Lorann Flavors Issue

[Overlord]

For sure.

Right now I only have 36mg VG so im trying to cut it with PG but if I cut it too much, im out on nic.

Hope my 36mg PG comes soon!

 

[HzG8rGrl]

Dan-I am all over that recipe. Thanks

 

[TJPatt72]

LOL Overlord, I stock piled Nic based in PG only to find out I couldn't add a lot of VG (increase sweetness & vapor) to it. I read for long term storage PG based nic was best. Well since I like more vapor I ordered some nic based in VG only which I will do as I use my stock pile so I can make batches with more room to add exactly what I want. With VG needing to be thinned and taking away the flavor maybe I'll come up with a formula to where it vapes good smoke and the flavor still comes through.

As for flavor I have a hard time tasting it sometimes, yet not often with the butterscotch, cotton candy and banana which I added at 20%-smoked analogs a long time and don't have my taste buds back yet. Loranns cherry I've given up on for now, too much of a chemical taste even at a low amount for me. I'm guessing depending on the Loranns flavor your trying to use you will notice a difference in their flavor coming through using PG based nic.

As for moisture most I could find it this:
Very few people have any true allergic reactions to PG, or VG for that matter. But both are humectants. The areas they coat will release moisture to the air if the air is drier than the mouth interior. That's often the case, but is absolutely the worst in winter, with cold, dry air being sucked in.
Your nose might crack and bleed, your skin itches, your lungs seem to gasp for air. And dry air warmed up is just as bad. Your body is radiating its moisture! Dry air sucks. It's not cold temperatures that cause germs to bring you down; it's low humidity cracking the areas where germs enter - throat and nose.
Solution: Drink lots of water, Gatorade or something non-caffeinated. You won't find some magic e-liquid that solves the problem. Once you begin drying out, you will get headaches and muscle cramps. Athletes know this well.

 

[Kurt]

So one thing im noticing is that anything I try appears .....dry.

Normal juice is tasty, moist vapor. When I use homebrew, the vapor seems dry. Even notice a sound difference when taking a draw.

Is this normal?!

My brew is as follows;
VG 36mg cut to 24 with PG
flavor to taste

Not impressed with Lorann so far actually, suggestions?

Both PG and VG can dry you out. I personally find PG dries me out far more than VG, so I only use VG juices now, that and other issues I have with PG. But you might find for yours adding about 10% distilled water or vodka will help to thin and moisten the vapor. That said, I still have to drink a lot of water. Keeping yourself hydrated should help a lot, as TJ said.

 

[Addi]

This is interesting to read. I've already noticed that I'm drinking a lot less water vaping than when I was using analogs, which always made me crave water. I've also experienced a couple low grade headaches over the past week, which I just attributed to a side effect of quitting smoking. I'm also experiencing dry mouth, especially in the morning when I'm vaping and drinking coffee. I think I'm going to need to make a concerted effort to drink more water during the day, even if I'm not thirsty.

 

[MaxUT]

Now I have read that FlavourArt you only need to ad 2-5% to get the flavors taste .... If that low of a % is used it may work better for juices made with a Nic based in VG since using less flavor would allow more thinner or PG room.

FlavourArt is good when you have, for example, 36mg unflavored and want to preserve its strength and still have good flavor. I only used 1 drop of Cowboy tobacco flavoring per 1ml of 50/50 VG/PG base to produce a mild Marlboro Light flavor. This is about 2% concentration.

I'm a noob so maybe some better pro's will chime in about the use of Nic based in VG being made into juices.

I've found that more flavoring is needed when making a VG-based liquid. Also, it seems to take about 24 hrs. for the mix to assume a true taste, so I add a drop or two at a time, shake the bottle, drip it on my atty and taste. I look for the intensity of the flavor and not the quality. When it seems strong enough, I cap the bottle and leave it overnight to let the mix 'mellow'.

Be sure to keep good notes; a small spiral notepad works well. I date my recipes and write that date on the label for the juice bottle. After vaping it for a day or so I go back and add a note to the recipe, such as "needs more vanilla, add 1 drop per 2ml."

Keep on mixing!

 

[Kurt]

Also, some flavors do give me headaches and a case of the coughs. Lorann's butter was one. I didn't like the Lorann's coffee at all, but the keoke coffee is much better. Not a fan of their chocolate, but Capella's double choc is very good, and even better with keoke coffee.

Dan, your tastes in juices are very similar to mine. Love those coffee/toffee flavors. Also a big fan of Lorann black walnut, especially when mixed with chocolate or keoke.

Lorann Maple does have sugar. But Vermont Vapor Maple is a VG juice that is maple flavor with a sweet tobacco extract. It is the only tobacco flavor I like, and I REALLY like that one. I use that one as a base for other mixes, like maple black walnut vanilla, or maple pecan, which uses Lorann pecan. Scrumptious!!

 

[TJPatt72]

MaxUT,
I'm a little confused on your FlavourArt comment.
So for example if I have 60mg unflavored nic (VG based) and cut it down to 24mg using PG/Thinner along with only adding 5% of a FlavourArt flavor like Banana it will not be enough flavor and I'll have to add more than 5% of their expensive flavor? Main one I was wanting to sample was their Fried Bacon, but doesn't look like the US supplier is carrying it anyway. If it will require a higher percentage of their flavors, then it won't be cost productive as far as I'm concerned.

Thanks for the tip on using VG-based nic everyone, since I'll be exploring making some out of that also. I have heard that some sitting overnight makes a difference, but didn't know it was due to the VG which is great to know in order not to add too much of a flavor to it.

LOL Kurt, just had a terrible headache, upset stomack, etc. Sat. night and wasn't sure if it was an over amount of nic (recent batch making sampling), bug going around town or just found out tonight BUTE I've been giving the donkey can do it all. Don't have time to be down myself since the donkey is back down so I went back to analogs today. Time to go out and see if I can get a little more BUTE down her and a little food after yesterdays ordeal. Hopefully her wound has clotted enough to where I can get a little down.

 

[sjohnson]

The way I read MaxUT, start with small amounts and work up over the course of days. I agree with him, the flavor melds with the e-liquid over the course of a day or two, the initial flavor is different (usually richer and more mellow to me) after some time.

Start with flavourart's recommendation, and slowly increase flavor 'til it's where you like it.

 

[MaxUT]

MaxUT,
I'm a little confused on your FlavourArt comment.
So for example if I have 60mg unflavored nic (VG based) and cut it down to 24mg using PG/Thinner along with only adding 5% of a FlavourArt flavor like Banana it will not be enough flavor and I'll have to add more than 5% of their expensive flavor?

You may need up to 25% additional flavor if you are using a 100% VG base, compared to the amount you would use for a 100% PG base. It depends somewhat on the particular flavor. I was never able to get a strong enough taste when using Lorann Blackberry in 100% VG base, for example, but Menthol remained strong in VG.

If you're mixing VG and PG, then the "flavor absorbing" effect of VG will be less. For a balance between flavor and vapor production, you could try 70% PG + 30% VG as a base.

 

[Jsis]

Okok... So what's the difference between Vg and Ag or are they the same ?

Aqueous Glycerine. Am I right in thinking the main of it is given away in the name.

 

[deitra]

Be very scimpy with the wintergreen. Mine isn;t oil but it is very powerful. Had to toss a 5 ml bottle I made up because it was so overpowering.

 

[MaxUT]

Okok... So what's the difference between Vg and Ag or are they the same ?

Aqueous Glycerine. Am I right in thinking the main of it is given away in the name.

Aqueous Glycerine -- glycerine with added water
Anhydrous Glycerine -- has no water or only a trace

"Vegetable Glycerine" will probably contain a small amount of water.