Lost faith in fancy wire

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LikelySplash710

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Three weeks ago I decided I needed to try fused claptons and alien wire builds for my rda's. I invested in buying the goon 1.5 and bought expensive pre-built fused claptons and aliens. I must say that I wasn't too impressed with those compared to my 22G Kanthal builds. I tried multiple coil positions and wicked in so many different ways I must've gone through about 30 cotton pads. I don't like either how the coils retain the heat so much. As far as flavor is concerned yeah they give off decent flavor.

But after getting really fed up with my 8 wrap fused claptons in my goon I decided to make a 9 wrap 22G kanthal build for my goon. The end result is shocking. I feel like I get more flavor now. The ramp up is faster. I think I'm going to step away from fancy coils and stick with my straight wire. Does anyone feel the same?
also all the premade fancy coils I have bought are garbage and burn unevenly. I twist two 28ga kanthal wrap it in 32ga and that seems to be better than my regular claptons and not overwhelming like the fused clapton I have built...
 
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I have tried some fancy coils and imo, no difference . It sounds cool and looks cool, but it's just much of a difference imo. I would bet anyone here that , I would take their tank and make 2 builds, one with a fancy alien clapton hendrix helix coil and the other plain round, both with the same juice and identical tank and have you do a blindfold test and doubt you could tell the difference. But then again maybe you could and I would look like a fool...

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I could tell by ramp time alone, regardless of the vape quality lol.
 

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ss heat flux is relatively the same as kanthal (10watts more for ss to equal kanthal). its the resistance that is much lower drawing more amps from your battery to achieve the same heat flux. it takes double the wattage on ss to reach the same heat flux on kanthal. kanthal has a lower heat capacity compared to ss so will therefore heat up faster than ss.
 
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Heat flux is Watts per surface area and is completly independent of whatever material your wire is.
Yes, heat capacity is what matters if you want to compare ramp up. And yes, of course a SS build will heat faster then a similar Kanthal build on a Mech. But its because you are using double the Watts.
If you want to compare materials, please dont use "Mech logic".
 

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Heat flux is Watts per surface area and is completly independent of whatever material your wire is.
What about a rattan coil?

And yes, of course a SS build will heat faster then a similar Kanthal build on a Mech. But its because you are using double the Watts.
Mine doesn't and I never use a Mech.

Please be reminded that:
1. The "physics of how heat is being generated by electric current" won't change regardless of whether the electric current supply is being or nor being regulated.

2. In labs, if you want to test whether or not heat being generated is affected by "different coil material", you definitely want other factors to remain the same, particularly electric supply. So, a MECH is a better candidate than regulated mod to do the test.

I am not here to condemn you nor argue with you.
I just want to prevent others from being mislead by your so called heat flux + regulated mod fantasy.
 
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2. In labs, if you want to test whether or not heat being generated is affected by "different coil material", you definitely want other factors to remain the same, particularly electric supply. So, a MECH is a better candidate than regulated mod to do the test.

I am not here to condemn you nor argue with you.
I just want to prevent others from being mislead by your so called heat flux + regulated mod fantasy.
Yes, you want the same coil size and the same power, as in Watts. Thats why a Mech is horrible for this as it will fire a SS Coil with double the power compared to a Kanthal one.
This is not "regulated fantasy", its basic Physics.
 

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I've often compared the hobby aspect of vaping to fishing.
You can have an absolutely wonderful experience using cheap, off the shelf hardware, or you can complicate the :censored: out of it, depending on how far you take the custom gear, tying your own flies, etc.
I buy the best hardware I can afford from reputable manufacturers (Smok, Sigelei, Aspire...) but I haven't gotten into the DIY stuff.
Why fix something that already works?
Well....thats a good question. Most likely with many answers. Im doing it because i just like to make stuff with my hands and imagination. Im still new at it but im learning and i do enjoy fixing things that arent broken.
 

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Well....thats a good question. Most likely with many answers. Im doing it because i just like to make stuff with my hands and imagination. Im still new at it but im learning and i do enjoy fixing things that arent broken.

Then by all means go for it. If you're good at weaving you can make some amazingly complex coils that look stunning. Thing is, as amazing as they look, they usually don't vape any better (actually worse in many cases) than simple builds. For me a Clapton or a rare fused Clapton is as complex as I get for actual vaping.

The best part of trying to make lots of different coils is that wire is really cheap and that with some decent swivels you can have some serious fun without dumping a load of money into it (forgot, drill, I like cordless, I imagine you already have one).
 

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ss heat flux is relatively the same as kanthal (10watts more for ss to equal kanthal). its the resistance that is much lower drawing more amps from your battery to achieve the same heat flux. it takes double the wattage on ss to reach the same heat flux on kanthal. kanthal has a lower heat capacity compared to ss so will therefore heat up faster than ss.

Trust me, what you have mentioned is too complicated for a non-physics guy and, remember this is before you touch the subject of SS resistance rises in the heating process much more drastically compare to Kanthal but even so, a SS coil resistance is still lower than the resistance of similar Kanthal coil at any given temperature...:facepalm:
 
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Which wire retains heat for longer for example after a puff, ss or kanthal?

According to this nice explanation:

ss heat flux is relatively the same as kanthal (10watts more for ss to equal kanthal). its the resistance that is much lower drawing more amps from your battery to achieve the same heat flux. it takes double the wattage on ss to reach the same heat flux on kanthal. kanthal has a lower heat capacity compared to ss so will therefore heat up faster than ss.

ss is the answer.
 

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Well....thats a good question. Most likely with many answers. Im doing it because i just like to make stuff with my hands and imagination. Im still new at it but im learning and i do enjoy fixing things that arent broken.

"i do enjoy fixing things that arent broken." My wife accuses me of doing that all the time. Now she threatens to call a handyman who can repair what I "fixed".
 
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