomic unique design, would be worth it's weight in gold. One thing counterfietters can't copy is service.

I agree with you. Vaping ain't easy. It's a huge compromise. We have to balance our desires with our resources. There are options out there but at much higher price points. The 20W, Evolv powered, iTaste SVD 2.0 can be had for less than $50. There are always Provaris, Dicodes, the SXMinis and one of many high quality, bespoke mods available on the market. We can have practically anything we want right now as long as we're willing to pay for it.

My vaping devices are not fashion statements, as the cigarettes I used to smoke were not. I will take form, function, value, quality and durability over fashion every day. If I thought I could, I wouldn't be vaping either. I vape to not smoke, not because I love to vape.

Nothing is permanent. The $1k new flat screen is not permanent. That $30k new car is not permanent. Electronic and mechanical devices will simply wear out, especially with the abuse humans inflict. If I want shirts that fit me, I have to spend a lot of money tailoring something off the rack, usually at a cost higher than the shirt itself. I can always get something bespoke, if I'm willing to pay for it. We purchase very expensive homes and alter them with paint, wallpaper, furnishings, landscaping, etc in order to tailor them to our liking. Why not expect the same with mods? Mass manufacturers can't cater to every individual's tastes, needs or desires. If we want to satisfy all of our whims, we should expect to spend the money on something custom.

Devices less than $50 are probably best made to be disposable. After a warranty has expired, neither of us would want to pay to have it fixed. The labor alone could be more than the cost of a new device. "Local" authorized service/warranty centers would be incredible but probably add 50% (or more) to the cost of hardware. Most vapers have voted with their wallets. They don't want to pay a lot for this gear. I certainly don't want to have to pay $45-50 for a 30W iStick.

I truly believe that legitimate questions about looming regulations and legislation are greatly affecting and stifling the industry. As long as the FDA and legislators don't mess things up royally, I believe we will see more varied choices in the coming months and years. Innokin will release something similar to the CF4 with a replaceable battery. Many more businesses will pop up to support vapers. But we need to figure out what vaping is to us and also set our expectations appropriately. Are we simply not wanting to smoke? In that case a couple of 30W iSticks with Nautilus Minis, GS Airs, Kayfuns, Lemos, Magmas, Dillingers, etc should be more than sufficient for most. Anything else is really icing on the cake and we should expect to pay a great deal for it. Prefer the Lincoln MKZ to the Ford Fiesta? Be prepared to pay for it. Just my :2c:.

Good luck with your new Cool Fire 4! Let us know what you think of it.
 
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