Lorillard purchases Blu E-Cigs

[NC_Fog]

Cool_Breeze, you made me think of an experience that I had recently. After eating an on the go meal in my vehicle the other day, I suddenly had a hard pang for something(much like a nic fit as we call it). It was kinda uncomfortable for a few seconds and then passed. Keep in mind that I had been vaping regularly throughout the day.

Speaking of satisfaction, I wonder about what amount of satisfaction keeps the average vaper from going back to the stinkies. Throughout my experience it seems that the nicotine are the least addicting chemicals making us want more. Perhaps it is the enhancements.

Marty

 

[Cool_Breeze]

I can't say what chemicals might be involved. I suspect the traditional tobacco companies may know more about that matter than most of us. Thanks for the comment, Marty.

 

[Petrodus]

Cool_Breeze, you made me think of an experience that I had recently. After eating an on the go meal in my vehicle the other day, I suddenly had a hard pang for something(much like a nic fit as we call it). It was kinda uncomfortable for a few seconds and then passed. Keep in mind that I had been vaping regularly throughout the day.

Speaking of satisfaction, I wonder about what amount of satisfaction keeps the average vaper from going back to the stinkies. Throughout my experience it seems that the nicotine are the least addicting chemicals making us want more. Perhaps it is the enhancements.
Marty

We all remember saying ... "I really need a cigarette"
and the satisfying Aahhh feeling after lighting up.

Well, that wonderful Aahhh feeling came with the first puff ...
not the last puff on the analog.

That Aahhh feeling is what most of us crave from time to time.
Its the feeling we all remember. That same Aahhh feeling can't be
duplicated even when vaping 36mg. It helps ... but its just not the same.

So.... That Aahh feeling is not just from getting a Nic hit but from
inhaling burning tobacco with the combination of everything in them.

The reason many of us vape much much more than we used to smoke
is probably the body still craving the combination of chemicals. I'm sure
the minipulation of nicotine played an important role but not the only role.

That Aahhh feeling was a heck of drug induced relaxing feeling.
But it was limited to the first few puffs after not smoking for a while.

 

[DC2]

My one sampling of Whole Tobacco Alkyloid seems to have made little difference.

I'm sorry to hear that.

I found that the WTA juice does give me that relaxed feeling that I don't get from just nicotine alone.
I use it sparingly though, only when I feel the need.

I wonder how many people get something from the WTA and how many don't.
I may have to start a poll soon.

 

[Tom10]

In my opinion, e-Cigs are the most successful and most likely way to mimic smoking. They help to mimic a complex set of habits that have been formed over many years - many of which are firmly set in the mind:

The eyes see the e-Cig and something that looks like smoke - but it's not,
The hands are busy with the e-Cig,
The e-Cig goes to the mouth where several sensory habits are satisfied,
The atomized liquid is felt on the throat area and thought to feel good,
The atomized liquid is felt in the lungs and thought to feel good,
The atomized liquid introduces the nicotine stimulant into the body and the mind says okay,
The eyes see the atomized liquid being exhaled, and the hands are moving again away from the mouth.

In other words, it's a complex habit, and e-Cigs mimics many of those habits that then become harmless (i.e. eyes, mind, hands, smoke, etc.). We know that nicotine is one of the most habit forming substances known to man, but it is NOT a carcinogen. Nicotine is a stimulant and similar effects of this stimulant can be obtained with e-Cigs. From what I read, nicotine is no more dangerous than caffeine is. So, if health and safety is the desired end result - what's the problem with e-Cigs? Two cents worth maybe.

 

[steven36]

I looked in to my crystal ball and this is what i saw in a year only BT will be selling ecigs and no more kits just disposables in reg and menthol taxed the same as a pack of smokes

 

[Petrodus]

I looked in to my crystal ball and this is what i saw in a year only BT will be selling ecigs and no more kits just disposables in reg and menthol taxed the same as a pack of smokes

Whew ....
That proves the Mayan doomsday calendar pointing to the end of the world
on Dec 21 is wrong.

 

[kristin]

Here is the trouble I have (personally) about BT and the chemical they added that made them supposedly "more addictive." I get that a lot of people saw Russell Crow in "The Insider" so they feel they have the whole story about this. But the fact that e-cigarettes work on so many levels makes me question not whether or not BT put in those "more addictive" chemicals, but if they actually worked all that well. Two things make me question the efficacy of the "more addictive chemicals":

1) As many, if not more, people quit smoking since the introduction of those "more addictive" chemicals as before.

2) E-cigarette use shows that the "addictive" nature of cigarettes is highly varied and based on different things for different users. How else to explain one smoker being happy with 0mg e-cigarettes, another wanting 12mg, another wanting 36mg and other not finding "something still missing" from the most powerful, high strength nicotine versions so they either still smoke occasionally or supplement with smoke-free tobacco products such as snus?

BT may have TRIED to make them more addictive, but I have to wonder how well that worked. Maybe they are "more addictive" to ANTZ the same way NRT are "safe and effective" to the ANTZ. Who knows?

 

[rolygate]

Hah Kristin - well perhaps the addictiveness of [X] depends on who is funding the person making the statement.

 

[kristin]

Yes, Roly. Knowing how much the ANTZ twisted the facts about e-cigarette "carcinogens and anti-freeze" makes me wonder if the "added chemicals" they say BT put in were really as "effective" as they made them out to be. Of course, their goal was to vilify BT and make smokers and non-smokers hate tobacco in order to achieve their agenda. If that was my agenda, I would take every little detail and blow it way out of proportion - the same way they've done with e-cigarettes. It benefits the ANTZ agenda to have us all hate BT and view it as sinister and evil and to have us even hating ourselves. If they can't guilt or shame us into quitting, they give us a common "enemy" instead.

They want us to blame BT and its "more addictive cigarettes" for the fact that we smoked for the past 20 years and not the ANTZ for lying about the fact that we could have switched to a less harmful tobacco product (had they not told us it wasn't "safe") or that the NRT products that pay their salaries don't work.

I guess all the twisting and lying I've seen about e-cigarettes and smoke-free alternatives now makes me question and doubt just about all of the "facts" about tobacco, BT and smoking that originated from the ANTZ camp. I can't take anything from them at face value anymore. Every fact that I thought was "proven" is now in question.

 

[Petrodus]

Addiction ... Reactions and withdrawal symptoms

Chemicals are the constants ... People are the variables.

I know that is a very simple way of explaining the complex
but it is what it is

 

[rothenbj]

I'm sorry to hear that.

I found that the WTA juice does give me that relaxed feeling that I don't get from just nicotine alone.
I use it sparingly though, only when I feel the need.

I wonder how many people get something from the WTA and how many don't.
I may have to start a poll soon.

That would be an interesting poll. I personally prefer the WTA to regular nicquid, but since snus is my real "no desire to smoke" product, I've never went without it to find if the WTA would be as effective. I experience a closer feeling to smoking with WTA, but that could just be the flavor combinations I've used. For me it seems to give me that relaxed feeling I got from smoking. A ml of it lasts me nearly a week.

 

[rothenbj]

Isn't the goal of most businesses to have their clients become addicted to their product? Tweaking their product line with advances to make the consumer stay with THEIR product instead of another companies and attract new customers, to make you believe that you're getting the best.

Is it possible that it's not that cigarettes that are more addictive, but that the consumers that still use them are the most dedicated product adopters. I know for the most part, I had no desire to quit even with all the efforts by the ANTZ to convince me I should. I liked smoking. I had shut their noise out long ago with my failure on Zyban (how long ago was that the rage). I laughed at the idea of E Cigs, but I ended up asd an early adopter because I didn't like what FSC did to my health. I could have gone RYO, but got talked into this journey.

I think we're dealing with a lot harder core base and that just might explain why the number of smokers has leveled off lately. The E Cig gives that alternative that appears much safer, but still feeds Tom10's "needs". Just a thought.

 

[Myk]

Here is the trouble I have (personally) about BT and the chemical they added that made them supposedly "more addictive." I get that a lot of people saw Russell Crow in "The Insider" so they feel they have the whole story about this. But the fact that e-cigarettes work on so many levels makes me question not whether or not BT put in those "more addictive" chemicals, but if they actually worked all that well. Two things make me question the efficacy of the "more addictive chemicals":

1) As many, if not more, people quit smoking since the introduction of those "more addictive" chemicals as before.

2) E-cigarette use shows that the "addictive" nature of cigarettes is highly varied and based on different things for different users. How else to explain one smoker being happy with 0mg e-cigarettes, another wanting 12mg, another wanting 36mg and other not finding "something still missing" from the most powerful, high strength nicotine versions so they either still smoke occasionally or supplement with smoke-free tobacco products such as snus?

BT may have TRIED to make them more addictive, but I have to wonder how well that worked. Maybe they are "more addictive" to ANTZ the same way NRT are "safe and effective" to the ANTZ. Who knows?

Since so many smokers are self-medicating for one issue or another it would make sense the addiction is different.
Different people get addicted to different things in spite of science saying what is extremely addictive or not.
Anxiety people tend to not get addicted to Xanax. I've taken it long enough solid to be addicted and way long enough as needed that if there was a physical need I'd have it. I can go months without it. A panic friend was on Xanax daily for years, once she got over the panic issues she instantly dropped them with no withdrawal or convulsions. From what I hear epilepsy people have no problem with addiction to benzos either.

My addiction to nicotine has always tended towards the slight side. It's there but is gone quick. Last time I vaped I cut down to 4mg in a month. The reason I haven't cut down this time is because mornings are rough without it. But later in the day I've gone with 0mg long enough that I should've been having a nic fit and didn't have a problem.

 

[Randyrtx]

The problem I have with the whole addiction thing is that for smoking, a wide range of psychological and physiological factors were considered in equating cigarettes to be as addictive as certain illegal drugs; in particular, the difficulty in quitting smoking with knowledge that smoking was harmful. But, these other factors seem to be completely ignored when claiming that nicotine itself is highly addictive.

Of course, that factored in favorably for NRT products... go figure

 

[Petrodus]

Hah Kristin - well perhaps the addictiveness of [X] depends on
who is funding the person making the statement.

Lot of truth in so few words

 

[rolygate]

I think all these attacks are entirely unjustified. There is nothing wrong with developing brand loyalty.

 

[kwalka]

I think all these attacks are entirely unjustified. There is nothing wrong with developing brand loyalty.

Well its finally happened, Lorillard just bought controlling interest of ECF.
Ready...
Set....
GO!!!!!

 

[TennDave]

Well its finally happened, Lorillard just bought controlling interest of ECF.
Ready...
Set....
GO!!!!!

What????????

 

[NC_Fog]

Well its finally happened, Lorillard just bought controlling interest of ECF.
Ready...
Set....
GO!!!!!

Blasphemy I say!...LOL.