Lorillard purchases Blu E-Cigs

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Lorillard + Blu = Good for Business?

While access to Lorillard's resources will undoubtedly help blu, it's easy to understand why other e-cigarette manufacturers could be nervous about the move. With the current industry being so fragmented, is this the first step towards a monopoly by the big three tobacco companies? What are the implications for other companies? Will they soon be made obsolete, swallowed up or put out of business by the involvement of larger tobacco companies?
 
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Biggest threat to vaping community is this: by virtue of FSPTCA the FDA has the authority to regulate the amount of nicotine in tobacco products. So, BT gets into the business and voluntarily agrees to some irrational and/or arbitrary limit, i.e. 4 mg, 6 mg. (Keep in mind that OTC NRT products- patches, gums, lozenges, have arbitrary 4mg limits.) BT then has a cigarette alternative in certain environments, but not a cessation product that would radically cannibalize sales in places where smoking is still permitted/tolerated. BP then gets into the act, introducing products that have far higher percentages of nicotine- but are available only by prescription and as part of a step down smoking cessation therapy. That way the FDA hits a home run with groups it has identified a key stakeholders: BT, BP, public heath, tobacco control. Just sayin' . . .
 

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Biggest threat to vaping community is this: by virtue of FSPTCA the FDA has the authority to regulate the amount of nicotine in tobacco products. So, BT gets into the business and voluntarily agrees to some irrational and/or arbitrary limit, i.e. 4 mg, 6 mg. (Keep in mind that OTC NRT products- patches, gums, lozenges, have arbitrary 4mg limits.) BT then has a cigarette alternative in certain environments, but not a cessation product that would radically cannibalize sales in places where smoking is still permitted/tolerated. BP then gets into the act, introducing products that have far higher percentages of nicotine- but are available only by prescription and as part of a step down smoking cessation therapy. That way the FDA hits a home run with groups it has identified a key stakeholders: BT, BP, public heath, tobacco control. Just sayin' . . .
"Quit or Die" scenario and the end of e-cigs as an effective "harm reduction" alternative
 

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Biggest threat to vaping community is this: by virtue of FSPTCA the FDA has the authority to regulate the amount of nicotine in tobacco products. So, BT gets into the business and voluntarily agrees to some irrational and/or arbitrary limit, i.e. 4 mg, 6 mg. (Keep in mind that OTC NRT products- patches, gums, lozenges, have arbitrary 4mg limits.) BT then has a cigarette alternative in certain environments, but not a cessation product that would radically cannibalize sales in places where smoking is still permitted/tolerated. BP then gets into the act, introducing products that have far higher percentages of nicotine- but are available only by prescription and as part of a step down smoking cessation therapy. That way the FDA hits a home run with groups it has identified a key stakeholders: BT, BP, public heath, tobacco control. Just sayin' . . .

Lorilland knows such a scenario would be very detrimental to blu. IMO, they already have done their homework and know that blu as a product sucks and will need serious improvement if they intend on making it a viable contender in the long run. Either that or they intend on keeping it just like it is and continue to make the $ the same way blu makes their $ now, by saturating the market everywhere consumers go and make impulse purchases because its right there in their face.
 

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Lorilland knows such a scenario would be very detrimental to blu. IMO, they already have done their homework and know that blu as a product sucks and will need serious improvement if they intend on making it a viable contender in the long run. Either that or they intend on keeping it just like it is and continue to make the $ the same way blu makes their $ now, by saturating the market everywhere consumers go and make impulse purchases because its right there in their face.
The "ONLY" motivation for Blu to improve the quality of their e-cigs
would be IF it would significantly increase their profits (period)
 

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The ALA and the ACS ought to be ashamed of themselves. They have clearly show themselves as the hypocrites that they are! Perhaps they may need to change their mission statements to "We Want Your Money". Non-Profit my donkey!!!
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I don't really see what good can come out of this kind of thing. If juice is banned, 4mg limit, no flavors, taxes, etc. I think many will go back to analogs.

Well according to the powers that be, meaning the forum heads, they say that were only like 5% of the e cig market. That the largest portion are mini users. So people such as myself and a lot of other users here will simply aquire the necessary components, nic base and diy materials, to make our own juice. My point is that the folks that are restricted to the simplicity of the 2 piece, blu cig type of PVs will be the ones who are subject to your concerns. I myself have worked my way down from 24mg to 0mg with a few puffs of 6 or 8 thru ought the day when I feel the need for a bit of nic.
After a couple of days of reflection on this whole scenario, and listening to the big dogs' opinions, I've come to the conclusion that I'm gratefull to have of been part of " the golden age of vaping". I see this as a "heads up" ,if you will, which gives us time to get our affairs in order, and be ready for when the hammer drops. Learn to make your own juice, learn how to make your own attys, stockpile the necessary ingredients over the next year or two, and be glad that we got a "fair warning".
 

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The "ONLY" motivation for Blu to improve the quality of their e-cigs
would be IF it would significantly increase their profits (period)

Or if other BT parties get involved and they will get destroyed because the newcomers will certainly introduce a much better product.
I do agree, either way you look at it their is only 1 reason any corporation does anything, $.
 

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I'm sure Blu (Lorillard) has a PR department and would
appreciate being alerted to any proposed e-cig bans as
well as any negative e-cig articles in the media.
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As a matter of fact, they do. And Jason has volunteered to go and testify at public hearings. We probably should take him up on his offer.
 
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